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Jebbas
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Pinning before 100% colonization
#8443432 - 05/25/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi all -
I have 5 1 pint jars that are at about 85% percent colonization that are already showing pins in the jar...(used pf tek) what the hell is going on? Its been about three weeks since I inoculated the jars...Ive been keeping the jar at about 79F and around 85% humidity for the most part. I suspect some air got into the jars through the inoculation holes(?). This is my first grow. What can I do at this point? Can the cakes still be birthed? or should I just stick the jars into a terrarium and give the pins room to grow?
Thanks in advance
Edited by Jebbas (05/25/08 12:40 PM)
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: Jebbas]
#8443437 - 05/25/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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The cakes are fine. Just let them colonize. That is all you can do. You might need to pull them off before the dunk, but other than that everything is ok. It happens all the time.
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: HoleSnype]
#8443468 - 05/25/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks...should I cover the holes? I peeked into one of the jars and the substrate on top seems dry. maybe that's the reason the jar isn't colonizing 100%.
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: HoleSnype]
#8443469 - 05/25/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm guessing they are colonizing pretty slow. There really isn't anything you can do at this point. I would let them finish, but be sure not to let them dry out. If you plan to 'drunk and roll' don't do it with pins on the cake. First take the pins off, and then dunk; Or just let the first flush finish take everything off, and then dunk for the 2nd flush. Good luck man!
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: Jebbas]
#8443482 - 05/25/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jebbas said: thanks...should I cover the holes? I peeked into one of the jars and the substrate on top seems dry. maybe that's the reason the jar isn't colonizing 100%.
Don't cover the inoculation holes. They need air exchange. You do have a top layer of verm right? It is supposed to be dry.
BTW, do not do any more peeking. Do NOT take the lids off of the jars. Just put them up, and let them ride it out. They should be fine.
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: HoleSnype]
#8443487 - 05/25/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you have a dry layer of verm, you need to take that tape off, especially if it is masking tape, which is what it looks like. You shouldn't need the tape bro.
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: HoleSnype]
#8443499 - 05/25/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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One more thing, you aren't waiting for the top of those jars to colonize are you? If you have a dry verm layer, it won't colonize. Those jars look done to me, but I would have to know when they were all white on the outside to make that call.
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: HoleSnype]
#8443523 - 05/25/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, he's right. I couldn't get the pictures to load until just now. It looks to me that those cakes would be perfectly fine to come out now, and to birth. If any of the substrate isn't done colonizing don't do it, but if it is, and you're waiting on the verm. to colonize...It won't happen. You have to make that call.
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: MHbound]
#8443537 - 05/25/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the future, keep up with the cakes. Take note when they are 90% (the entire outside of the cake is white, with the exception of the dry verm up top) and then wait a week after that. Then they are ready. I am not sure if yours are, but they look like it. If you want to be safe, which is recommended, wait 2 or 3 more days and then birth. It won't hurt anything. You are going to dunk the cake right?
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: MHbound]
#8443861 - 05/25/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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how would I make sure they don't dry out?
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: Jebbas]
#8443889 - 05/25/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Early pinning is probably from letting too much light get to them before full colonization not too much air exchange. be patient next time and dont peek at them so much they'll grow faster
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: Jebbas]
#8443912 - 05/25/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the advice, especially holesynpe. The bottom of the jars still have a little verm mix peeking out so the jars aren't 100%. I'm planning on dunking them next sunday..I forgot I put dry verm on top!
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: Jebbas]
#8444008 - 05/25/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll be honest I don't even know why I said that. I've just found that the slower they colonize it either means A.) They are drying out, or B.) They are too hydrated, but they look fine. I was posting to two differnt grows at once. Still I would dunk the cakes. Good luck!
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: MHbound]
#8444097 - 05/25/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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They don't pin in captivity unless they're fully colonized, which those jars are.(sometimes what looks like uncolonized parts are actually colonized with contaminants) Birth, then dunk and roll. Usually the pins don't abort, but if they do, more will follow.
As Holesnype said, the dry verm isn't supposed to colonize.
Next time, use 1/2 pints, because they perform better. If you want larger cakes, stack them after birthing. RR
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8444504 - 05/25/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think the jars are completely colonized yet...the bottoms are not white like the rest of the jar. (see pics) It's been exactly four weeks since inoculation today and I'm dying to birth these things. I have three healthy colonized jars, but the rest are pretty crappy. It's almost as if the mycellium stopped growing in some.
Rogerrabbit: does it look like they are contaminated in those areas? They just look like vermiculite to me (sorry my camera is really shitty and doesn't capture any detail)
Here is a pic of the bottom of two of the jars (all of the jars look similar to this):
the shi*ty colonized ones:
the healthy jars:
I'm afraid if I dunk and roll some of these things they will fall apart! I couldn't find any 1/2 pint jars so that's the only reason I got the 1 pint ones. What's your all opinion on my next step?
One more Q: After I dunk and roll the cakes and lay them out, does light exposure to the growing mushrooms affect them at all?
thanks for the good luck
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: Jebbas]
#8444513 - 05/25/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am not a fan of this, but it looks like you need to flip them over and free the myc up so it can colonize the bottoms. That is another problem with 1 pint jars. It is hard to get innoculant down to the bottom.
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: HoleSnype]
#8444676 - 05/25/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea. Do what HoleSnype said. I think it will be fine actually...Another few days, and you'll be ready to rock. It can take a 1pint jar anywhere from 2-4 weeks, and even longer to colonize. Reason for this is exactly what HoleSnype said, "its hard to inoculate the bottom".
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: MHbound]
#8444893 - 05/25/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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It can't be determined from a blurry picture, but if the uncolonized areas have a 'greasy' look, they're contaminated with bacteria. If not, try flipping them for the last few days. Once flipped, I wouldn't turn then over again until you're ready to birth. Flipping jars messes up the verm filter, and then when you turn it back right side up, contaminants can get to the cake. You can order 1/2 pint mason jars online. Perhaps the reason they pinned is because what's on the bottom is packed too tight, or there's no air down there, etc., thus it appears to the mycleium to be full colonization.
They won't fall apart when you dunk and roll. I've played 'catch' with cakes, thrown them against the wall(they bounce well) and dropped one in the sink by accident while filming my video, and didn't even edit that part out. Of course, I did edit the sound, because I said fuck. Fully colonized cakes are pretty darn tough. RR
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8444917 - 05/25/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mr rabbit...i cant imagine you saying the word "fuck"..i have seen you say shit in a couple of threads.....but fuck!!! oh my....lol
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: rugergirl79]
#8444949 - 05/25/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Really? You ever seen his video? Because when he's patting himself on the back (and well deserved!) after his grain preparation section I could have totally seen a "Fuck everybody else !" coming next
I didn't watch the cake sections of the videos, so I might have to now
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: Jadian]
#8444969 - 05/25/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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i have only watched parts of the vids....i am going to save some money up and after i pay rent, insurance, power, and my phone bill i plan on purchasing the vid. sounds like it has much more to offer than education...i love a good comedy.
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Jebbas
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Re: Pinning before 100% colonization [Re: rugergirl79]
#8446757 - 05/26/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks for the advice Rogerrabbit..I flipped them this evening so hopefully by next week I can start the dunking and rolling.
you should have kept that part of the video! haha
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