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The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way
    #8117657 - 03/07/08 10:44 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

So the number of people supplying LSD has remained a low number in the US, estimated to be a group of only 12 elite individuals who have learned it from being personally taught and instructed in the lab by the chemists who came before them.

But that is not how it should be, and its getting easier to make LSD now that more research has been done.

The easy method uses lysergic acid obtained by converting LSA from seeds to the pure acid form. Then you obtain the diethylamine from OFF bug repelant which contains a high amount of DEET. By distilling with sodium hydroxide, the DEET breaks down and diethylamine can be fractionally distilled to seperate it from the water and other chemicals.

But to get the lyseric acid and the deithylamine together, the fast easy way is hydrazine. This is a very poisonous solvent and we need it in anhydrous form (no water) and its unstable in that form. Luckily, we dont need much at all, only twice as much as the lysergic acid. But then it needs to be heated to just below its boiling point 112C (bp: 115C) which is very dangerous.

Anyway, the hydrazine is whats been so hard to get, but now there is a simple way using bleach and urea (fertilizer):

by oxidation of carbamide (urea) with sodium hypochlorite:

(H2N)2C=O + NaOCl + 2NaOH → N2H4 + H2O + NaCl + Na2CO3

As you can see, the byproducts of the reaction are water, salt, and sodium carbonate, and of course, the wondrous hydrazine (N2H4).

But when this reaction occurs, does the hydrazine form as a gas that needs to be condensed? Or it is simly mixed in with the solution and needs to be distilled or concentrated?

And then after that it needs to be made anhydrous which is a little tricky.

But nevertheless, the path to LSD is laid out clearly and its only a matter of time before everyone is using this simple way to make the hydrazine and they can't take bleach or urea off the shelves. They might make OFF bug spray use a new chemical in their product, but I doubt it since its the best chemical for bug repellant that works.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8117697 - 03/07/08 10:55 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know enough to know if this works, but if it does, that'd be pretty insane.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #8117769 - 03/07/08 11:21 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Wheredouwant2go,

It seems like it should be easier to make.
The problem is, there is no step-by-step pictoral tek online that makes the use of easily obtainable chemicals, like those that you speak of here.

One of the ways that meth started being produced was the advent of the internet and step-by-step cooking tutorials with pictures.

You wont see LSD gain in supply until such happens.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: supernovasky]
    #8117784 - 03/07/08 11:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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supernovasky said:
Wheredouwant2go,

It seems like it should be easier to make.
The problem is, there is no step-by-step pictoral tek online that makes the use of easily obtainable chemicals, like those that you speak of here.

One of the ways that meth started being produced was the advent of the internet and step-by-step cooking tutorials with pictures.

You wont see LSD gain in supply until such happens.




We're waiting :mad2:

















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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #8117826 - 03/07/08 11:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

To know if what works? The synth of LSD or the production of hydrazine? The hydrazine method is from:
http://chemindustry.ru/Hydrazine.php

It works, but now it's just a matter of ironing out the details.

And then once pure hydrazine is finnally obtained, it's a dangerous game to find out how to store it properly and how to use it without it exploding. Since you will need only a small amount (a few ml) the explosion itself isn't what will do the harm -- it's the poisonous nature of the chemical that is such a hazard. It just blows my mind that you can mix bleach with urea (which is in your urine) and produce something so deadly.

But this was the only remaining chemical that was unavailable to the general public, and now we can make it with bleach and piss if we have to....lol

It would take a long time to test different ways of doing these reactions just to get the primary chemicals, and then it would take many trial and errors to synthize the LSD.

Converting LSA to lysergic acid is a little bit of a pain, but there is a method that uses LSA as the starting material:

PREPARATORY: obtain one red and one yellow photographic safety light and one weak, long-wave ultraviolet light. These are used to prevent the hydrolysis of lysergic acid compounds.
NOTE: Aluminum foil must be used to cover the chemicals when light is present. Rubber gloves must be worn; these compounds are extremely poisonous. Be careful with the foil around oxidizers like sodium nitrate. It can catch fire.


USING YELLOW LIGHT:

First the LSA tatrate salt is made back into a freebase form. To do that, water is added to the salt until it's all dissolved. Now ammonia is stirred into to the solution until the pH is 9. Ethyl Ether is then added in a ratio of 50ml Ether for each gram of LSA that was used. After the mixture is shaken for a few minutes the layers are allowed to separate. The top Ether layer can then be poured/decanted off and evaporated using a brushless fan (the kind used in computers, sold at Radio Shack) instead of heat. Normal fans create sparks which could ignite the Ether fumes. The LSA freebase must then be worked with immediately since it will begin to break down.

Now one volume of the LSA is placed in a small test tube or micro flask. 2 volumes of anhydrous hydrazine are added and the tube is sealed and heated at 112°C (234°F) for 30 minutes. (This will be about 2ml LSA and 4ml hydrazine).

After heating/refluxing, add 1.5 volumes of water to the mixture and boil gently for 15 minutes. After boiling is complete, cool the mixture in a refrigerator until solidification. The solid material obtained is iso-lysergic acid hydrazide.

USING RED LIGHT:

Chill all chemicals (reagents) to be used to 0 Celsius (32°F). Place an open flask in an ice bath. Add 100 ml hydrochloric acid (chilled to 0°C also). (not sure what strenght the acid should be....normal 30% seems ridiculous and would probably destroy everything)

Quickly add 2.82 g of the lysergic acid hydrazide to the hydrochloric acid, being careful to maintain a temperature of 0 Celsius.

Add 100 ml of a 0.1N (1/10th Normal) solution of sodium nitrite (chilled to 0°C) and stir vigorously for 3 minutes. (Sodium nitrate + hydrochloric acid = Aqua Regia wich is a hell of an acid)

Continue stirring at 0 Celsius and add dropwise 130 ml of the hydrochloric acid (not sure about this -- where did this other acid come from and why is it being added now?). When the acid addition is complete, continue stirring for 5 minutes, then neutralize the solution with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), using a saturated water solution of the bicarbonate. This will take a LOT of baking soda solution.

Add 300ml of Ether and shake up the mixture for a few minutes, then let the layers separate and pour off the Ether and save it. Then remove the water layer, and dissolve the gummy substance which remains on the bottom in Ether. Add this to the other Ether you saved. Remember that your Ether should be 0°C (-15°F which is made possible by adding salt to the ice).

Add 3 g of Diethylamine for every 30 ml of the ether extract. Let this stand in the dark, and gradually warm up to 20°C (68°F -- room temperature) for at least 24 hours, then evaporate this solution without using heat. (This part seems a little too easy -- the Hofmann synth says you need to heat the diethylamine and the LSD (or whatever chemical it is at this point) together in a 'bomb' which will create high pressure).

The material remaining is a mixture of the inactive iso-lysergic acid diethylamide and the active lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD-25). The inactive isomer must now be converted (isomerized) to the active isomer to greatly increase the yield, since the inactive compound predominates in this synthesis.

So just that easy, you have made LSD, but only a small fraction of your material is LSD at this point and it would be a waste to consume it as is. But if you are impatient, or just too lazy, you can make your LSD into a tartrate salt at this point just like you did with the raw LSA extract and consume it. But you will have no way of knowing what the dose will be since you don't know how much of your product is active LSD-25 and how much is the inactive isomer. So do yourself and the community a favor and continue on with your journey to the next page. It's not that hard and will give you a much higher yield.

B) Isomerization of the inactive iso-LSD into the active LSD-25

USING THE RED LIGHT:

Dissolve the synthesized material into the minimum amount of ethyl alcohol. Mix a 4N solution of potassium hydroxide in ethanol. The amount of solution needed is twice the volume of the iso-LSD/ethanol solution.

Add the two solutions together and let the mixture sit for 4 hours at room temperature (about 70°F).

Neutralize the mixture with dilute hydrochloric acid, then make it slightly basic with ammonium hydroxide.

Add 50ml of Ether for every gram of your material (when it was still in dry form at the end of process A) and shake the container for a few minutes. When the layers separate, take off the Ether layer and put it on 25% of it's volume of water and shake again. Then take it off a repeat the washes with new water 3 more times.

Evaporate the Ether without using heat. The material left after evaporation is a mixture of iso-LSD and LSD-25, the active LSD predominating this time.

The mixture may now be separated by chromatography and the iso-LSD again isomerized by the above process, but this is where most people have no chemistry experience so they just leave the inactive iso-LSD in the product.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8117918 - 03/08/08 12:12 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

What I find frustrating and ammusing, is how so many people here claim to be chemists, yet nobody can explain these steps further.

If I was a chemists, I would read these steps and then expand on them and explain details of what needs to be done. For example, when it says "Now one volume of the LSA is placed in a small test tube or micro flask. 2 volumes of anhydrous hydrazine are added and the tube is sealed and heated at 112°C (234°F) for 30 minutes."

How do you seal up the test tube so no pressure can blow off the stopper? Can a little vial with screw top be used instead? How much pressure would build up inside?

Then in the next step, it says use .1N solution of sodium nitrate. Well this can easily made by getting the ammonium nitrate from Instant Cold packs at your local corner pharmacy. You simply mix the ammonium nitrate with water, then add some common table salt, and the nitrogen and chloride trade places so you have ammonium chloride and sodium nitrate. Compelte details on amounts can be easily found on google. But how much sodium nitrate should be added to water to make a .1N solution?


And when it says "Continue stirring at 0 Celsius and add dropwise 130 ml of the hydrochloric acid " isn't there a machine that does this automatically? And should the flask be closed during this? Does keeping the temperature at zero celcius prevent the acid from fuming and slow it's reaction?

Come on chemists, help us out here. You say you want to see LSD everywhere and it's God's gift to humanity (like the Philosopher's Stone of entheogens) but you refuse to explain the procedures to us more clearly. Are you really gonna let people put all these chemicals together without even giving them all the help you can in describing the process?

It use to be that the precursors and chemicals were what held people back from making LSD, but now we have all we need, and the only thing holding up production is the chemists! The fact you know chemistry well enough to understand the process, and the fact you are here on this forum, and the fact the precursors became available by sheer coincidence (or divine intervention)...that should all be telling you to HELP US OUT!

This can be made very easy, and the dangers can be cut down to a bare minimum, but we can't do it without some tips and advice on how to physically perform what is written.

The chemists always say you need to go take a college chemistry class before making LSD, but take a look at the above process and be real for a moment and level with me -- it doesn't actually take any advanced knowledge of chemistry to perform the experiment -- it just takes a smart person who is carefull and lucky to physically carry out the steps without harming himself in the process. We don't need to understand what is chemically happening in the process to be able to perform it. And besides, we DO know what is chemically happening because that's all anyone talks about, and that's all we read about. What we need is not another chemistry lesson...that has been exhuasted to death...what we need is a simple explanation of how to physically perform the simple steps written in this process.

It's like if someone asked me to teach them paint, and I kept saying "we'll you first need to understand how paint is made, and then take years of art classes"...but instead I could just tell them how to *use* the paint.

We don't need a lesson on how chemistry works -- we need a lesson on how to use the chemicals we now can obtain.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: supernovasky]
    #8117953 - 03/08/08 12:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

supernovasky said:
Wheredouwant2go,

It seems like it should be easier to make.
The problem is, there is no step-by-step pictoral tek online that makes the use of easily obtainable chemicals, like those that you speak of here.

One of the ways that meth started being produced was the advent of the internet and step-by-step cooking tutorials with pictures.

You wont see LSD gain in supply until such happens.




When did you see photos of how to make meth? And that's a terrible example because that's a trash drug like crack and shouldn't be spoken of in the same room with LSD.

I think DMT would be a much better analogy. People have posted lots of photos of that and developed simple fast teks at DMT-NEXUS.com (even I had very close-up beautiful photos of crystals on there, and my LSA extraction book is on there in the files section).

But taking photos of LSD is a dangerous thing to play with since it's so illegal. DMT is technically just as illegal, but it's not popular enough to warrant any man hours spent searching for people making it.

And with the LSD synth, there isn't much to take pics of. Tiny little bottles of clear liquid mostly.

But if we expand this one tek for making LSD and put in more details, we can all work together to make it perfect. It all seems so simple, but we need tips and tricks on how to perform each step perfectly. And then it will become refined enough for almost anyone to try, and LSD will come bursting out on the seen again.

I think it's ironic that you can make such a massive amount of LSD hit wise, and yet it only takes a small amount of material, so the profit is almost like making gold. It costs so little to make millions of dollars worth. The irony is that the price per hit has to be so low, and you would have to sell to millions of people, which you never could do without already having connections. But that's what is so crazy -- you only have to make it once and then you have millions of doses. You don't need a continuous lab production going on -- just one fine day then paradise for the rest of your life. That's another way it parallels the Philosopher's Stone. And it does turn your mind from lead to gold, and make you see visions just like on church windows and cathedrals.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8117972 - 03/08/08 12:38 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Here's a link to an explosion that occured when a tank previous holding urea was filled with sodium hypochlorite:

http://chemaxx.com/explosion16b.htm

It seems that the ratio of urea to bleach is very important to get right -- when a little urea is added to the bleach, a vigourous reaction occurs and apparently produces nitrogen trichloride. But that is not what is show in the encyclopedia. It shows only water, salt, sodium carbonate, and hydrazine as the byproducts. So there must be a tricky method of doind this right.



Edited by WhereDoUwant2go (03/08/08 12:44 AM)


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8117993 - 03/08/08 12:48 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Could you give a link to the LSA extraction, I can't find it on Dmt-nexus

I agree with you whole heartedly, there could be a massive, and I mean MASSIVE, increase in LSD production if this process could be refined, and put into video form.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8117996 - 03/08/08 12:50 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well you might find more chemists in the pharmacology forum...

The problem is that none of the knowledgeable people who could do this actually try it. There are teks all over the f'in internet for extracting LSA but there has been jack squat for actually realizing the best method.... this (to me) points to ---> lazy chemists or lots of people who talk like they know, but really don't; which is more abundant?


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: fazdazzle]
    #8118047 - 03/08/08 01:07 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I am going to be checking back to this thread.
Very good find, very interesting.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: bryguy27007]
    #8118243 - 03/08/08 01:57 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for the effort of putting out the information and asking for some help. I have read a couple of similar threads recently , and I know there are some knowledgeable members with a chemist background, maybe they will be so kind to answer some of your questions.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8118295 - 03/08/08 02:16 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

first off i will say that anyone who is interested in how lsd is made or making it should get a copy of uncle fester's "practical lsd manufacture". The author has a very good understanding of lyergic acid chemistry as a whole. This book makes many essential concepts of the procedure very easy to understand if you have some basic knowledge of chemistry.


"How do you seal up the test tube so no pressure can blow off the stopper? Can a little vial with screw top be used instead?"
-I'm not sure about how you would seal a test tube to heat it, mabye just tape the stopper with para-film or something.

"But how much sodium nitrate should be added to water to make a .1N solution?"
-A .1N solution is like a .1M solution, but normality(N) takes into account compounds with mulitple functionalities. A 1M H2SO4 solution is 2N because it has two acidic protons. A .1M solution of sodium nitrate has .1 mole of each sodium ion and nitrate ion in it, in this case a .1N solution is the same as .1M solution. A .1N NaNO3 solution is made by weighing out .1 mole of NaNO3 and mixing into water to make one liter.

"And when it says "Continue stirring at 0 Celsius and add dropwise 130 ml of the hydrochloric acid " isn't there a machine that does this automatically?"
-Most heating plates are equipped with magnetic stirrers and a seperatory funnel can be used to add drop-wise.

"Does keeping the temperature at zero celcius prevent the acid from fuming and slow it's reaction?"
-Maybe to keep the whole thing from boiling over, im not sure.


I've taken a year of college-level general chem plus a year of organic chemistry and most procedures for lsd i've read still have some vague directions, generally because the author didn't have a full understanding either(except for uncle fester!).

"The chemists always say you need to go take a college chemistry class before making LSD, but take a look at the above process and be real for a moment and level with me -- it doesn't actually take any advanced knowledge of chemistry to perform the experiment -- it just takes a smart person who is carefull and lucky to physically carry out the steps without harming himself in the process. We don't need to understand what is chemically happening in the process to be able to perform it. And besides, we DO know what is chemically happening because that's all anyone talks about, and that's all we read about. What we need is not another chemistry lesson...that has been exhuasted to death...what we need is a simple explanation of how to physically perform the simple steps written in this process. "
-You dont need to own a bakery or even be baker to make some bread, just follow the recipe, right?. Things are a bit different with chemistry when your dealing with explosive/deadly chemicals or a product that breaks down so easily. Luck should have nothing to do with not harming yourself during the process, you should have proper lab technique and confidence in what you are doing so you dont make a stupid simple mistake. What someone interested in this process does need is a chemistry lesson (college level general chem, preferably organic chem too) and then all those confusing directions and concepts become magicaly easier to understand. Some things are hard to understand even with research, organic chemistry lab classes make alot of the concepts behind lsd manufacture quite clear.

The reason the chemists always say you need a background in chemistry to make acid is because if you understand why your doing what your doing you are much more likely to create a more pure product without the risk of killing yourself or others!


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: supernovasky]
    #8118714 - 03/08/08 05:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

supernovasky said:
Wheredouwant2go,

It seems like it should be easier to make.
The problem is, there is no step-by-step pictoral tek online that makes the use of easily obtainable chemicals, like those that you speak of here.

One of the ways that meth started being produced was the advent of the internet and step-by-step cooking tutorials with pictures.

You wont see LSD gain in supply until such happens.




Who wants to see the type of "chemists" that make meth refining LSA into LSD? The above tek sounds straightfoward enough. You just need hydrazine (which is not too hard to find, it's just a controlled substance) and an accurate heat source.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8119208 - 03/08/08 11:20 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting, I go to college in August and I plan on taking chemistry to get a better understanding. I know for sure if their was a very straight-forward tek that tells you everything you need to know it would give me a lot more motivation to produce this fine chemical. I'll check out Uncle Fester's but I heard that he leaves out some steps, and I don't know if this is true but I also heard he never even made LSD in the first place. Is that true?


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: Topcorn]
    #8119419 - 03/08/08 12:54 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

1 N sodium nitrate should be one molar, not .5, to my reckonnig. Remember, its a zwiterion w/ a positive N.


And about the sealed vessel w/ the hydrazine... I would imagine they mean put a stopper on the test tube and heat like stated. What else could they mean? I'd also be concerned w/ the top blowing off, however, but who knows. I'd think it better to just use an inert, dry atmosphere w/ a drying tube on a condensor, or something similar. I guess w/ the micro scale they figure unnecessary, and can just use a test tube...

to the guy w/ the questions, just ask man, someone will throw in their perspective


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: johnm214]
    #8119844 - 03/08/08 03:29 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

So, who's going to be the first to whip up a batch?


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: the free thinker]
    #8120339 - 03/08/08 06:17 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Well I found the complete detailed instructions on how to make hydrozine with urea and bleach. If you just mix the two chemicals together, you get nitrogen trichloride and the heat from the exothermic reaction ignites that sensitive explosive.

But if you chill the sodium hypochlorite, then add sodium hydroxide, then chill again, you can mix it with the urea. Which is what I expected would need to be done since chilling the ingredients is always the answer when it comes to LSD teks.

Here is the complete process:
http://designer-drugs.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/hydrazine.sulfate.html

What's also wonderful is that you can freebase the hydrazine sulfate into methanol to keep it anhydrous. The tek uses massive amounts of ingredients for some reason and is therefor considerable deadly if things go wrong. You only need a few ml of the hydrazine, so everything in the tek can be cut down by at least 100 fold I'm sure.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8120360 - 03/08/08 06:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

If anyone is considering doing this, I strongly reccomend you build yourself a big plexiglass chamber with rubber gloves attached and a fume hood. This way you can synthesize the precursor chemicals without getting exposed, and also carry out the LSD synthesis without the danger of harming yourself if the test tube stopper blows off and sprays chemicals everywhere. And of course, you might simply spill something toxic and the box is perfect for containing and evaporating the chemicals.

I'd say the box is an essential tool for this experiment. Especially since it's gonna take a lot of trail and error to find out how to work with these chems before anyone gets it right, since we have no chemists helping us out.


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Re: The final key : Making hydrazine the easy way [Re: WhereDoUwant2go]
    #8120379 - 03/08/08 06:29 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I just thought about it --- how ironic is it that chemists here are so stuck on an ego trip and think they are the stars of the show and we all gravel at their feet, just because they took some chemistry class. They keeping telling us to be like them and take chemistry classes, and they get off on feeling like they are better and smarter than use, neither of which is the case...lol

I thought LSD taught people to take away the ego? Yet these chemists are stuck on a permenant ego trip. Why are they here if they have no intention of helping anyone? Just to feel special, that's why...lol...I think they need to go get some acid and loose there self centered personalities again


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