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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: thedudenj]
    #8648090 - 07/17/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

opinions anyone?  would be much appreciated. thanks.

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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: ggpr]
    #9514153 - 12/29/08 07:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry for reviving this thread, but I'm quite confused on how to do a multiple pulls after straining it for the first time. Do I strain the mixture and just leave it in the dish till it dries out and use the dried substance and put it in alcohol again? Or do I keep straining that same liquid until it clears up? How is it that you were able to do more pulls in the period of a few days?

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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: nsxviper]
    #9515251 - 12/29/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

your supposed to pour off the alcohol after letting it settle and leave the cactus mesh behind, and pour fresh alcohol back into the mesh... basically making like a cactus tea


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: SurReality]
    #9515470 - 12/29/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense now.

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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: nsxviper]
    #11611167 - 12/08/09 05:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

fantastic! cant wait to try this


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: indica]
    #11824858 - 01/13/10 08:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

why is it just the cactus skin that is used? is the flesh not any good i know the wooden core can be discarded but what of the light green sof flesh beneath the skin?


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: wal0013]
    #11825046 - 01/13/10 08:56 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Use the green fleshy layer in between skin and core.


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: Psy Baba]
    #11825135 - 01/13/10 09:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

well, the posts back up, so let me ask this. mix the alcohol and powder, shake every few hours. after about 12 hours, strain the mix through a tshirt. keep the leftover liquid and throw away cactus gunk.

then add MORE alcohol to the leftover liquid and strain again later? what exactly is a pull? sorry im making this more complicated than it is.


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: smokin427]
    #11825991 - 01/13/10 11:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Keep the sludge, add more alcohol 3 times.  then discard sludge.


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: Psy Baba]
    #11830057 - 01/14/10 05:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

roughly how pure is the tar like residue at the end does it have any of the other alkaloids present in the cactus say i wanted a 300mg dosse of mescaline roughly how much in weight of tar should i consume?


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: wal0013]
    #11830275 - 01/14/10 06:05 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Please, actually read the post before asking redundant questions.


"Mescaline dose chart is as fallows

Threshold 100 mg
Light 100 - 200 mg
Common 200 - 300 mg
Strong 300 - 500 mg
Heavy 500 - 700 mg

Assuming you are working with Peruvian Torch:

300mg = 15-100g dry material

As you can see the potency of cactus varies HIGHLY, so be careful and use your head.'


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: Psy Baba]
    #11843144 - 01/16/10 06:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

yes i read that and the rest of the posts but i was under the impression that that was a dose chart for pure mescaline, my question was how pure is the tar so as i can establish how much mescaline i am consuming, obviusly it would vary to a degree but a rough estimate was all i was after.  how much of the tar do you normally consume as a dose?


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: wal0013]
    #11843263 - 01/16/10 07:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

that is the hard part.  The more crude the extraction the harder it is to know dosage.  Cactus is the worst for this, but is is a very forgiving substance.

the batch that I did seemed pretty weak, and (it has been years since I made this) to my memory, it was about the same intensity/dosage as mushrooms.

I Remember putting around 2.5g into 00 caps, and it feeling around the same intensity as taking 2.5g of mushrooms (of course with a very different trip)


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: Psy Baba]
    #11843593 - 01/16/10 08:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

my most recent ones have been strong expect for one someone else made with the same material i use they have shitty vibes thus a shitty batch


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: thedudenj]
    #11843709 - 01/16/10 08:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

so basically i have to just try it and see i guess i could do a rough estimation based on the amoutn of cactus i used, i was wondering if someone were to go about boiling 1 meter or so of cactus finely blended in about 5 litres of water altogether (after about 4 or so seperate boils) then strained all the fluid through a cotton towel and boiled it down until it was dry what would be left, would it be similar to the isopropyl alcohol extraction? or would it be better or worse? i have done this because i accidentally boiled the fluid down too much because i forgot about it for a while theres a lot of kind of tar like stuff that is dark green and tastes like crap will this have enough mescaline to have an effect?


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: wal0013]
    #11900510 - 01/25/10 06:58 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

does the cactus flesh have to be dry if its mostly dry will that be ok? also i take it that the powdered dry flesh makes it easier and quicker for the alcohol to take up all the mescaline if i have slightly damp cactus flesh and cut it up fairly small how long should i leave it for? i just find that drying takes a long time sometimes and if i can avoid the drying step then it will be a lot easier, also if one were to leave the dark green skin on the flesh would the nausea causing  alkaloids in the skin also be soaked up? sorry for all the questions great tek tho thanks


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #12527070 - 05/08/10 12:35 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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DuNeRaVeR said:
Well, If I started with 200g material.  And ended up with about 4.8g, than split into 4 would be 1.2g a dose. 


Ethanol would work just as well, but it is more spendy, and leaves you with tar instead of flaky substance.



ur trip didnt go 2 heavy dont u need to triple ur dose!




he probably needed to do a couple more pulls. you will need to do at least 3-4 pulls to get the alcohol pouring off clear instead of green and get ALL of the alkaloids. also some of the later pulls will need more than just 12 hours to pull the alkies out.
5 grams of extract from 200grams of cacti is a bit low. it should be more like 10-14 grams of tar extract.





yeah ill totally agree im now keeping a record of my weights

1st batch was 65g cactus= 10g tar 2nd batch 65g cactus= 8g tar 3rd batch 65g cactus = 14g doing only 2 pulls

when doing a combined 3rd pull from 3 batches remains the tar was 6g averaging that the average 3rd pull only pulls 2g.

since most ppl find half of a 65g dose of tar sufficient made from 2 pulls i dont bother to add that third pull i use it as a single dose. or add to a dose being split by 3 ppl or 2ppl that want it really strong

this is my first time using a differnt source and im using pedro rather then P torch some im eager to see the difference


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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: ggpr]
    #13209690 - 09/17/10 01:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to know how most of you prefer to pulverize your chips.
just take a stone and..?

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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: Psy Baba]
    #15039788 - 09/06/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I see this is an old post. Is there any tweeks to this or is this extraction method still the best simple extraction?

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Re: DuNeRaVeR's P. Torch/San Pedro Extraction Tek [Re: Psy Baba]
    #15272129 - 10/24/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice.

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