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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7843674 - 01/07/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as water goes I think the purest natural water is the best. How I think of it is related to brewing tea, where the ideal water comes from a flowing mountain stream. Tea only tastes as good as the water it is used to brew with...which I assume can be extrapolated to mead & other drinks. Various beers around the world have their unique characteristics based on the distinct local water supply.
So from the options that most people in the US have, well water might be your best bet, as makiaveli mentioned.
What is this nonsense of tap water being more "nutritious" than filtered water? I've heard that before and I was like wtf he is a crackpot. Does anyone know if this is true at all? All I know is my tastebuds despise tap water and I don't want any of that sewage in my brew. I guess you all might have better and cleaner tap water than me. In any case I thought filtering, typically through reverse osmosis, removes, for the most part, the baddies like chlorine & fluorine?
Many bottled waters are actually filtered water from municipal water supplies, so I can't imagine that would help, unless you're using fiji, but that's gonna bump your nectar up to about $5 a shot.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: fazdazzle]
#7843835 - 01/07/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol $5 a shot
the way ive always heard it, it was well water that was more nutritious
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: fazdazzle]
#7847074 - 01/08/08 08:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"What is this nonsense of tap water being more "nutritious" than filtered water? I've heard that before and I was like wtf he is a crackpot."
The minerals in tap water are good for you. Drinking demineralized water is less healthy.
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All I know is my tastebuds despise tap water and I don't want any of that sewage in my brew.
That depends on your area's tap water. Where I live the local tapwater truly is mineral water and it's even sold in bottles as such. It's delicious.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: Asante]
#7849443 - 01/08/08 06:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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being repulsed by the taste of tap water can range from your areas tap water to the fact that you have a "mineral deficiency"
having particularly mineral deficiencies can cause some minerals to taste bad.
so your tap water is "sewage" to you? do u eat healthy and drink lots of water regularly? do you consume a lot of sugar?
ive tasted some bad city water before, straight from the tap, and ive tasted some that was good. but when i was younger i was not into drinking water, i would kill 24packs of sprite in a few days and that was my liquid intake. whenever i drank ANY water, even right out of the bottle, it tasted horrible. i would nearly gag unless it had sugar in it or something. juice was probably the closest thing to water i could consume.
eventually i made it to a very smart chiropractor, this guy was psychedelically amazing and i learned more about my body, pressure points, and my health that i never knew existed. did u know certain pressure points effect certain internal organs of yours? i was having kidney and liver troubles at one time and he straightened/realigned my hip and the problems went away. he told me i was gagging on water because i wasnt getting enough of a certain mineral, and he gave me a few bottles of magnesium or something like that (i cant remember exactly) and water all of a sudden tasted fine after a few days. weird huh? mineral deficiencies can change how u perceive the taste of water.
a lot of bottled waters and these days are loaded with particular minerals that tap contains to enhance the taste, but when u have an over-amount of one kind or a loss of one kind, its creating a different taste. the same thing goes for various tap water which may be overloaded or under-supplied in various minerals, though this may be natural.
if it tastes good, add it to your brew, if it doesn't, you can supplement with a tasty bottled "spring" water instead, which also has various minerals.
the minerals contained in spring and tap water are essential in your brew, otherwise your looking at stuck fermentation, ive made this mistake in the past using distilled water thinking that tap would contaminate my brew.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7851832 - 01/09/08 01:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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eyefyndum said: being repulsed by the taste of tap water can range from your areas tap water to the fact that you have a "mineral deficiency"
having particularly mineral deficiencies can cause some minerals to taste bad.
so your tap water is "sewage" to you? do u eat healthy and drink lots of water regularly? do you consume a lot of sugar?
ive tasted some bad city water before, straight from the tap, and ive tasted some that was good. but when i was younger i was not into drinking water, i would kill 24packs of sprite in a few days and that was my liquid intake. whenever i drank ANY water, even right out of the bottle, it tasted horrible. i would nearly gag unless it had sugar in it or something. juice was probably the closest thing to water i could consume.
eventually i made it to a very smart chiropractor, this guy was psychedelically amazing and i learned more about my body, pressure points, and my health that i never knew existed. did u know certain pressure points effect certain internal organs of yours? i was having kidney and liver troubles at one time and he straightened/realigned my hip and the problems went away. he told me i was gagging on water because i wasnt getting enough of a certain mineral, and he gave me a few bottles of magnesium or something like that (i cant remember exactly) and water all of a sudden tasted fine after a few days. weird huh? mineral deficiencies can change how u perceive the taste of water.
a lot of bottled waters and these days are loaded with particular minerals that tap contains to enhance the taste, but when u have an over-amount of one kind or a loss of one kind, its creating a different taste. the same thing goes for various tap water which may be overloaded or under-supplied in various minerals, though this may be natural.
if it tastes good, add it to your brew, if it doesn't, you can supplement with a tasty bottled "spring" water instead, which also has various minerals.
the minerals contained in spring and tap water are essential in your brew, otherwise your looking at stuck fermentation, ive made this mistake in the past using distilled water thinking that tap would contaminate my brew.
Weeeiiiirrrddd....I may have to look into this more and retry my tap water. I have been drinking reverse osmosis purified water that I buy from the grocery store for the past 6 months or so, before which I drank the tap water. It kind of hit me one day...all of a sudden I noticed the tap water tasted bad, which may point to a mineral deficiency as you mentioned, but I do eat quite healthy. I am a vegetarian, which could explain the possible deficiency, but I've been cooking pretty much all my own foods and a variety at that, since I switched. I'm trying to cut back on my sugar intake, although I don't think it was ever extreme and actually lately I've been going super healthy by making green smoothies, which curb my sugar cravings to the point of thinking most "sugary" things were actually pretty gross. I eat lots of nuts, tofu, fruit, some eggs, drink probably most of my 8 ounces of water a day, etc.
That's cool with the chiropractor, it's too bad that what makes successful people of certain trades successful isn't more well known, ie why isn't every chiropractor like that or even to the point of saying why doesn't everyone have a basic knowledge of these things? Maybe the desire for truth isn't deep enough in the general public...
Hmm..interesting, thanks for bringing that up.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: fazdazzle]
#7862416 - 01/10/08 10:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well i just started ANOTHER 1gal of melomel
this one has some canned fruit in it lol also some frozen fruit which i hear is good cause it breaks up the cell walls. more fruity flavor!
I used 1 can of crushed pineapple in its own juice, 1 can of "light" fruit cocktail that has pears, apples, peaches, cherries, grapes, all in pear juice and no additive sweeteners or preservatives. I also added about 2 or 3 handfuls of frozen grapes, and 2 cups of mixed frozen fruit with pineapple, apple, honeydew, peaches, and canteloupe. Heated this on the stove in a little bit of maple syrup, white sugar, the pulp of 2 LARGE persimmons, and water, Then I put in about 3/4 an oz of raisins, and added cool water almost to the top.
I threw the yeast in and airlock on, and let it sit to fill up without poking holes in it yet. I figured it might take a few hours to get going like usual, but this time the condom inflated about halfway within' 15 minutes!!! I couldn't believe how fast the yeast had started.
anyway, that was the end of my yeast and my last bottle to brew in, so hopefully ill get a few more soon and can rack off the fruit before it goes.... south for the winter.........
I racked off the cranberries in my other brew, although 2 or 3 made it through the tubing. I'll keep an eye on them for mold.
I have such a beautiful array of brewing colors here. from the yellowish gold of the apple juice, to the reddish orange of the cranberry brew, to the bright yellow of the pineapple brew. my closet is stylin' and smelling like rotten fruit. I cant wait!!!
ill get some pics up soon, maybe some video of the bubbling action, especially on the apple juice.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7864179 - 01/11/08 09:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you could make a batch to hold the yeast...then you don't have to keep buying more...
if you have a somewhat constant flow of brews you could do it with no problem i think...(just like making a fungus culture or a mj motherplant...)
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: brshroomer]
#7866235 - 01/11/08 06:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont even know how to go about doing this, but i tend to underpitch just a little, so its still bubbly by the next day but not at full roll yet. I can usually innoc about 3 or 4 1gal jars with 1 pack of yeast. it says good for up to 5 gallons, but thats all in one container, no?.
after watching so many youtube videos, most people just dump a whole pack of yeast into a little 1/2gal container etc, and it just seems like a waste. i try to make mine go the distance.
how would i go about doing this? make a sugar water brew and innoc it with a whole pack, then just siphon some gunk off the bottom into the new brews?
I was considering using some of my applebrew to innoc this new jar but i am at a loss for a food grade funnel, so i gave up and used the rest of my yeast packet. I get packets of yeast for 25cents to 75cents depending on the quality so its not much of a loss to my already RAPED funds.
I have heard of making a "yeast cake" before though, and that its easy, fun, and beneficial. if u have any advice, or sites with procedures i could read, ide be thankful for the information. I would gladly give this process of making a "yeast cake" a try. I would gladly compensate with some ratings
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7866302 - 01/11/08 06:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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that does look really tasty
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: snoot]
#7866453 - 01/11/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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heres my cranberry/orange/blacktea brew when i first pitched the yeast, maybe 10mins afterwards and things were already turning inside
this is after racking off of the cranberries
heres my mashed pineapple/fruity melomel
these pics taken just 2 mins ago.
I cant wait they all look so good.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7866481 - 01/11/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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heres a small vid of my bubbling applejuice, its kinda blurry as i cant focus my video function on my camera close enough to clearly see bubbles, so i put it close enough to tell there was bubbles.
this was taken on the 2nd day of fermentation. i believe i pitched the yeast on the 7th, its now the 11th and fermentation has almost halted. I think its almost done.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7866861 - 01/11/08 09:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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so this pineapple brew is bubbling about as much if not more than the apple juice.
well I decided since this apple brew, having only been going for 4 days, stopped bubbling almost completely, that it either stuck or done. I poured about a tablespoons worth into a glass and both me and my lady tasted it.
DONE! DONE! DONE!
4 days of fermentation, and this is gotta be one of the strongest brews ive ever had! it HAS to be close to 20% cause it burns like whiskey, although it has a taste more like white wine. the yeast is still there, very yeasty brew, but its like a good white wine.
I bottled some in a wine bottle, and instead of corking it and dying from the bottle bomb, i rubberbanded a condom with holes in it on top, so that it can sit in secondary and finish, as well as settle out. we plan to crack this open mid april of this year, so its going to sit out of reach for a while in the closet, and I will update by april how it tastes.
In the meantime, we are drinking the rest, ive only had about 6 or 8oz of the stuff, and im feeling it really well. cant believe how easy that was! cider fuckin rocks
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7875597 - 01/13/08 08:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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see, where the yeast really is depends on the temperature of the fermentation...
colder temperatures cause the yeast to deposit and fermentate at the bottom of the container. when in hotter temperatures(normal temperature, not refrigerated) they'll fermentate in the top of the container...
if you were going to make a yeast culture, i sugest you use the liquid to tranfer to the others, rather then what collects at the bottom(that is dead yeast?)
i'll make some tests here then...
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: brshroomer]
#7877102 - 01/14/08 05:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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colder temperatures cause the yeast to deposit and fermentate at the bottom of the container. when in hotter temperatures(normal temperature, not refrigerated) they'll fermentate in the top of the container...
thanks, thats really good information.
its so cold in here that my hands and feet are usually almost numb, though i wouldn't say it was colder than 60deg F. My window isnt very insulated, and being winter and all a lot of cold leaks through. I noticed my yeast fermenting from the bottom, is this more of a problem when fermenting fruit that are floating on the surface?
I just decided to ferment them cold because I heard yeast puts off weird off-flavors when fermented in warmer temperatures.
thanks again for the info...
and I think my cranberry brew might be contaminated. bummer. it looks a bit oily on the surface, there was some bubbles collecting on the surface making a big bubble, also one of the cranberries isnt molding, but the skin has turned CHALK white, not just opaque from the CO2. im thinking some sort of bacteria.
ill give it a day or two more with observations, and if things dont persist ill give it a swish around the mouth as I hear your taste buds will inform you better than vision and smell. it could just be the high pectin content from the cranberries though. still doesnt explain the weird chalk white cranberry skin.
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7878238 - 01/14/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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when fermenting in a colder temperature the yeast will clump together and stay in the bottom, leaving a clearer and softer brew. no problem that they're not near the fruit. if you are using lager yeast it should be fine, as it is a low temp yeast. but some yeast that work at high temps won't work as fast or at all in too cold temps, and this may lead to contamination.
after some research i found out that they use the yeast that clumps and falls to the bottom to produce other culture... and they try to collect the yeast in the 'middle' layer, trying to maintain the original characteristics...
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: brshroomer]
#7881701 - 01/15/08 03:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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im using a wine yeast and it turns out just great,
my pineapple brew was silent this morning, not a bubble in sight. i gave it a taste, WTF!!!!!!!
how are these fruit juices fermenting so fast? i figure its maybe the pear or the pineapple, both would contribute a lot of flavor and sugar to the mix.
at first it tasted like a hawaiin pizza, with the yeasty taste like bread, and the pineapple. then it just tastes like club soda with a hint of pineapple. its really strong, 16% or close? i know my tolerance and im fucked up off only 3 or 4 glasses, i lost count!!!!
melomel is premium, and this yeast is fast, and preserves a lot of flavors!!!
i also poured out the cranberry stuff, it was SLIMEY!!
as i was pouring it out cause it smelled bad, i ran it over my hand, it was oily and slimey, also i tasted a lil, like a vinegar foot!!!
bacteria im sure of it.
anyways im drunk as hell off this pineapple mix, im going to try this again with chunky pineapple once i get more yeast, cause ive been drinking pineapple chunks - crushed pineapple was a bad idea, how u strain this shit?
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: eyefyndum]
#7883495 - 01/15/08 01:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you syphon it off when you transfer carboys, beer syphons come with a little black cap that keep most solids out
otherwise you can try a little coffee filter or something rubberbanded on
straight sugar does ferment fast, and thats what is mostly in juices and stuff unless you get unsweetened/organic. Same thing with canned fruit, full of sugar.
i also wouldn't be surprized if the acid helps your stomach obsorb quicker
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Re: Maple Mandarin Wine/Mead/Hooch [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7887181 - 01/16/08 03:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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no added sugar, preservatives etc... just fruit canned in natural juice. the pineapple in its own, and the fruit cocktail in pear juice.
i tried a coffee filter.... it broke.... i tried a piece of a "wife beater" t-shirt, cut to size, sterilized, and rubberbanded on with an also-sterile band. i even tried a piece of sterilized pantyhose.
i had dissolved the frozen pulp of two large persimmons in there, not to mention it was crushed pineapple and in little bitty pieces to begin with. everything i tried clogged up within seconds and ruined my syphoning action. I must have popped some vessels in my mouth trying to suck liquid through them. ugh. i also dont have a racking cane, just some vinyl tubing shown in the picture with the still piece.
eventually i just let it suck through chunks, and ended up drinking them, they werent that bad, even tasted a bit more alcoholic than the brew itself. its hitting those puffed up rehydrated raisins that about choke you up with their flavor, BAGAH!
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