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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9462406 - 12/19/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Question:

Do crystals ALWAYS precipitate out after freezing and thawing the acid water? I have only done one pull but I have not seen any yet. Is this bad?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9463140 - 12/19/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You should get at least a few white snowflakes.
You might have weak cactus(?) 
Evaporate all of the water and see what you get.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9463255 - 12/19/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well I spoke too soon. I have 2 jugs going. I did the first pull on Jug #1 the other night and could only get half the Xylene. I salted it and froze it/poured off the Xylene. No crystals came out after thawing... But I consider that one to be kinda screwed up.

I did pull #1 on Jug #2, and pull #2 on Jug #1, last night, salted, and froze. This morning I poured off the Xylene and left with my buddy to thaw (This is all happening at his house). So I call him today and he's all like "Dude, it's "miraculous"" so I gather that means... CRYSTALS!!!!

So, yeah basically, Ive done 3 saltings... 1 screwed up one, and 2 good ones. I think it will be smooth sailing now.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9464025 - 12/19/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Try to get as much xylene from the cactus each time that you can - without getting any green.  And shake up the acidic water/xylene mix really well a number of times before you collect it from the xylene again.  But remember to allow enough time for everything to settle before you separate layers (xylene from cactus, or water from xylene).  You really don't want to rush through steps.  The cleaner your separations are, the cleaner your end product will be.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9468243 - 12/20/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Update: Jug number 1 pull #2 resulted in MASSIVE amounts of crystals.

Jug number 2 Pull #1 = not much of anything.

Is here a reason why the first pull did little on both jugs?

I will post results of following pulls.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9468373 - 12/20/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps you should have waited another 8-12 hours for it to break down before your first extraction.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9471519 - 12/21/08 07:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Update:

Jug #1 - Pull 3 = Success. Tons of crystals. Added one Tbsp. Lye to Jug for 4 th pull.

Jug #2 - Pull 2 = Success. Incredible .

Question, Can I do one more pull on each jug after I complete all 5?
If so, what should my Acid/water solution be?

Finally, If I am able to do a 6th pull to replace the bad first pulls, I will evaporate the 6th pulls in a separate tray and wash with acetone... to get rid of any extra citric acid. Sound good?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9471765 - 12/21/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

No need to bother with acetone.  Just use distilled water, the universal solvent.

If you are evaporating all of the extraction waters, you can dissolve all of your mescaline citrate powder in 1/3 cup hot distilled water, then freeze, thaw, and pull the water away from the crystals.  Dry those crystals in your evaporation dish - you can use some fresh distilled water to help transfer all of the white crystalline slurry.  Use the separated water to do your sixth extraction. 

Then, freeze and separate those crystals.  Do what you want with the extra water at that point.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9478646 - 12/22/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Okay sounds good!

Another thing. On my 4th salting I noticed some "tiny black particles, like black pepper" in one of my salting jars. What could this be. It's not much, maybe 3 or 4 grains. This will be okay once I recrystallize right? Should I try to remove them?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9478893 - 12/22/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, sounds nice; can you show us some pictures?

I'd try to get ride of the black particles, did you use carbon?  Or filter papers?

And your different jugs, if they weren't from different cactus batches most of the alkaloids could of stayed in the first jug or you could of worked more paid more attention to the first jug...who knows, at least something went right.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9479605 - 12/22/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You must have gotten some dirt in the works.  Pick it out on the evaporation dish.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9484206 - 12/23/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

posting so can easily keep up with updates in the thread.  Thanks for the great tek by the way, I'm looking forward to trying it out in the near future.  Cheers

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9484633 - 12/23/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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No need to bother with acetone.  Just use distilled water, the universal solvent.

If you are evaporating all of the extraction waters, you can dissolve all of your mescaline citrate powder in 1/3 cup hot distilled water, then freeze, thaw, and pull the water away from the crystals.  Dry those crystals in your evaporation dish - you can use some fresh distilled water to help transfer all of the white crystalline slurry.  Use the separated water to do your sixth extraction. 

Then, freeze and separate those crystals.  Do what you want with the extra water at that point.




Well each time we do an extraction, we have been freezing the water layer, pouring off the Xylene, then thawing the "icecube". So we end up with crystals and water that we dump into the evaporation dish.

Could we just pipette up some of the water from the evaporation dish, from around the crystals and use that to do our 6th extraction?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9484703 - 12/23/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Absolutely.  That is what I recommend.  I know it's a bit confusing because I give the "total evaporation" method in the first post, then give the "freeze precipitation" method in the body.

BTW, you can always add or evaporate distilled water without adding or removing anything.

You can separate the water from the crystals (preferably in the frozen-then-thawed collection jar) with a pipette, and save that water (adding each extraction's separated water each time) for the final extraction.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9487828 - 12/24/08 06:26 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Awesome. That will save me some time. It's around 25 degrees here right now, so the evaporation dish is taking FOREVER. I will just suck up some of the water and use that for my 6th extraction.

BTW, I'm looking at around 2- 2.5 grams of crystals per jug so far.

Can't wait to try this shit out. Looks pure as the driven snow!!


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9490724 - 12/24/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I read that you don't have a scale, so you've been winging the doses. What size 00 capsule are you speaking of? Do they make only one size? The ones they sell at the headship?


About how many milligrams can fit in one of those give or take?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9493164 - 12/25/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I have since gotten a good milligram scale, so I know that a 00 capsule will usually hold between 400mg - 600mg. 

I really would recommend getting a scale, though.  You can get a relatively cheap one from ebay that should do the job.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9493216 - 12/25/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If you precipitate nicely you should be able to filter the crystals out from the water.

But I was thinking the other day and I thought about drying your solvent after acid was introduced.  In this case having a separate solvent than what you separated (I was actually thinking about the salting phase of coca extraction but it applies elsewhere).  But then you would have a completely dry acidic solvent to introduce to your separated xylol, then again that might not work so well depending on how much water is in the xylol (should be less then introducing a diluted acid, that brings a lot of water into your solvent when salting).


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9493329 - 12/25/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not following you.
Why don't you work on it, then make your own post to explain it.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9496773 - 12/26/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not following you.
Why don't you work on it, then make your own post to explain it.




Well, it's your using a different method; if you had your alkaloids in the solvent as a base then salted from there that would be in the area I am referring too.

I'm kinda trying to visualize what process you used, you salted the solvent and separated the water?  I would think that would be tricky since you wouldn't see when the salting of the solvent was through, since it would be in the water and not crystallized.........but I like the idea of making crystals in water, less impurities in the final product.

Basically, what I was saying was when you have your alkaloids in the solvent "benzene", mix some acid (whatever acid you use) with another side of xylol.  Then dry that solvent and mix with your alkaloid solvent to form crystals, then filter and air dry.

What your doing works too, I probably should of saved that idea for someone crystallizing from the solvent and not water.  If you have seen the extraction on the Drug Forums, of the five kilos of Pedro; you'd have an idea of the method I am referring to...

But mostly, the idea came from coca extraction; the solvents must be anhydrous to form crystals in them.......I am always worried about freeze precipitating, well, the steps getting to their and losing weight and so forth.


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