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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7743840 - 12/11/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Tom Brady was not the factor in their Superbowl seasons (with the exception of this one if they go).




What is your evidence for this? Simply saying so doesn't make it true.

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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7744049 - 12/11/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

true and does nobody think the colts are going to beat the patrots... cmon now:rolleyes:

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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #7744276 - 12/11/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i have to admit i didnt think brady had as strong of an arm as he does but after this i am convinced.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d804f0f8b

i still think manning has a faster release though.

but really i guess its all moot point who is better.

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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
    #7745204 - 12/11/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Look at the stats.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
    #7745252 - 12/11/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

your sports knowledge is Sooooooooooo much better than your Political smarts.:grin::grin::grin:


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7745300 - 12/11/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
your sports knowledge is Sooooooooooo much better than your Political smarts.:grin::grin::grin:





says the person who supports Ron Paul


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7745351 - 12/11/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No more IRS, Drug Laws, UN.....:thumbup:


One Can Only Dream.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7745947 - 12/11/07 05:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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AaronEvil said:
Look at the stats.




You made the statement, so you provide the stats. I'm not going to do your homework for you. Put up or shut up.

Obviously he was an elite QB during the 2004 and 2005 SB's, b/c he went to the Pro Bowl as well.

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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
    #7747789 - 12/12/07 12:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Philip Rivers went to the Pro-Bowl... its a flawed system.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7748057 - 12/12/07 05:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Still absolutely no evidence. Give me proof that "Tom Brady was not the factor in their Superbowl seasons".

I'm starting to think you have no clue what youre talking about.

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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: relativexistance]
    #7748272 - 12/12/07 07:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Romo is better than them all.:yesnod:

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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
    #7748693 - 12/12/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Still absolutely no evidence. Give me proof that "Tom Brady was not the factor in their Superbowl seasons".

I'm starting to think you have no clue what youre talking about.






Those Superbowls were aaallll Matt Lyte.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: relativexistance]
    #7748697 - 12/12/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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LiquidSmoke you pose a good point, however if you had to choose one to build a team around who would it be?






It would have to be Brady.


for the same reason i'd pick Montana over Marino


because they showed up when it mattered the most. Clutch is always more important than stats.




Brady managed to win 3 superbowls, with a pretty mediocre recieving core. Manning's had some pretty talented recievers in Reggie Wayne, Harrison, Stokley, Clark.


Only as of recent has Brady had a quality recieving core. If Brady had Harrison and Reggie Wayne to throw to, who knows how many SB's he would've won by now.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7749578 - 12/12/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that Brady can win the big games, that is a quality Manning lacks most of the time. However, I still say Manning is a better QB overall.

Like I keep saying, look at the stats if you dont think Manning is a better QB overall. SB's are just another stat and a stat that doesnt reflect a single players ability but the ability of the team as a whole. I think the Pats have had the better team, no doubt, thats how they won SuperBowls... but on an individual level Manning is better.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7749667 - 12/12/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I stopped reading your post once you said SB's are "just another stat"


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7749716 - 12/12/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It is. Once the superbowl is over its a stat. Thas why Favre's Superbowl win isnt relevant. His MVP's arent either. They are just another stat on his resume.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7750230 - 12/12/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You keep dancing around your arguments. It's getting fucking pitiful. Show me (with evidence) that Brady wasn't the factor in their SB seasons.

And don't say "look at the stats". Even when I did just look at the stats, it doesn't back up your argument. I'll give this one last chance and then just take it for granted that you have absolutely no legitimate point.

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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
    #7752176 - 12/13/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

he's just a bitter chargers fan who denies his own bias.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: Redstorm]
    #7752461 - 12/13/07 02:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

My main thesis (along with the thread) is that Peyton Manning is a better quarterback. I (please note the word I) dont think Brady was the biggest factor in the superbowl victories. This season Brady is the biggest factor on the team especially because they have little running game.

I dont need to do your homework. You can easily go to NFL.com and see the difference in stats from Brady's previous seasons to the current season. You really shouldnt have to look it up since we all know Brady is godly this season. Peyton has out matched Brady in virtually every other season. Therefore, Manning is a better quarterback as it stands right now.

My opinion, get over it.


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Re: why peyton manning > tom brady [Re: AaronEvil]
    #7752591 - 12/13/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It's not my homework, it's yours. You obviously do not understand that when you make a claim, you are the one who is supposed to back it up. You never said anything about comparing Brady earlier in his career to now. All you said is that Brady wasn't the factor that led to their previous Superbowls.

If it wasn't him, then who was it?

You fail.

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