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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7622483 - 11/11/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yep here comes one :thumbup:
  wouldn't it be really cool to see a Trich with big pups coming off every aerole???

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: cpw1971]
    #7622775 - 11/11/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

were did you find that stuff and how much was it.

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: strangladesh]
    #7623616 - 11/11/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

well apparently lanolin & BAP are more effective then kieki paste
http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/chemicals/cn/Benzyladenine.html
for BAP which I can't find what stands for.

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Knoa6]
    #7623651 - 11/11/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i think kieki paste has it in it does it not? the disadvantage is you are stuck with that pastes %, mixing your own may be better.


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: kadakuda]
    #7624037 - 11/11/07 11:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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i think kieki paste has it in it does it not? the disadvantage is you are stuck with that pastes %, mixing your own may be better.



I assume that is exactly right.

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Knoa6]
    #7624458 - 11/12/07 03:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

nope nothing from mine yet:nonono:

my paste is about 4 years old though :shrug:


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: royer]
    #7625280 - 11/12/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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wouldn't it be really cool to see a Trich with big pups coming off every aerole???



well thats not really the point of doing this...


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were did you find that stuff and how much was it.



google.


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i think kieki paste has it in it does it not?  the disadvantage is you are stuck with that pastes %, mixing your own may be better.



I assume that is exactly right.



it definately has cytokinin, but not sure about BAP...
im fully aware that this may not be an ideal % of the required hormone, this is just an experiment to determine wether it works as a low cost/low effort approach...
if it doesnt work i shall get the correct individual ingredients and make my own paste as una did...


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nope nothing from mine yet:nonono:

my paste is about 4 years old though :shrug:



lol newer would probably be better... although i wouldnt know if keiki paste goes out of date or not :shrug:


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7625639 - 11/12/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I know thats not the point  but wouldn't it look cool???

  a cheaper way to get cacti to pup is chop off the top :tongue:

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: cpw1971]
    #7625716 - 11/12/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

indeed i could just cut the tops off my plants, but i dont want to mutilate them... i like having nice looking specimens that havent been chopped down to stumps :yesnod:

pups from every aerole? that would look wierd, and if left to grow up they would just crowd each other out... only a few would grow anyway, the rest would just stall...


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7873812 - 01/13/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

updates?

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Knoa6]
    #7873953 - 01/13/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah updates??
hey uare...
do stalled pups ever unstall??
maybe in the summer heat and sun??
I have a couple

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: cpw1971]
    #7875086 - 01/13/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh yeah i forgot about this!
nothing more to report unfortunately... except for the monstrose bridgesii pup, nothing else pupped...
so i suspect that the bridgesii was planning to pup from that particular aerole anyway :shrug:

when im back from indonesia i'll try and get my hands on the BAP & lanolin and try that method :yesnod:

cpw >>> it depends if the cactus is putting its energy into growing another area, like if u had 2 growing pups and 1 stalled pup on the same plant, the stalled one may remain stalled for a long time...
but i guess that theroetical stalled pup should grow one day, perhaps when the root system is larger and it can support more growth...
if the pup is large enough to cut off and root then id do that, capitalise and get another plant going on its own roots...


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7877129 - 01/14/08 05:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

none of mine puped either


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: royer]
    #7877233 - 01/14/08 07:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oh well, it was worth a shot :yesnod:


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7877265 - 01/14/08 07:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:yesnod:


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: royer]
    #7877741 - 01/14/08 10:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so wot do u think man, not enough of the cytokinin hormone in the keiki paste? thats the conclusion i came to anyway...


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7877749 - 01/14/08 10:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So what does BAP stand for?

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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Knoa6]
    #7877787 - 01/14/08 11:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

6-Benzylaminopurine


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Re: Cytokinin Experiment. [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #9625186 - 01/17/09 06:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

ok, so after my failed attempt using keiki paste i managed to get my hands on some BAP hormone and i will be trying this out when spring finally arrives.
just thought i'd post about it here so that anyone in the southern hemisphere has a chance of trying it out while summer is still going strong :yesnod:

here is some more info for anyone who is interested in trying this out:

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6-Benzylaminopurine, benzyl adenine or BAP is a first-generation synthetic cytokinin which elicits plant growth and development responses, setting blossoms and stimulating fruit richness by stimulating cell division.




it really is a simple procedure.
the hormone itself is a white powder, you need to mix it with lanolin at approximately 10% w/w.
then this paste should be applied to the aeroles with a toothpick, it seems to be more effective if you scratch/damage the surface of the aerole so it is easily absorbed.
this should be done when the plants are in full growth.

the hormone is widely used in tissue culturing already so it should not be difficult to find.
and lanolin is easy to find also, search for nipple cream lol


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