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 Hows' this lighting set-up 
#7438627 - 09/22/07 12:29 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey all I have been reading all around on which lighting set-up is better for growing pot. I have researched all kind of set-ups. HPS, MH, Fluorescent, CFL. So for mine, which I only have two plants right now, I decided to go with two four foot tubes of Fluorescent. One is a "natural sunshine" and the other is "plant/aquarium"http://files.shroomery.org/files/07-38/043456774-DSCN0567.jpg] 6769-DSCN0565.jpg] [/image]
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I hate fluorescents, they work, but they suck. Get a metal halide for veggin and add hps to bud.
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 Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: joef5]
#7438735 - 09/22/07 12:57 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea man whats your freedom worth.
You really wont regret doing things right the first time. for 200 bucks you could have a 400+ HPS and a decent fan.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Legoulash]
#7438778 - 09/22/07 01:09 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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What would it really be worth to have a 400 watt HPS light if I only plan to have at max 4 plant up to one time. In a small closet too.
Also could the previous poster elaborate on why CFL or Florescent lights suck?
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Because the light doesnt penetrate threw the canopy, so youll just get small pidley buds. HPS is far more intense of a light, and has been a tried and true method of growing premos for many years now.
Floros are only good for clones and seedlings. Even then most growers would prefer HPS.
It also wouldnt matter how many plants you have, it would depend on the grow rooms size. Plants can be single cola clones or 12' trees, you want around 50w per sq. foot.
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I think it has something to do with the wavelength of the light fluorescent light isn't much better than an incandescent bulb hid lamps are closer to natural sunlight.
You provably wont need 400 wats for a small closet. And the lights are much cheaper if you just buy a ballast and a ceramic lamp base and wire them yourself you could save about $100. Plus then you don't have to have the ballast in the closet since they can throw off some heat.
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Just get a 400w HID and be done with it. Anything else is kids toys.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: FecalDildo]
#7439220 - 09/22/07 05:22 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
FecalDildo said:
Just get a 400w HID and be done with it. Anything else is kids toys.
QFT
also: this should be in the garden.
I'll move it.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Nalim]
#7439704 - 09/22/07 10:17 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hows' this lighting set-up
in all honesty, pretty shit 
do it properly or dont bother taking the risk...
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Not good at all...looks like a fire hazard to me.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: BlehMaestro]
#7440134 - 09/22/07 01:17 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Foremost: it's not going to produce any real amount of smokable weed.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Legoulash]
#7440573 - 09/22/07 03:44 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you are saying that with a 400 watt HID you shouldn't trying to cover more than 8 square feet of growing space? Also can't you go down to 40 watts per square feet and still get good yields. That would increase the growing space to 10 square feet. Probably depends on the strain being grown too.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Its Pat]
#7443821 - 09/23/07 01:29 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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50w per. Sq foot it the peak performance for lighting, anymore and its generally a waste. and yes if your growing trees your going to be happier having more light, if its little bushes you can get by with less.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Legoulash]
#7446692 - 09/24/07 08:06 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok I saw a 70w HPS light at the home depot for about $80.00. Would this be good for much. could this be a good replacement for 2 four foot flouro tubes and two compact flouro reflector (par 38 style). I have two different CF reflectors. I like experimenting but for now I just want results.
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70W HPS gives off to much heat in comparison to light. You need at least 200W if you're going with HPS(preferably 400)
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Nalim]
#7450601 - 09/25/07 07:34 AM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I guess the more I read around everyone swears by the 400W HPS light set-up. I will do a little, nay, a lot more reading upon this subject. How would trying to take up hydroponics for hobby?
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Legoulash]
#7452224 - 09/25/07 05:12 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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hasnt it been proven that the 'canopy penetration' argument for HID's is baloney? And if canopy penetration is really the concern, aren't 4' floro's better, because you can place them vertically so the entire plant is lit front base to tip? (thus completely penetrating all canopy layers)
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: angryjslice]
#7452316 - 09/25/07 05:38 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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No it has been proven that it is not baloney. I've seen several charts and measurements showing that HPS penetrates the canopy much better than floros.
Also I've seen several grow-logs where good HPS systems have been compared to good floro systems. Floros aren't as easy or as good. You can get great results from floros if you're skilled and have a lot of time to take care of your plants. With HPS you can get great results if you're a mediocre(beginner) and with not to much of an effort.
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#7452324 - 09/25/07 05:41 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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To further make this very clear: I've seen one growlog where floros where used and the yields/m2 where about the same as a good HPS grow. I've seen over hundred(I'm not kidding) of growlogs where HPS have given good or great yields.
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Re: Hows' this lighting set-up [Re: Nalim]
#7452412 - 09/25/07 06:09 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok but can i just touch on canopy penetration again?
canopy penetration is the difference in light intensity at the base of the plant versus the top of the plant.
so if half the light of your HID gets through you have 50% pen.
but if i put a few vertical flouros, the light at the bottom is equal to the light at the top. 100% canopy penetration. AND the only concern becomes penetration from outside to in, which is not a problem because of the structure of the plant right?
im not saying flouros are better, im just wondering if the reason people use HID lights, is because people use HID lights.
show me science!
and also please if your going to talk about watts/lumen, be sure to include the wattage it takes to cool a HID light setup in your math.
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