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 MarkostheGnostic
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 Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: AmericaOnLSD]
#7373570 - 09/06/07 04:33 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with Silversoul and jonathanseagull, based on Wilber's "Pre/Trans fallacy."
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Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#7373738 - 09/06/07 07:11 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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a childs innocence comes from their ignorance or lack of life expirience. the sage's innocence comes from wisdom. i think its nessesary for us to be "cast out the garden" in order to find heaven.
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Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: AmericaOnLSD]
#7374147 - 09/06/07 10:04 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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AmericaOnLSD said:
Since one of the biggest obstacles to "enlightenment" is the ego, and the ego is not yet developed in a young child, does that mean that young children are naturally in higher states of consciousness similar to "enlightened" adults?
Also, wouldn't other animals such as monkeys or even pets be naturally in an "enlightened" state given that they do not have an ego like humans do?
AOLSD
I would guess babies (not children) are in what some call a higher state of consciousness. Before language and the forced agreement to this assemblage point of human culture. But of course they would be unaware of it. They would be swimming in a sea of chaos.
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Edited by Icelander (09/06/07 10:06 AM)
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Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: AmericaOnLSD]
#7374248 - 09/06/07 10:49 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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Let's leave children as they are. They already have enough work to meet the expectations of their parents and society. Let not this "higher state of consciousness" be another burden IMO. 
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Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: shakercee]
#7374308 - 09/06/07 11:16 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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MarkostheGnostic
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 Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: Archemetis]
#7381291 - 09/07/07 08:40 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think so too.
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Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: AmericaOnLSD]
#7381320 - 09/07/07 08:47 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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i believe children are, yes. and children dont make that transition to the fully conscious waking state of mind until theyre a bit older. im not sure what age but children have this sort of dream state of mind until they get older and are growing out of being a child which is pretty interesting to me.
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Re: Are Young Children in "Higher States" of Consciousness? [Re: Locus]
#7382308 - 09/08/07 12:31 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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i would say for sure in some ways they are higher consciousness. have u ever tried to free style? its hard
i sang "run run run for the roses" to my 4 year old nephew and he IMMEDIATELY freestyled his own lyrics. thats hard to do. yea theyre definately smarter in some ways,
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