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Okay, I have already received three spore syringes. They were manufactured on August 2nd, of this year. I am now ready start this project, my question to you is, how much does all of the equipment cost, for lets say a goal of five pounds per month? I plan on performing the casing method using monotubs, if any of you can list exactly what I need for the best results, it would be very much appreciated. I just want to know how much I am going to need to spend here. I am willing to create a sterile pexi-glass box with a HEPA filter/humidifier, that is the main piece of equipment I will need right? Also, how many bags of Verm and Coir do you think I will need? It would be very helpful if any of you Shroomery fanatics can tell me a rough estimate of what I am going to be spending. From the jars, all the way to the casing material. Thank you for your time, and thank you in advance.
Well hello, Janey. I think I can help, feel free to pm w/ specific questions. You need an AA sterilizer - go for the 41 qt for that kind of yield. $400. Start with a big bag each of verm, birdseed, spaghnum peat moss, and lots of horse dung. You'll need vegetable oil and kelp meal. Coir is optional. Hydrated Lime. A cheap pH meter. As for yield... Let's be conservative, say 1 52qt tub yields qp/month. Thats... 20 52qt sterilites, I stack them 12 to a rack, 4 on each shelf, in a sealed of room, my "lab". Keep this as sterile as possible. So you'll need two shelves (try Lowes) that are about 35"x 20" x 72" and room to store those in and work in. A nice setup would include CO2, Temp, and Rh monitors, even better would be data logging models that can be graphed on a computer. That's another $200+ though, and a lot of time in setup. Oh, to make life easy, get a chipper and a large cement mixer. You may need climate control depending on your local too - A/C in the winter, heat in the summer, possibly dehumidifcation, etc... I will warn you, I yield about half your goal, and put in around 20 hours a week... You are looking at a full time job here. Good luck.
Why do you want to pull the horse on its tail? Why do you not learn things step by step?
First, one starst with the foolproof PF-Tek (Please click the ShroomCity Link below) One does not buy an expensive AA at the beginning - one borrows a PC from the grandmother. One enjoys the first fruiting - does the shrooms, and collects the spores. Several times one preforms that routine work. In between, one does some travelling and learns how to talk with the LBS. If one likes eating Holy Shrooms, the time has come to do the first casing and.... maybe... even get an AA-PC as a Chistmas present.
All you need is brown long corn rice flour (one pound). One bag of fine Vermiculite, and a bottle of destilled Water. Actually one needs more Vermiculite then Rice flour, because the mixture is: 3Parts Rice flour - 8Parts Vermiculite - 4Parts Water.
And six jars and alu-foil and some plastic boxes and Seramis. (Dont use Perlite)
Growing shrooms is as easy as making a cup of tea.
if you want to grow 5 lbs a month you should not be using monotubs. and your plexiglass box sounds retarded.
get 3 greenhouses off of ebay, a 24x24 24x36 laminar flowhood, a space heater, thermostat, airconditioner, fallow agars large scale humidifer but out of a 5 gal bucket. and some good lighting. 24 tubs for substrate. its gonna cost a bit to get started on that kinda scale.
expect to be about 1500 to 2500 deep for this project.
you're probably not going to reach your goal if you don't know how to be organized. you're going to need about 100 quarts of spawn each month.
oh and watch out for the po po. you're manufacturing a schedual 1 controlled substance and hobbiests can get away with it because they're a low profile. pushing 5lbs a month means that there are a lot of kids getting fucked up and doing stupid stuff on your drugs someone gets popped and rats and it will most likely get back to you.
I think it would be cool to be able to start up your own business growing legal mushrooms organically and selling to other small businesses to get started. Maybe eventually invest in a larger-scale arrangement and be able to live off the profits.
Could also be living somewhere where it's perfectly legal.
mushrooms are illegal to grow and sell dried in every country that I know of. Some places allow fresh but even then its very iffy
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Quote: whiterussia said: mushrooms are illegal to grow and sell dried in every country that I know of. Some places allow fresh but even then its very iffy
You realize only certain species of mushrooms are illegal, don't you?
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Five pounds dry a month is a rather insane goal for a first grow. And growing any illegal substance on such a huge scale will get you caught sooner or later no matter how careful you are. A set up like this would cost at least two thousand if you knew what you were doing with a isolate. To make up for your inexperience you are probably looking at something in the three and a half to five thousand dollar range.
supplies to produce 5lbs mushrooms per month - $1,000
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Quote: xhooliganx said: expect to be about 1500 to 2500 deep for this project.
I think you're a little optimistic, to be honest. My books put me at about $5,000 so far for my profitless hobby... and that'll probably double again in the next year or so as I begin to get more and more interested in _attempting_ to cultivate morels...
But then again, I'm counting every single purchase related to the hobby, including the dumb shit we've all bought because we read Article_A before we noticed Thread_B... lol.
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building a 24x36 flowhood costs about 500$ 500 petri dishes 80$ scalples, syringes, loops 50$ 10 dozen quart jars 90$ 41 q aa pressre cooker 500$ 50 lbs grain 15$
I really can't see what would take you over the 2500 mark. unless you're doing room modifications for a grow room. maybe buying a nice 10x10 shed and turning it into a lab
that's my next buy. i'm tired of having grow stuff in my house i'd rather have my work area in the back yard.
I have a spare bedroom, strictly for this project. I have a $2,000 budget, so anything you can throw at me for around two grand, i'll buy. Also, to clear things up, I have been browsing through shroomery for about four years. I have had three different user names, never thought I would actually get to the point where this project is ready to go. I have read most of the Teks on this website and the only teks that interest me, is the casing method using rye as a spawn, grain to grain, if you will. I was reading more about monotubs, and decided that is probably not the best route. Martha's linen closets should work better than monotubs correct? Shelves, more air exchange etc.
no marthas suck balls. you pay 30$ for the martha then you need to build shelfs that'll cost you another 30$+. ebay 4 tier greenhouses cando neptune makes em for less than 30$ shipped. you can probably fit 8 of them comfortable in a room against the walls. i'd suggest reading helltics greenhouse tek.
you'll want a sturdy table. get a 1500 watt electric burner for your pc.
if you're good at building look at ohmatics flowhood design in the advanced forum. he has exact measurements for all of the boards for a 24x24 flowhood. granted its metric measurements, but just get a metric tape measure. a propper hepa filter will cost over 200$ don't crap out on this part. if you buy a prebuilt flowhood expect to pay over 1000$.
if you have more questions feel free to discuss in pm with me
To make your life easier, grab yourself two AA pressure cookers, the largest capacity you can find. For as ambitious as your project is, spreading inoculations over several days (by allowing the jars in the PC to cool slowly overnight) really drags things out.
Make sure you pick up a 1200VA (or higher) Uninteruptable Power Supply (it's a battery backup for computers/electronic equipment)... this will power your humidification, fresh air exchange and lighting requirements in the event of a brown-out/power-outage.
The mini-greenhouses from ebay suggested above are the most price effective solution I've found, you'll definitely want to go with those, you'll probably only need two, but if you're planning on a steady rotation you'll need four of them so you can be cleaning them out and prepping for the next fruiting cycle.
As xhooliganx suggested, there is a great tek from a user named "agar" regarding building a rather large humidifier via a ultrasonic fogger, aquarium bubbler and a low powered squirrel cage fan. Search the archives and take the time to build one correctly.
However... I suggest taking agar's advice about finding a 20-gallon, open faced barrel to use instead. I've seen them on ebay for about $25 + 15 shipping... The reason I say that is because a 20-gallon barrel is INFINITELY more difficult to accidentally knock over than a 5-gallon bucket and the first time you pull on a hose or trip on a wire and knock over said bucket you're almost guaranteed to cause more damage than you saved.
Go and buy a cycle-timer. A good one. A lot of us here use the IGS-011 because it allows us to control durations to the tune of "turn on every 2 minutes for 10 seconds". This is important because until you build and test run your system for a couple days you'll not know where the sweet spot for turning your ultrasonic on intermittently during the constant fresh air exchange that goes on.
And be diligent when you buy your fan too. Not all fans can be hooked up to speed controllers and almost NONE of them can be rigged to "dimmer switches" without eventually burning out or catching on fire. Took me forever to find a shaded pole type squirrel cage fan blower that had at least 50 CFM @ 0.5" Static Pressure at a reasonable price. (fans are complicated as shit when you really get into them, lol)
There's a million other things that would be nice, would be handy, could be recommended, but most of those things you'll stumble across as you begin picking up a couple of the things list.
Frx. it's always nice to build a control board out of a piece of plywood to mount your fan's speed controller, the cycle timer, etc. to hang up off the ground so you're not tripping over everything.
Hope that helps...
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