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 Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7316175 - 08/20/07 10:33 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Divinatory said:
okay so I guess the question is what can I do, instead of washing with ammonia, to get a clean white product without losing much crystal?
I just don't wanna wash with ammonia again because I only ran it over for at least 4 seconds and I lost almost a gram.
etiher recrystallise with naptha or do what i said with the water.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7316176 - 08/20/07 10:34 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think the only other thing to do is re freeze it a few times.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: ApacheShaman]
#7316186 - 08/20/07 10:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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retrospect: can you revise this sentence..
"re-dissolve everything into naptha. use a solution of water at pH3 and was the naptha with the water"
do you mean ph13.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7316187 - 08/20/07 10:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whatever came out with the ammonia probably wasn't DMT. You can mix a really small amount with heated naptha, put in freezer for a few hours, scrap white crystals off the top of glass and repeat over and over again with the same naptha, you will get a decent amount of white DMT this way, then evaporate the remander when you stop getting any white crystals and clean with ammonia at this point. I never did it this way though, I always used fresh naptha, but it should work just the same.
From Noman's tek http://www.dmt-nexus.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=460&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
"Place a glass container with the DMT and a glass container of the
recrystallization solvent together in a pan of hot water. Shot glasses
in a saucepan work well for a gram or two. The fumes from whatever
solvent you use will be extremely flammable, so don't use a gas stove
or light a bowl or be otherwise stupid. The DMT will already be
melting if the water is hot enough. Add the hot solvent little by
little (eye-dropper), agitating until all of the DMT is dissolved. Use
as little solvent as possible. It should take only about 20-30ml of
solvent per gram of powder. The solvent will be a clear yellow.
Leave the pan of water with the DMT container to cool to room
temperature. Remove the DMT container and cool in the refrigerator,
then the freezer. You will end up with DMT crystals of varying purity
atop a pellet of slag which still contains quite a bit of DMT but also
lye if you skipped the ammonia wash. Filter the solvent and separate
the crystals from the slag. The crystals can be refined in one or two
more recrystallizations into pure clear DMT if desired. The slag can
also be further refined or simply redissolved into the next batch. The
solvent can be reused or evaporated down and the residue scraped and
cleaned. And don't forget to scrub those jars and utensils with your
favorite smoking herb!"
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: fapjack]
#7316231 - 08/20/07 10:58 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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thanks fapjack!
did you lose any noticeable amount of crystals by doing this?
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7316239 - 08/20/07 11:02 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Divinatory said:
retrospect: can you revise this sentence..
"re-dissolve everything into naptha. use a solution of water at pH3 and was the naptha with the water"
do you mean ph13.
no i mean ph3.
have a read through this: http://rapidshare.com/files/40880324/LexTek_v0.1.pdf.html
go straight to STEP 5 and it will go into detail on the water wash and how to do it. it works great and is used for acacia which is HEEEAAAPS fattier than MHRB
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: retrospect]
#7316252 - 08/20/07 11:09 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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so you think the water wash would work better than the norman's tek that fapjack posted?
what does everyone else think?
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7316263 - 08/20/07 11:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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noman is very experienced with extracting mhrb so id follow his directions. the tek i posted was designed to acacia which is real fatty, and since your dmt looks pretty damn dirty i thought itd suit. anyways, noman KNOWS what hes talking about when it comes to MHRB.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: retrospect]
#7317395 - 08/21/07 09:45 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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alright thanks, I think i'll try the norman tek and see how it turns out. I'll post my progress.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7317909 - 08/21/07 12:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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all you need to do is recrystallize all your spice. it's very simple. you will have large clear crystals when you're done.
Follow this tek, I had the same ammonia troubles you did and it cleaned up just fine.
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=812
The basic idea, is to dissolve all that spice into a SMALL AMOUNT of hot naptha, the impurities won't dissolve. seperate those out. Then cover and let sit at room temp, your crystals will grow huge.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: enesi]
#7318267 - 08/21/07 02:07 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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ahh thanks for the link!
its good to know someone else had the same problem and easily fixed it 
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: enesi]
#7318768 - 08/21/07 04:33 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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enesi said:
all you need to do is recrystallize all your spice. it's very simple. you will have large clear crystals when you're done.
Follow this tek, I had the same ammonia troubles you did and it cleaned up just fine.
http://www.dmt-nexus.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=812
The basic idea, is to dissolve all that spice into a SMALL AMOUNT of hot naptha, the impurities won't dissolve. seperate those out. Then cover and let sit at room temp, your crystals will grow huge.
With love, and patience, you'll be clean as ice 
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7319090 - 08/21/07 06:16 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Divinatory said:
ahh thanks for the link!
its good to know someone else had the same problem and easily fixed it
yes, i washed with ammonia before i knew about recrystallizing at all, and had the same results you did.
If you plan to recrystallize, doing the ammonia wash isn't necessary.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: enesi]
#7319123 - 08/21/07 06:23 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea, I just wanted to do the ammonia wash to besure and get out all the remaining lye to be on the safe side and then finish up with recrystalization. but who knows, maybe that .7g I lost was just a bunch of lye..
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: Divinatory]
#7319239 - 08/21/07 06:53 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Divinatory said:
yea, I just wanted to do the ammonia wash to besure and get out all the remaining lye to be on the safe side and then finish up with recrystalization. but who knows, maybe that .7g I lost was just a bunch of lye..
There shouldn't be any lye in you're spice to begin with. Lye is water soluble. And if you separated your layers properly to begin with, they should be lye free. (as long as your naptha pulls weren't polluted with brown bubbles)
Cold water will "wash" your crystals also.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: enesi]
#7319450 - 08/21/07 07:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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those pictures are beautiful, thank you for the link
I'd give it a shot, but I only have, at most, 100mg of clean white spice
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: enesi]
#7319544 - 08/21/07 08:07 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you sure that there is no lye mixed? Every tek I've ever seen said to clean it with ammonia to remove the lye. I also read that washing it with naptha a few times worked too, but why would you need to if theres no lye mixed?
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: fapjack]
#7319581 - 08/21/07 08:13 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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fapjack said:
Are you sure that there is no lye mixed? Every tek I've ever seen said to clean it with ammonia to remove the lye. I also read that washing it with naptha a few times worked too, but why would you need to if theres no lye mixed?
there should not be. lye is water soluble, so it wouldnt dissolve into the naptha.
The tek's i've read say to wash with ammonia, but never mention why, lol. Some say it's to remove any remaing hydroxides. Cold water does the trick also.
But again, if you are going to recrystallize, washing isn't needed anyway.
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: enesi]
#7319610 - 08/21/07 08:20 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just read that it was insoluble in polar solvents, though I was wondering if some might remain in suspension. This is where I read it though, in Noman's Tek.
"10. Once the paste has dried THOROUGHLY (chop and stir it a couple of
times), crush any lumps up and combine it all into one coffee
filter. Now wash the lot by pouring freezer temperature NON-SUDSY
ammonia over it and through the coffee filter. This will remove
any remaining lye and some other impurities from the extract. If
you can get 10% ammonia ("janitorial strength") all the better.
Most important, though, is NON-SUDSY: shake the bottle, if it
suds, get a different bottle. It won't take much, 100ml or so for
a 200g batch, just make sure all the powder is thoroughly wetted,
stir it around while washing. A good bit of the mass will wash
away (25-45%) but it's nothing you want to be smoking
anyway. (Note: if you intend to recrystallize, you can omit the
ammonia wash). "
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Re: DMT extraction question, NEED HELP [Re: fapjack]
#7320170 - 08/21/07 10:39 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea from what I've read I was under the impression that there could be some remaining lye mixed in and the ammonia will get it all out.
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