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 GoodbyeOrb
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 Re: BlueFoot Questions...  [Re: Libertine]
#7247414 - 08/01/07 02:27 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting to get an answer as to whether or not I am wasting my time looking in the valleys around lakes....
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7247425 - 08/01/07 02:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I belive you are....(but could be wrong)
10,000 year old river beds is what I've heard...
Does anybody know why the have to be 10,000 years old?
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7247453 - 08/01/07 02:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's natural habitat is along rivers and streams.it's existence is controlled by flooding and river/stream side habitat(trees and ground foliage and whether or not it was ever introduced in the first place.)lakes are probably a waste of time.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7247528 - 08/01/07 03:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Teotzlcoatl said:
I belive you are....(but could be wrong)
10,000 year old river beds is what I've heard...
Does anybody know why the have to be 10,000 years old?
Most of the watersheds in the NE US and Great Lake states were formed at the end of the last major glaciation...which ended 10,000 years ago. The reason this is probably important is unless a river is sufficiently mature it won't have the flood plains needed for Blue Foot mushrooms to grow...
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: Libertine]
#7247566 - 08/01/07 03:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ah! good answer, thank you, so big rivers with flood plains are better than little creeks, correct?
i've been looking near small creeks and haven't found shit
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7247579 - 08/01/07 03:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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i just read a bit more, it's not so much the size of the body of water as it is the age and tendency to flood. Also, be looking in places that are prone to deciduous trees as opposed to evergreens. Blue foot tend to prefer maple, beech or birch trees.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7247620 - 08/01/07 03:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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yo kick ass, this is the best info I've gotten
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7247640 - 08/01/07 03:38 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thank the other guys. Like you, i am a caerulipes noob.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7247660 - 08/01/07 03:43 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok,dig this.I am talking about Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata habitat.Psilocybe caerulipes is the original blue foot which prefers maple,beech and birch.P. caerulipes is common in Michigan, southern Ontario along the US border and from Ohio to the esast coast and from New York to South Carolina.there are two bluefeet.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: coon]
#7247680 - 08/01/07 03:47 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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otay. well is the ovoid's preferred also flood plains? either one in season right now? How can there be two "bluefoot" mushrooms? ty.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7247684 - 08/01/07 03:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7247688 - 08/01/07 03:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Teotzlcoatl said:
Ah! good answer, thank you, so big rivers with flood plains are better than little creeks, correct?
i've been looking near small creeks and haven't found shit
From everything I've read sticking to the larger rivers will increase your chances to find 'em. I am sure they are found along some smaller flowing bodies of water like creeks and brooks but I would look at where the creeks and brooks converge with larger rivers...where that convergence happens there is usually a flood plain. But searching floodplains isn't easy...to get to most of them you have to trudge through heavily vegitated riparian areas. I am thinking about learning to canoe...it is probably easier to get to those areas if you are on the river itself rather then trying to get there by hiking through the heavy underbrush.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: Libertine]
#7247706 - 08/01/07 03:52 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah i second that. After this bout with chiggers and poison ivy, me thinks i'm going to invest in a canoe and waders as well.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7247751 - 08/01/07 04:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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ovoideocystidiata what I have been talking about the whole time is in flood plains under sycamore,stinging nettles,jewelweed,and japanese knotweed.it is no longer in season.maybe fruiting for a short period in the fall.
caerulipes fruits in the fall under birch,beech and maple.not sure whether it desires flood plain habitat.more needs to be known about the trees and ground foliage caerulipes prefers.like what kind of birch,maple,or beech trees?as some of each of these kinds of trees likes flood plains and some prefer open mountain forest.
Edited by coon (08/01/07 04:08 PM)
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: coon]
#7247767 - 08/01/07 04:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Habitat and formation
Psilocybe caerulipes is found growing on decaying wood and wood chips throughout the midwest and east coast. This mushroom is found most commonly on maple, beech or birch wood. They are most prolific in deciduous forests near river valleys, preferring flood planes and overflow areas. They tend to grow in areas with a lot of elevation change and are rarer in flat locations. Psilocybe caerulipes was once thought to be very elusive, but in recent years has become very common in the Ohio River Valley.
that's straight outta that wikipedia link i posted.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7247787 - 08/01/07 04:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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in this case I'm not sure if wikipedia is right.it's all very confusing.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: coon]
#7247835 - 08/01/07 04:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah there seems to be some serious confusion concerning caerulipes and ovoid. Can never get a straight answer...
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: coon]
#7248049 - 08/01/07 05:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The wikipedia articles are not so good.
The confusion between P. caerulipes and P. ovoideocystidiata is evident there. Also, bluefoot can get alot bigger than 4 cm.
What Dr. Guzman calls Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, people in the Ohio valley call "Bluefoot". The confusion has multiple sources.
When Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata was discovered in Bethany West Virgina a few years ago 80 people were arrested for picking them. I read about the bust in the newspaper, but they didn't report what species was involved. Most field guides list Psilocybe caerulipes as the only bluing psilocybe found in the area, so naturally psilocybe caerulipes was a good guess.
Specimens from Bethany eventually made their way into cultivation circles and were identified as P. caerulipes. My first encounter with P. ovoideocystidiata was in the spring of 2005 when a shroomerite showed me a cultivated patch. They didn't look much like the bluefoot picture in my field guide but psilocybes are quite variable in appearance so i didn't question the ID too much, though I do recall saying they looked like wavy caps (P. cyanescens). The following spring when I found the same mushroom growing wild, I Identified it as P. caerulipes, but when i sent specimens to Dr. Guzman he said they were not P. caerulipes but a new species. He later identified them as Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata which had been discovered and named already, but had not yet been published.
This spring Workman studied the Bethany mushrooms and noted the spores were different in size and shape. I don't think the controversy is really over yet though, because workman was using somebody else's description of P. caerulipes. Perhaps spore size, like spore color and general morphology, is variable within the species. Of course, there is also the background problem of disagreement over what criteria should be used to draw lines between species. I don't think I'll be certain about the ovoideocystidiata/ caerulipes problem until somebody finds some bonafide population of P. caerulipes so a comparison of live specimens can be made.
Falcon advanced a thesis that many of the wood loving psilocybes (subaeruginosa, caerulipes, cyanescens, ovoideocystidiata...) are con-specific. To test this hypothesis, one would need to determine if the variously named mushrooms are reproductively isolated, and if so what the mechanism of isolation is.
Anyway, here are some ovoideocystidiata habitat pics from 2006.
        
These were all originally posted in this thread.
As others have mentioned, the size of the river or stream does not matter so much as other factors. I have found them on streams small enough to step over and I have found them on rivers big enough for heavy barge traffic.
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Re: BlueFoot Questions... [Re: shroomydan]
#7248113 - 08/01/07 05:59 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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> The wikipedia articles are not so good.
I moved that sentence about the ohio river valley from the Psilocybe caerulipes article to the P. ovoideocystidiata article where it belongs.
Can anyone find anything else that can be fixed in these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_caerulipes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_ovoideocystidiata
> Also, bluefoot can get alot bigger than 4 cm.
How big can it get?
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The ones in the above photo look to be between 8 and 10 cm.
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