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Alnico
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Good stuff. That seems to be in agreement with how I think of it.
In any case I get most of my learnin from meditation.
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badreligion2good
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Old English sounds like German practically, and is a dead language. I think you meant to say Elizabethian English. Which many people mistakingly refer to as Old English. Trivial I know.
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Quite right. Correction acknowledged.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: Alnico]
#7226730 - 07/26/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Walking on water: If you believe you can do something great, it is possible, even if everyone around you believes it is not possible. All you must do is have faith in yourself. The minute you accept doubt, you will begin to sink like a rock.
This is the way the parables were meant to be understood. If a person says otherwise, they are confused. I try to honor and respect all people, but I won't entertain their confusion. In other words, don't judge the person, judge their beliefs.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: Rahz]
#7227291 - 07/26/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Christianity and Buddhism teach almost the same exact thing.
Jesus says you go to Heaven right here right Now. The church says otherwise.
"The Kingdom of God is within you." "if your eye is single then your body will be full of light." "Unless you are converted as children you cannot receive of the Kingdom." "What a man reaps so shall he sow." "He who lives by the sword dies by the sword."
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: leery11]
#7227455 - 07/26/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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"God gave his only begotten son. That whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."
Don't forget that all time favorite.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: Icelander]
#7227735 - 07/26/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said: "God gave his only begotten son. That whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."
Don't forget that all time favorite.
Yes but who said that? Christianity has the word Christ in it for a reason.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: leery11]
#7230059 - 07/27/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes but who said any of it? It's not an auto biography you know.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: leery11]
#7230635 - 07/27/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jesus discovered the "Self" that can be abstracted as the common ground for every individual "Self" that lives in a mortal body. It's essentially the same concept as the god Jehova aka "I am that I am" which is the god of Moses and the god that Jesus called "Father". In Advaita Vedanta the same thing is called "Atman".
Buddha discovered all that stuff too but he also had the insight to see that even the gods and the abstract self are subject to conditions that imply a finite existence for all beings.
All IMHO of course... the mushrooms told me all this before I destroyed the evidence.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: Rhizoid]
#7230713 - 07/27/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Buddha discovered all that stuff too but he also had the insight to see that even the gods and the abstract self are subject to conditions that imply a finite existence for all beings."
It seems that by the time Buddha arrived, the profound meaning for Atman had shrunken into the corrupt meaning of what was formally the 'Jivatman,' the 'conditioned soul,' or as we would say, 'ego.' So the Anatman/Anatta doctrine was aimed at the corruption of meaning, of a permanent, individual ego. The Sankya school, founded by Kapila, which goes back as far as 2000 B.C. taught that there are innumerable 'Purushas' in the sense of individual spirits or souls, NOT One Universal Purusha in the sense of Atman. It would seem that Buddha wished to annihilate THIS pluralistic understanding of Atman, not Purusha-Atman as the Universal Unconditional Absolute.
Just my two cents for readers in general.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: Alnico]
#7231288 - 07/27/07 04:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is a lot of overlap between Christianity and Buddhism as with all religions. Enlightenment and meditation is very similar to Christ's "Kingdom of God", and the figures of Jesus and Buddha are in themselves very similar.
It's a shame your parents have to be totally dogmatic in their beliefs and are giving you a hard time, but not all Christians are like that. All spirituality is just the same thing being seen from different perspectives and explained by different individuals in various cultures across the world. Most of the religious disputes we see are caused when aspects of spirituality are translated into different terms to make them accessible to the populus of any given culture. People then get outraged that there are other groups with a different system trying to explain the wonder and mystery of existence.
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I believe there may have been a Jesus who who had a significant role in teaching spirituality in human history, but do all Christians believe that you will go to hell, unless you worship the Christian "God"?
Certainly not. That's a completely ridiculous belief and one only held by a minority of self righteous fools. Unfortunately for the world, this minority is far larger than one might expect, but it's still a far cry away from representing the majority view of Christians.
I believe there is an infinite spiritual light resonating throughout our universe and beyond it, and it really makes me sad that people constantly argue and even kill one another over pointless details like the religion one chooses to follow. Essentially, all religions are just different paths (and not the only ones, at that) to the same realms of enlightenment, oneness and spirituality. Quibbling about which is best is totally pointless, and it seems to me your parents need a slap in the face with a frozen sword fish.
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badreligion2good said: Did you even bother to read the actual body of his post or anybody else's post? He wasn't asking if it was ok to combine the two belief systems. No one was.
You should at least read what markthegnostic said. It might do you some good. Perhaps you'll begin to think for yourself.
Perhaps you'll consider sending these type of off-topic responses to the intended user through private messages in the future.
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MarkostheGnostic said: It would seem that Buddha wished to annihilate THIS pluralistic understanding of Atman, not Purusha-Atman as the Universal Unconditional Absolute.
Interesting. But as I understand it, early buddhism equated the "unconditioned absolute" with Nirvana aka extinction. This resonates with my personal views also. Mahayana buddhism introduced the Tathagatagarbha (the buddha matrix) idea much later, and the Tathagatagarbha seems to me very much like a conditioned thing even though mahayanists claim it's not.
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Re: Christianity + Buddhism [Re: Rhizoid]
#7233839 - 07/28/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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You may be correct. I do not think historically so much as conceptually. Nirvana often translated as 'extinction,' seems to mean extinction of desire, all of which relates to the world of form. Mind rests in its own formless nature without any grasping, which is to say, total acceptance of the moment -quiescence and acquiescence to the here and now.
So, should I take your word for the Tathagatagarba, or should I rely on D.T. Suzuki's definition?
Thanks for responding.
Peace.
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