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lsa to lsd conversion?
    #7217380 - 07/24/07 12:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

my friend recently confronted me with a guide on how to convert morning glory seeds (lsa) into lsd, and i read the guide but i immediately through the idea out the window. but then i got to thinking, lsa is lysergic acid amide and lsd is lysergic acid diethylamide. and those compounds are almost so incredibly similiar.

and i don't know anything about chemistry really, would it be able to put 2 ethyl groups into that? or something? whatever?

i want to know that if it is possible and easy to actually pull this off? i want to give out the url for the guide but i don't know if thats tolerated in the rules, but if it is then i could give it out.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7217392 - 07/24/07 12:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think you can use lsa as a precursor to lsd:shrug:


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7217405 - 07/24/07 12:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

but i heard that you can actually take lsa and turn it into lsd...

it concerns soaking the seeds in petroleum ether for two days and some soaking in wood alcohol though. theres a process involved but i don't think i can give out the source or all the steps


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7217412 - 07/24/07 12:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You are just extracting the chemicals from the seeds.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7217417 - 07/24/07 12:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

hm. what the fuck. now that i read it, you're absolutely right and i'm a fucking idiot.


wow what a bummer. but at least now i can make lsa capsules! :smile: though thats probably pointless.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7217422 - 07/24/07 12:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i figured it wasn't right because if it was that simple there would be little kids manufacturing lsd everywhere, and that just isn't so, so i knew there was something wrong.

but really

how would i put 2 ethyls on an amide tho? like actually making lsa into lsd, would that require like a lab or some shit?


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7217429 - 07/24/07 12:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah it would almost definantly require a lab


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7217431 - 07/24/07 12:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its not so much as turning it into lsd as it is extracting the lsa from the seeds, its kinda risky though cause you might end up eating ethenol or something. Just look up morning glory seeds on erowid.com and read the extraction methods.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: BenitoBodybag]
    #7217448 - 07/24/07 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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its kinda risky though cause you might end up eating ethenol or something.




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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: BenitoBodybag]
    #7217469 - 07/24/07 12:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:nonono:


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7217918 - 07/24/07 02:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wish there were little kids manufacturing acid everywhere :smirk:


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7218117 - 07/24/07 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you have to ask about something like this you cannot do it. Unless you're majoring in organic chemistry. Even if you were why wouldn't you just start with lysergic acid like everyone else?


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7218813 - 07/24/07 06:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

as far as i know(first of all don't be dumb use hbwr seeds they're way more potent) you have to break down the lsa into lysergic acid and THEN bond it with diethylamine, i think it would be a lot easier than using the ergot, because it's less poisonous, although there might be a lack of lysergic acid, however, only by a certain amount, hbwr contains A LOT of lysergic acid, which is better? i don't know, ergot grows fast on rye and probably agar, hbwr grows fast in the ground, and the whole plant has lsa's, the seeds just contain non-toxic lsa.
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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7219041 - 07/24/07 07:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i want to know that if it is possible and easy to actually pull this off?



if it were easy, lsd would be as common as lsa.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: lysergicide]
    #7219168 - 07/24/07 07:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You could, but it would require more than an extraction.. LSA -> LSD is a multistep chemical synthesis.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: Acyl]
    #7219465 - 07/24/07 08:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's the anarchist cookbok, isnt it? :rolleyes:


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7219528 - 07/24/07 08:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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robbyberto said:
If you have to ask about something like this you cannot do it.





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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7219609 - 07/24/07 09:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's the anarchist cookbok, isnt it? :rolleyes:




I thought that book was a joke?

Try looking into simpler synthesis?
MDMA perhaps? TMA-2?
search around for Rhodium's archive.. or the ArcHive

the LSD synthesis is pretty fucking complex. period.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7219711 - 07/24/07 09:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, you could make acid. The hard part would be getting the reagents. The glassware can be made/ bought. Most labwork doesn't involve much more that glorified coffee cups and a kitchen stove. At most a still. Purifications really the problem I see, but even that can be done to some extent via recrystallisations and washes.

Yeah, though, the prob w/ lysergic acid is that it has some vulnerable points on it that are going to be more reactive than the site you want to ehthylate. If this weren't so, you could absolutly add 2+ molar equivalents N sodium ehtylamine {edit: N sodium ethylamide; damn nomenclature) and make LSA into LSD.


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Re: lsa to lsd conversion? [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #7219835 - 07/24/07 09:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

dirtworshipper said:
Quote:

Justice_Fish said:
It's the anarchist cookbok, isnt it? :rolleyes:




I thought that book was a joke?





It is.


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