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 zdev
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 Why Shrooms and not LSA? 
#7194072 - 07/18/07 09:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shrooms are so intensive to make. They take so long, and the yield is pretty damn low if you don't know what you're doing. Having never done LSA (Halfway between Morning Glory and LSD) I don't know how much the mushroom experience differs from LSA. It's just...LSA takes so much less to make, and it's so fast, with a big yield. If you dont know how to make LSA there's a poorly written guide here, but it works:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1450
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: zdev]
#7194180 - 07/18/07 09:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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lsa is lame i never liked it just make lsd.and shrooms are way fuckin easy to make with decent yields.Look at weed it takes 6 months to get a good harvest i can get a few o's of mushies within a month.
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: zdev]
#7194216 - 07/18/07 09:38 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The "LSA" trip is quite different from a psilocybin trip, let me tell you.
The most marked difference between the two is that LSA generally doesn't bring about any sort of visual hallucinations.
In all of my numerous LSA trips, from both Morning Glory and HBWR, I've never experienced any real visuals. Commonly I'll have a heightened appreciation for color, but it doesn't go far beyond that.
While LSA will definitely teach you something, I get the feeling that it isn't really what most people are looking for. Psilocybin is the closest alternative to the LSD experience I think many people are trying to obtain through a growable medium, thus the reason why they turn to mushrooms and not Morning Glory or HBWR.
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7194229 - 07/18/07 09:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because many people do not find LSA to be very enjoyable. With shrooms, you just buy your 8th and gobble up - with LSA, if you eat the seeds straight up - you generally need to deal with quite a bit of nausea (for most), or go through an extraction to try and minimize those effects.
LSA can also come with some nasty constriction and tensing in the muscles / legs, to the point of being difficult for some people to even walk.
The time I did LSA, I went from
- Feeling initial effects almost instantly
- Feeling sick by 30 mins
- Spending 2 hours feeling "oh god, I just poisoned myself"
- Spent quite a bit of time having extremely heavy vomiting over my toilet
- Laying on my bed twitching uncontrollably
- Audio distortions so bad I could no longer understand anything said to me
- Still not being 100% back to sober nearly 18 hours after taking them
Dont get me wrong - was an AMAZING trip and highly rewarding, however it was not very recreational in nature and took ALLOT out of me mentally and physically.
As amazing as it was, its also not an experience I'm leaping to repeat - atleast frequently. I will be doing it again sometime soon, as I do think its a worthwhile trip, and it is different from LSD and Mushrooms (I have access to both, so doing LSA isnt because I cant get them), but not one I'd consider very recreational for the most part.
IMO - LSA as a replacement for Mushrooms or LSD is a poor one. However, LSA as a substance worth doing / expierencing in it's own right - very much so.
Edited by kaniz (07/18/07 09:41 PM)
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: kaniz]
#7194287 - 07/18/07 09:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tried LSA via some ufo, or blue saucers or whatever they are called Morning glory seeds.
They are kinda shitty. nothing really happened except for a feeling of my stomach being pissed that I ate something so shitty. They were really hard to chew and I guess you are supposed to chew them really good to "get" the lsa from them or whatever.....
If I ever do it again, since it was so weak the first time I would get probably three times the recommended amount, and grind it up with a coffee grinder and maybe use some sort of alcohol to grind it into a super fine paste.
but again weak, and not worth my time.
although reading the previous post, I wouldn't recommend doing them, try San Pedro, much better, although equally shitty tasting (much worse even).
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: kaniz]
#7194340 - 07/18/07 10:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dont get me wrong - was an AMAZING trip and highly rewarding, however it was not very recreational in nature and took ALLOT out of me mentally and physically.
I'm not sure if it's simply a common theme amongst people I know, but I've come to understand Morning Glory and HBWR as "healing seeds" of a sort. By that I mean they always seem to put things into perspective, especially life issues (which can be both good and bad), allowing you to pull out of the situation and assess it critically.
And I certainly agree -- not recreational in the least. Very much a tool for spiritual growth, though.
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: Elementium]
#7194393 - 07/18/07 10:11 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont know what you mean about not getting any visuals
on LSA the visuals were WAAAAY intense for me...walls melting, colors changing, patterns, objects morphing, etc...
I thought LSA was great, maybe not as recreational as mushrooms or lsd, but definately a trip...
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i wouldn't say any of them are really a replacement for any, mushrooms certainly aren't a replacement for lsd, they're definitely they're own drug and in some ways better than lids, i feel like lsd is much more clean and hyper and shrooms are more hazy and earthy
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In my experience, I've never had a visual LSA trip. Nor anyone I know personally.
I have read a few trip reports where people have had intense visuals, though. Whether these are individuals that are very sensitive to the alkaloids present in Morning Glory and HBWR, or there's some other unknown factor, I'm not sure.
I can only really draw on my own experiences in the end, and they suggest to me that LSA isn't a visual trip.
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: Elementium]
#7194462 - 07/18/07 10:24 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Though I have yet to try it, I understand LSH is visual and LSA is not at all.
I want to try both someday, though.
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: BlindSophist]
#7194480 - 07/18/07 10:27 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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lsa sucks man its not worth eating 500 seeds of pure nausea, plus its hardly an experience,
dont be jewish
buy spores!
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: wutang]
#7194501 - 07/18/07 10:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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 Hbwr seeds are extremely visual I have used them about 15 times ranging from 10 to 15 seeds. I have only had one bad trip on them. Usually the seeds lead me to feelings of ecstasy .
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: zdev]
#7194512 - 07/18/07 10:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I had very intense visual/audio hallucinations on LSA. Why do shrooms instead? I've never thrown up on mushrooms (highest dose was 8 dry grams).
With LSA I felt like I was poisoned. The seeds didn't taste that bad when I ate them, but while I was throwing up...NASTY SHIT! If you're too lazy to grow mushrooms, LSA is probably the way to go? 
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: CosmicStorm]
#7194534 - 07/18/07 10:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmmm... Interesting.
Perhaps I should consider trying a different source for my HBWR, then.
I've always purchased the highest quality available from my supplier, but never tried various sources.
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kaniz
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: Elementium]
#7194566 - 07/18/07 10:47 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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When I did LSA, it was with 17 HBWR seeds. I found the trip to be very visual, and my visuals were very malleable - I could think "I want to see a dancing monkey", and my couch would start to be covered in dancing monkeys (its a very trippy couch, tacky ugly thing from the 17s with this crazy cold flower print on it, watching it is a trip when tripping).
I also found that I felt very giddy/silly the day after. I took the seeds at around 8 or 9pm, and even well into the afternoon of the next day I still felt like I was some-what tripping. Felt very giddy, silly, playful - ended up doing a small amount of mushrooms at 5pm to cap off the weekend, so not sure at what point I would of been 100% down or not, but it was a very long haul with long lasting after effects.
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: kaniz]
#7194629 - 07/18/07 11:03 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Highest dose I've ever done was 12 HBWR, and it was quite a challenge. No visuals, though my hearing was quite twisted.
Would you mind sharing your source (PM, of course)? Until now I'd in a sense written HBWR off as something I'd experienced to my satisfaction. It would seem my curiosity has been piqued anew, however.
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: Elementium]
#7194759 - 07/18/07 11:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSA is week LSD or Shrooms are by far the best. Well Good LSD hard to find anymore. But I still find it!!
I once figured out the meaning of life and damnit I forgot to write it down!!!
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For anyone who wants to try LSA I've done it recently and I had a horrible experience. I used Hawwian Woodrose Seed which have more lsa than mornimg glory. You only have to eat about 8 seeds.
MY PROBLEMS
-I got extremely sick and vomited repeatedly.
-I didn't notice any positive effects at all
-I felt extremely sedated and fell asleep
-I got horrible cramps in my legs which lasted until the next day.
The next day I felt horrible like I had ingested poison.
-Its nothing shrooms or LSD and I wouldn't waste time or money doing it.
But maybe some have had positive experiences
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: zdev]
#7196570 - 07/19/07 09:45 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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... Now LSA crystals on the other hand are badass and i say why not Shrooms and LSA like if someone were to take some LSA crystals at night wake up STOL tripping then eat mushrooms and sip on ayahuasca.
some thing i might add about Morning glory once before eating em i watched a special winamp visualizer then when i started to trip later that night i saw strong open eye visuals so i assume to have strong open eye visuals one just needs to wish to see em or prepare their mind.
my first attempts with LSA via morning glories were very painful but i learn it was all due to my intent i was rather silly then and was missing the big picture. also i think if you tripping and your complaining oh this sucks im not seeing shit, you should be slapped when intensely tripping so your mind is fucked to hell.
When you use it for the sole intent of healing it becomes a very different thing and there is no distortion.
Distortion only occurs of you treat them with a distorted mind,,
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Edited by thedudenj (07/19/07 09:52 AM)
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Re: Why Shrooms and not LSA? [Re: kaniz]
#7197261 - 07/19/07 01:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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kaniz said:
When I did LSA, it was with 17 HBWR seeds. I found the trip to be very visual, and my visuals were very malleable - I could think "I want to see a dancing monkey", and my couch would start to be covered in dancing monkeys (its a very trippy couch, tacky ugly thing from the 17s with this crazy cold flower print on it, watching it is a trip when tripping).
I also found that I felt very giddy/silly the day after. I took the seeds at around 8 or 9pm, and even well into the afternoon of the next day I still felt like I was some-what tripping. Felt very giddy, silly, playful - ended up doing a small amount of mushrooms at 5pm to cap off the weekend, so not sure at what point I would of been 100% down or not, but it was a very long haul with long lasting after effects.
On three separate occasions Ive had that giddiness last two days after.
Ive always had amazing visuals on the substance, though only when i found the right source.
The only thing that sucked besides some nausea, was trying to do my 3 mile jog the next morning. NOT SMART. The most Ive puked..EVER. And the pain in my legs was horrible.
Worthwhile adventures none the less
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