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NZ painter Philip Clairmont [Re: Crystal G]
    #7172020 - 07/13/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Those of you interested in schizophrenia, psychedelics and art might like to check out this New Zealand painter: Art NZ article
Just did a quick google search to find these articles, there may be better ones but I just want to introduce people to this great and sadly, lost talent...


art and psychopathology

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In his later years Clairmont was intrigued by the work of Louis Wain, the British cat painter who suffered from late-onset schizophrenia and whose paintings display those same characteristics Clairmont first observed in the 1963 publication. But, in many ways, the initial stylistic impetus provided by psychiatric art was superseded by that of German Expressionism, (12) Surrealism, the art of Francis Bacon and numerous others, aspects of which Clairmont selected and combined to create his own distinctive style



Yeah, love his work, check it out yourself, hope this doesn't qualify as a highjack :shocked: and let me also plug his mate Tony Fomison while I'm on an art riff... enjoy!

Staircase night Triptych:



Past, present, future, Tony Fomison:



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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7172911 - 07/13/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I found those cat's reall relly cool. How is one diagnosed accuratley as to whether they are schizo? Can you self diagnose?




No, because psychologists study so many archetypes and divisions of the psyche and even then it is sometimes hit-and-miss (I had a theory that psychiatrists simply label anything they do not understand as schizo). The average person who does not know the full spectrum of personality disorders, could get stuck on this loop after reading only about 1 or 2, when in reality there could be a myriad of other possibilities. If they get too far in this loop they could be labelled a hypochondriac.

Secondly, if you are the one who has a mental illness, depending on how severe it is, it technically means you are mentally incapable of making decisions or observing your own nature from a rational perspective.

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: MorphMan]
    #7172927 - 07/13/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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huh? what happens when you click that you ave over 18? its not like theres any pornography in it or anyting, its just advised for mature audiences.


as for anybody else who posted ill post a response when im not so "mind-altered"




I tried to use that link too but it wouldn't let me in. It wanted me to register or sign up before I could see it. That is really cool though that you are an official author and actually wrote a book! I've always wanted to and eventually I will get around to it but props to you. :mushroom2:




OKAY! I think I changed ALL the settings so that anybody can see it now!!! Jeez, I wished somebody had told me about this sooner so I could have modified it... let me know if it works now.

http://www.lulu.com/content/617721

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: Crystal G]
    #7173013 - 07/13/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I am a schizophrenic.
I also prefer the term schizotypal.
I get visuals from 5-10 mics too.

I live in a sheltered state though.
Very comfortable.

It has not bothered me yet, but it might one day.

Most psychologists would say I fit the mold.

I wouldnt trade my mold for anything.

Im a fucking weirdo, and I can accept that Im different.
Im glad that Im not paranoid about this fact.
Just look at my artwork.
It went from realism to insane abstract patterns during the progression into this place.
I still see patterns everywhere, visually and everywhere else.

I dont use psychedelics anymore, and I have never had a so called breakdown.
I have used huge amounts of psychedelics.
The fact that I am so weird made my experiences with psychedelics much different than most peoples. Even from the beginning.

Schizophrenia is just a word, and some people have more negative effects than others.

I dont view it as a bad thing unless you have a really nasty case of it.
I have the disorder on both sides of my family, one suicide.

Im one of the most content people I know, and my mind thus far allows me to be so different.
When it feels wrong will be when the problems start.

I have a good friend who is on meds for this disorder, because his approach to life is different than mine, and he has a more extreem version of this "disorder".
It got the best of him one day, and thats why he has been on meds for about 5 years.

I know there are people who I cant read as well. Those people are on my side of the fence and with me all the way.
Everyone else, couldnt imagine what goes on in my head when I talk to them.
The people on my side of the fence know how weird it is to be weird, and thats why we become friends.

It sucks to see everything within a person and almost hate them for making it so easy for you to see.

Schizophrenics are complex people generally.
They will let you see them when they are not looking, and will love you for being just another weirdo who gets this complex illness.



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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: yageman]
    #7173083 - 07/13/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I am a schizophrenic.
I also prefer the term schizotypal.





Schizotypical is slightly different from schizophrenia, although I do tend to classify myself more as a schizoid than schizophrenic--is this just a common thing with schizophrenics or what, preferring to label themselves something unique and being adamant and self-righteous about it!?!!?!?. LOL DONT ACT LIKE U DONT KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!

hey yageman, have you ever conversed with 4 or 5 of the voices? I'm not going to say more until you respond.

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: Crystal G]
    #7173145 - 07/13/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I understand that. I think I said what I meant, and wanted to convey how my own mind relates greatly to even those who actually feel they need meds.
My family is as full of the genes as you can get. I have also used a shit ton of psychedelics(unlike my friend who honestly was a sort of a victim of this disorder).
He did sell me my first psi mushrooms though.

Schizophrenia is not some cut and dry disorder.

For some people, they welcome its weirdness until they fall victim to it.

As for the voices:
I have not experienced anything like that unless I was on psychedelics and had three or four sets of logic working at the same time.

The overmind of an overmind exponentiated.

Peoples minds work in some vastly different ways. So dont get angry about such bullshit.

I said what I meant.
I have no problem with the fact that people on meds because of this disorder are alot like me.
So what the hell is your problem.
Thats why I consider myself to be schizotypal.

I mean its not multiple personalities we are talking about here.
So I dont care about how many voices you have.
Those voices belong to you.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: yageman]
    #7173159 - 07/13/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

wow that is scary, i hope when i try shrooms it doesnt bring out any mental illnesses

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7173181 - 07/13/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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i had a friend who was very similar to me, and did become skitzophrenic, like in the hospital for several years, heavily medicated at times...
he was cool because he would curse and throw things at cops... and he'd just go to the hospital for a week.

but anyhow, none of us believed he was really crazy despite the evidence. it seemed like something he chose rather than something that was forced on him.

you seem pretty self aware, i'm wondering if you feel that for aware people its becomes a choice at some point (in those who have the pre-disposition)




LOL @ ur friend (the cosp statement)

im just gonna copy and paste another previous post to answer your questions: I've been locked up in the mental institution more than once and I never thought the people I were hearing were "demons." I thought they were real people--say, the nurses, doctors, or somebody else I had just recently met--that were talking about me, plotting against me the second they turned the corner. everybody was in on one bigass plan to kill me, because they didnt think i was worthy of living.

in the hospital i even heard a full-on debate next door, over 4 of the RN's arguing with 3 MD's over whether i should die or not (the nurses, one of who i thought knew me in real life, wanted to give me a lethal potassium injection over some shit that they thought i did but i never really did). the doctors argued that it would look really bad if i died of unknown cause suddenly, and fired the main girl that was instigating the whole thing on the spot. it was then she was so furious that she had lost her job over me, she swore to kill me, and i heard this plan she had about putting hydrogen peroxide in my food to kill me.

IT WAS RIGHT AFTER I HEARD THIS THAT, I SHIT YOU NOT, A NURSE WALKED IN WITH A PLATE OF FOOD.

i know it sounds crazy, but the thing thats so scary about paranoid-schizophrenia is that you can never tell what is real from what is imaginary. many times, it is real-life events such as these that actually support whatever theory is going on in your mind... and.... i really thought i was gonna be killed there. so i would constantly be ripping out my IV's, freaking out whenever a nurse tried to administer a shot to me, and refused to eat the whole time i was there.

it was only until they released me and i went home, and was all alone in my house and still hearing voices, that i realized it MAY have all been imaginary.

i began getting confused, because the voices were obviously coming from my mind, and they were saying such horrible things about me... but i never believed i had low self-esteem... not like that, anyways! so i decided to do something no sane person would have done. i decided to talk back to the voices. because if you want to solve a problem, you have to start from its ORIGIN right?!?!!

so i made conversation with them, tried to understand their reasoning behind why they hated me so much, why i didnt deserve to live.
i attempted justifying myself, trying to come to a compromise, but GODDAMN those voices were STUBBORN AS HELL. AND KEEP IN MIND I SPENT 3 FULL FUCKEN DAYS IN MY ROOM TRYING TO COME TO TERMS WITH THEM. ANYTHING i said was immediately disregarded... i dont think u truly understand what it means to be a goddamn crazy, until you actually start fighting with imaginary voices, and get so fed up with them, that you give up and it escalates into an all-out vocal brawl.

I finally HAD IT with them. I thought we could all live in unison like one big content family, but they would not budge one inch. It was then I started screaming at them to get out of my life and fuck off, because I didnt want to hear their bullshit anymore. i did this for about an hour before getting tired of that too.

and you know what the most amazing thing is? The next day, after I slept and woke up, the voices had magically disappeared! I couldn't believe it! this problem that I was continually having for so long, had gone away all on its own... without the aid of any antidepressants, antipsychotics, medications.......

WHICH MEANS: That in the end, YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE CONSCIOUS CONTROL OVER YOUR LIFE. YOU control your subconscious, and whatever it is that you perceive, and the manner in which it is perceived, is really a manifestation of your OWN CONSCIOUS MIND!!! what it is you see, what it is you hear, as well as what it is you don't want to see, and don't want to hear!

as strange as this sounds, actually having all the mental breakdowns I did and getting locked up in the insane asylum, and having it all lead to that shattering epiphany... it was a really touching experience, that I will never forget.


I have been consciously directing whatever mental path I go from then on. It's kind of creepy... If I want to see visuals, I can concentrate and see auras. I can also make them go away just like that. It's like magic, the mind.

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: yageman]
    #7173202 - 07/13/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I understand that.  I think I said what I meant, and wanted to convey how my own mind relates greatly to even those who actually feel they need meds.
  My family is as full of the genes as you can get.  I have also used a shit ton of psychedelics(unlike my friend who honestly was a sort of a victim of this disorder).
He did sell me my first psi mushrooms though.

Schizophrenia is not some cut and dry disorder.

  For some people, they welcome its weirdness until they fall victim to it.

  As for the voices:
I have not experienced anything like that unless I was on psychedelics and had three or four sets of logic working at the same time.

The overmind of an overmind exponentiated.

Peoples minds work in some vastly different ways.  So dont get angry about such bullshit.

  I said what I meant.
  I have no problem with the fact that people on meds because of this disorder are alot like me.
  So what the hell is your problem.
Thats why I consider myself to be schizotypal.

  I mean its not multiple personalities we are talking about here.
So I dont care about how many voices you have.
  Those voices belong to you.




LOL I'm not angry or trying to judge you dude, I'm trying to crack jokes with you, that maybe you are not understanding because you are not familiar with the voices.
a different lobe of your brain is active to mine,
i have a feeling yours may be the occipitals
and mine the temporal
so our relational ramblings we do not see eye to eye
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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: AbyssWP]
    #7173249 - 07/13/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think the most of the magic resides in what could be considered to be a mental illness.

Otherwise, you are just experiencing the same shit most people have seen.-----> Killer visuals, and some psychedelic laughs with friends.

SOme people have no fucking clue how closely the psychedelic experience can be linked to schizophrenic symptoms.

Most people dont know because who would take these drugs if they knew that the best stuff is beyond your culture and beyond your mind.

Whos out there that wants to be that different?

I was not saying that I became schizotypal/phrenic because of hallucinogens.
I understand my own weirdness and the disorder that much more is all.

The fact that I am this weird is the same reason why psychedelics seem to give me more to understand than your average joe.

Im not calling anyone here an "average joe".
Im just saying that there are alot of joes out there, and I dont have much in common with them.

I prefer weird folks who understand why I know that I could have flipped my lid long ago, and know damn well that schizotypal and schizophrenic couldnt be more similare.

Its an interesting subject that I know alot about.

Dont be scared because of the truth.

Most people can party with shrooms or lsd for years before feeling a bit weird about their own state of mind.

Yep, this shit sticks.

Dont deny it.
It starts somewhere, and ends somewhere.
If you have the balls and are not bothered by it, then it could be a life-long hobbie.
Increasing and reducing the doses as fits for you.


I was not intending on freaking people out.
I am not a typical shroom user, and neither was my schizo friend.
Not many people like us, and thats why we are very friendly toward eachother.
This is not normal.
Thats why schizophrenia is considered to be a disorder for the most part.


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Edited by yageman (07/13/07 11:25 PM)

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: Crystal G]
    #7173269 - 07/13/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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yageman said:
I understand that.  I think I said what I meant, and wanted to convey how my own mind relates greatly to even those who actually feel they need meds.
  My family is as full of the genes as you can get.  I have also used a shit ton of psychedelics(unlike my friend who honestly was a sort of a victim of this disorder).
He did sell me my first psi mushrooms though.

Schizophrenia is not some cut and dry disorder.

  For some people, they welcome its weirdness until they fall victim to it.

  As for the voices:
I have not experienced anything like that unless I was on psychedelics and had three or four sets of logic working at the same time.

The overmind of an overmind exponentiated.

Peoples minds work in some vastly different ways.  So dont get angry about such bullshit.

  I said what I meant.
  I have no problem with the fact that people on meds because of this disorder are alot like me.
  So what the hell is your problem.
Thats why I consider myself to be schizotypal.

  I mean its not multiple personalities we are talking about here.
So I dont care about how many voices you have.
  Those voices belong to you.




LOL I'm not angry or trying to judge you dude, I'm trying to crack jokes with you, that maybe you are not understanding because you are not familiar with the voices.
a different lobe of your brain is active to mine,
i have a feeling yours may be the occipitals
and mine the temporal
so our relational ramblings we do not see eye to eye
peace :peace:




No, speak.

I see eye to eye.

  And think what you said was both strangely standoffish and very true.

  Not much more for me to say....

  Dont assume anything about my brain though..... that shit is just comedy.  You dont have a clue about me, and I know little about you.
  I made a claim, and you dont have to believe it either.

Lobe you!


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You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: yageman]
    #7173594 - 07/14/07 01:49 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

yea I saw this anti drug website that said the first picture was done by a man before he took LSD and the last one is when he finally kicked the bucket.
Shot at 2007-07-14
this guy lived in the 1800's lol


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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: clemens]
    #7173635 - 07/14/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Personally I found his latter works to be far more beautiful. Particularly the top right, and the bottom 2nd one to the left. It reonates with my frequency. lmaooooooooooo to the comment about the guy taking lsd though lmaoooooooooooooooooo

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: Crystal G]
    #7174407 - 07/14/07 10:32 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

What dumbass didn't even do research on the the time period the guy lived in. The first 3 are good but after that he is to insane for me, I like it but you can tell the guy was going insane.


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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: clemens]
    #7174511 - 07/14/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

even if he drew the more abstract ones during the same time as the normal cats, it doesn't mean that you cannot tell the progression of his illness. From what i know at least, schizophrenia slowly comes out and not just *poof*. So no matter of chronological order, it could be still related to his schizophrenia.


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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: SapphireCat]
    #7177175 - 07/14/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Yageman, you seem to touch on some very familiar personal territory.  I don't know exactly what it is that I have, but I'm sure it's something.  And your words are like magick to me.  My family has a long line of mental illness, my grandmother having it the worst. She pretty much has the mind of a 5 year old. Bi-polor, schizo, manic depressive, I have heard all of these terms associated with all of my family memebers, some of them even laying claim to multiple titles, most of them on heavy meds.  She is currently in a nursing home right now, and has been in out and out the hospital most of her life.  This gene was then passed on to her 5 kids and then all of their kids (me and my cousins) 2 of my cousins became heroin addicts and one was fucked up on all kinds of drugs.  I'm nuts about psychs and weed, my brother a big roid head.

I have always said weed is my classic, but psychedelics are my favorite. 

It just seems that drugs fuse better with our brain chemistry over "the average joe's".  Which has been a bad thing for most, but a good thing in some rare instances.

I dont really know what is wrong with me, but even though I, and everyone that knows me thinks I'm completely nuts, i do know i am able to function "normally" day to day, just always have an underlying, weird and creepy presence, but i am able to keep it under wraps so that "the matrix" doesn't find out.  Until people get to know me and see me everyday like co-workers.  I have been told by co-workers before that they never talked to me because i was "very out there".  I guess they are able to tell I'm a weirdo once their around me for enough time.  I can't control it 24/7.  :smile:

I find myself very sensitive to drugs, yet having a high tolerance.

Its interesting how you were kind of able to describe your situation, at least well enough that i was able to pick up on key notes.  can you suggest some good reads about things in that particular direction?

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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

Edited by agoutihead (07/14/07 11:43 PM)

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: agoutihead]
    #7177182 - 07/14/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

thank you for this post. it is absolutely fascinating. Rekindles my love for neuroscience!

What's amazing is how the cats slowly become lighthearted to menacingly demented. Shows the true onset of paranoia; what a horrible state to be in. When something so beautiful becomes suspicious.


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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7177307 - 07/15/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

wow, a thousand thank yous for sharing :thumbup:

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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: Crystal G]
    #7177543 - 07/15/07 02:01 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Very interesting how you yelled at the voices to go away and then the next morning they were gone, Crystal. I had a very similar experience with night terrors when I was a young kid, maybe 6 or 7 years old. Every night I would have terrifying nightmare after nightmare, usually 20 nightmares in a row, scared to death to fall asleep again. One night I yelled at my mind, pleaded with it to stop the nightmares.

I pleaded for what must have been an hour or two before I fell asleep, my pillows stained with tears. That night I didn't have one nightmare! And I had barely any after that as well.

I don't really know how someone finds out they are schizophrenic, I think we are all schizophrenic to a degree - or is this something only a crazy person believes?


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Re: Schizophrenic Painter Louis Wain--Fractals and How Mental Illness Relates to Psychedelic Imagery [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7177734 - 07/15/07 03:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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cowabunga_dude said:
Very interesting how you yelled at the voices to go away and then the next morning they were gone, Crystal. I had a very similar experience with night terrors when I was a young kid, maybe 6 or 7 years old. Every night I would have terrifying nightmare after nightmare, usually 20 nightmares in a row, scared to death to fall asleep again. One night I yelled at my mind, pleaded with it to stop the nightmares.

I pleaded for what must have been an hour or two before I fell asleep, my pillows stained with tears. That night I didn't have one nightmare! And I had barely any after that as well.




Yeah... I don't know why I started yelling at the voices, it was a last resort option, because I knew if I kept listening to them and having night terrors (I used to get sleep paralysis every night) it would continue driving me into psychosis.

The most interesting thing that I found about directing the disturbances to cease again and again in your mind with bold firmness, is that IT ACTUALLY WORKS. Meaning that essentially, you consciously direct every aspect of your life--what you perceive, the direction you choose, the morals and ethics you stand by. Even the sub-conscious is programmed through years of brainwashing, and can so easily be re-directed with your own conscious will or effort.

This is the reason my outlook on spirituality has changed. Before, I used to believe that when I was in a dream-like state, or on psychedelics, it gave me extra-sensory perception that granted me insight beyond the external world...a look into the "quantum soup" so to speak. Now however, I know that these deities and creatures were all simply manifestations of different aspects of my personality, or my feelings of the surroundings I was placed in (and not the actual surrounding themsleves).

The only thing I will never be able to explain however, is synchronicity (the mathematics of the universe). But still, that does not guarantee spirituality; it only makes it spiritual if you attach spiritual meaning to it.

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