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Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!)
    #7156809 - 07/10/07 03:09 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

got some qustions for you guys if you don't mind-

1)Psilocybe caerulipes is supposed to be native in North Carolina, does anybody hunt, clutivate or have any info on this shroom?

2) Do you have any species to add which are known in these areas??

3) Would it be fair to say all of the following species occur in the Piedmont, foothills and mountains of North Carolina, Piedmont, foothills, and mountains of South Carolina, Southern Virginian Piedmont, Western , and Northern Georgia-

Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii
Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens
Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus (Are these correct synonms?)
Panaeolus subbalteatus
Psilocybe caerulescens
Psilocybe caerulipes
Psilocybe coprophila
Psilocybe cubensis
Psilocybe cyanescens


I really need help from my southern hunters, I'm trying to write a guide and I want reliable modern infromation, please help

Heres my guide so far, Suggestions as to what to add would be appreciated!

A Mushroom Hunter’s Guide to Kak’alakcy-
This guide covers- The Piedmont, foothills and mountains of North Carolina, Piedmont, foothills, and mountains of South Carolina, Southern Virginian Piedmont, Western Tennessee, and Northern Georgia




~List of Mushrooms described in this Guide-
Amanita muscaria-
Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii
Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens
Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus
Panaeolus subbalteatus
Psilocybe caerulescens
Psilocybe caerulipes
Psilocybe coprophila
Psilocybe cubensis
Psilocybe cyanescens

~Common Names-
Amanita muscaria- “Mario Mushroom” or
Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii ~“Foes” or “The Latent Psilocybain”
Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens ~ “Copes”
Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus ~ “Paps”
Panaeolus subbalteatus ~ “Subbs”
Psilocybe caerulescens
Psilocybe caerulipes
Psilocybe coprophila ~ “Dung Lovin’ Psilocybe”
Psilocybe cubensis ~ “‘Shroom of the South” or “Cubes”
Psilocybe cyanescens


~When To Go Out Hunting-
Mushrooms can be found at all times except in the dead of winter.
The best time to usually go mushroom hunting is in the morning or the late evening after some rain.
High humidity and moisture is key. Some mycelium grows rapidly within two-five days after rain But then some can take up to 6 weeks to start. It really depends on genetics.
If it rains to much, the soil will become soggy and won’t produce any ‘shrooms.

~Where To Look-
Amanita muscaria-
Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii- Grassy Areas
Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens- Dung
Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus-
Panaeolus subbalteatus- Dung and well fertilized grassy areas.
Psilocybe caerulescens-
Psilocybe caerulipes-
Psilocybe coprophila- Dung
Psilocybe cubensis- Dung
Psilocybe cyanescens- Mulch or deadwood.




~A Few Simple Principals-
Always be 100% sure of a specimens exact identity before ingesting it.
Do not collect any fungi you don't intend to use.
Respect and protect other species, including poisonous ones.
Do not any collect rare species. As well as being endangered, rare species are often hard to identify.
Record accurately the localities and habitat data of any valuable fungi.
Do not collect ''buttons'' (mushrooms that have not expanded) or small mushrooms; They are hard to identify, Allowing them to expand will also let them reproduce and also result in a larger 'shroom.
Collect only enough mushrooms for personal use; Don’t excessively profit from nature’s gifts, and NEVER reveal the location of your secret ‘shroom patch.




"All mushrooms are edible; but some only once." ~Croatian proverb



~Know What You Don’t Want-

If someone is looking for active ‘shrooms they can knock out the majority of the deadly poisonous mushrooms by following a few simple rules.

One, You should be looking for active ‘shrooms with gills (Agaricales). Not mushrooms with pores (Boletes). The active mushrooms you are looking for should have Black (Panaeolus = Copelandia spp.) or chocolate-brown to purple-brown spores and spore prints (Psilocybes).

Forget the minor species of Gymnopilus, Conocybe, Inocybes and those species which have white, orange, cinnamon, or rust colored gills and spore prints. Forget about those species.

Do not pick any orange, cinnamon or rust colored mushrooms. The three deadly species of Galerina and one species of Concoybe (Conocybe filaris) have orange gills.

And avoid any white gilled mushrooms. That would include all of the deadly Amanita mushrooms such as Amanita Phalloides, Amanita verna, etc. Note- You may harvest wild Amanita muscaria if your extremely careful, make sure it has a bright red or orange cap, do not pick amanitas with lighter colored caps.

Boletes, even bluing ones, should never be eaten. They have sponge like pores on the underside of the cap, instead of gills like those of active mushrooms.


~Know your Poisonous Species-
Agaricus xanthodermis
Amanita spp.
Boletus satanas
Chlorophyllum molybdites
Conocybe coprophila
Conocybe filaris
Cortinarius rubellus
Galerina marginata=Galerina autumnalis=Galerina venenata
Galerina pseudomycenopsis
Galerina badipes
Hebeloma insigne
Hypholoma fasciculare
Inocybe sororia
Lactarius uvidus
Lepiota brunneoincarnata
Lepiota helveola
Lepiota josserandii
Lepiota lutea
Russula emetica
Stropharia aeruginosa
And many, many, more!












Galerinas, and Conocybe filaris, which are extremely poisonous mushrooms, are commonly found in mulched gardens, and have been observed sharing the same habitat as Psilocybe cyanescens and other Psilocybes; They also may resemble some active species like those in the genus Gymnopilus (not covered in this guide) and Psilocybes.

Another example of misidentification involves Chlorophyllum molybdites, a species commonly referred to as "green gills" or "Morgan’s" Lepiota.. Chlorophyllum molybdites is usually mistaken for Psilocybe cubensis in the South.





~How to identify a Mushroom-
Note the Cap
Note the Gills
Note the Stalk (Stipe)
Note any Veils
Note it’s Habitat
Note the Spores~ Make a Spore Print- Remove the stem from the cap. Place the cap on a piece of white paper; Black if the spores are white, like with Amanita spp. Allow it to sit 1-24 hours. When you pick up the cap you’ll have a spore print.

Take very descriptive notes while the mushroom is fresh; dried mushrooms look completely different from fresh ones.
Consult guides, the internet, books and pictures until you’re 100% sure before ingesting your specimen.



Amanita muscaria-
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii ~ “The Latent Psilocybain” or “Foes”
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-




Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens ~ “Copes”
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


Panaeolus subbalteatus
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


Psilocybe caerulescens
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


Psilocybe caerulipes
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


Psilocybe coprophila
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


Psilocybe cubensis
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


Psilocybe cyanescens
Note the Cap-
Note the Gills or Tubes or Teeth-
Note the Stalk (Stipe)-
Note the Veils-
Note it’s Habitat-
Note the Spores-
Comments-


There it is!! What do you think?? Note- I don't need info on the cap, stem, or gills of each shroom, but any other info would be great, espeically under the "comments" section for each shroom....


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7156824 - 07/10/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

also if anyone knows any poisonous or "look-a-like" species for this area please post those as well


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7156931 - 07/10/07 03:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

> 1)Psilocybe caerulipes is supposed to be native in North Carolina, does anybody hunt, clutivate or have any info on this shroom?

Maybe, but if so, probably only earlier than this in the year.

> Panaeolina foenisecii= Panaeolus foenisecii

You don't want those.

> Panaeolus cyanescens = Coplandia cyanescens

Maybe, but if so, rarely, and only in dung, more likely near the coast.

Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus (Are these correct synonms?)

No, not synonyms.

Panaeolus papilionaceus (= Panaeolus papilionaceus var. papilionaceus) Photo: http://mushroomobserver.org/2895
Panaeolus sphinctrinus Photo: http://mushroomobserver.org/1853
Panaeolus campanulatus sensu auct. brit., (= Panaeolus papilionaceus var. parvisporus) Photo: http://mushroomobserver.org/2553

> Psilocybe caerulescens

No, I really don't think this grows in north carolina, it is a Mexican species.

> Psilocybe caerulipes

See blue foot, search for it in the forum search engine.

> Psilocybe coprophila

Not active.

> Psilocybe cubensis

Rarely, and only in dung, more likely near the coast.

> Psilocybe cyanescens

I really don't think so, it is a west coast species.


> Amanita muscaria-

This is probably not what people are looking for.

> Panaeolus papilionaceus = Panaeolus sphinctrinus = Panaeolus campanulatus

Maybe some of these species are weakly active.

> Panaeolus subbalteatus

A sure bet.

> Amanita muscaria-

Found around pine trees.



You could also mention the active bluing Gymnopilus species.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7157019 - 07/10/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Alan said it all..

I can't say anything that he didn't already post..

All I can say is keep your eye out for the cubes .. They are wonderful here in the carolinas
I have yet to find a cope or a gym .. I'm looking hard tho' ....


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: RandomHero]
    #7157047 - 07/10/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

ok thanks, any info is helpful....


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7157048 - 07/10/07 04:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

if hunters from these states could list all the species they've EVER found (not just this season) that would be great...


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7157076 - 07/10/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

thats asking alot..
but I'll get around to it...eventualy..gimme a few


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: RandomHero]
    #7157914 - 07/10/07 08:05 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I learned a little from this. Thanks!


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7157986 - 07/10/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Dude this is awesome as I line in Virginia, I can't wait till you have finished this.

But as far as the foes and copriphila, I have found both of these before thinking they were active (when I was a noob) so you might want to include them as look-alikes and common misconceptions.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7157994 - 07/10/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

im on NC/VA border in the central piedmont. First year hunting, and so far only found around 3gs dried worth of Pann. Subbs.

Im really interested to these answers as well.

Really prayin for more rain. Got a couple hour shower today, and ill prolly hunt tomorrow. Just sooo dry here atm.

Good luck and wish me luck.

T

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
    #7158028 - 07/10/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

reafer99 said:
im on NC/VA border in the central piedmont. First year hunting, and so far only found around 3gs dried worth of Pann. Subbs.

Im really interested to these answers as well.

Really prayin for more rain. Got a couple hour shower today, and ill prolly hunt tomorrow. Just sooo dry here atm.

Good luck and wish me luck.

T




I'm about an hour away from you I think. I also got a heavy shower today, probably the same one you got. Tomorrow looks like a good time to hunt.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Jair]
    #7159663 - 07/11/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Unfortunately, blue meanies :evil: won't be found in this range.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #7160703 - 07/11/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

So far havnt found enough for a good trip. Prolly have .5 grams of dried subbs left. My first trip attempt was on 3gs dried and was very mild. No visual effects, but i definitely had a buzz. Next time gonna try at least 4-5 grams.

Hopefully i can find enough for a decent trip. Im dying to experience a visual buzz. Done everything under the moon, besides psychedelics. Only because i can never find any. Still on the hunt for lsd and more shrooms.

Jair we outta talk sometime, been needing to broaden my horizons. My atv will be fixed in the next couple weeks. Send a PM.

T

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
    #7160731 - 07/11/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

if you're thinking of a visualy powerful teaching plant experience in terms of a buzz, you're in for a world of tasty incredible.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: canid]
    #7160780 - 07/11/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Woot. Got me all excited now... :smile:

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
    #7160792 - 07/11/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Well, what i am looking for is exactly what u stated. What 3gs of pan subbs gave me was a "buzz". 

I know theres more out there, and maybe "visually powerful teaching" is exactly what ive been searching for. Or give me a different outlook. Always been intrigued in psychedelics, they are just always out of grasp. :frown:

Sorry for off-topic post. Lunch is over, so back to the heat.

T

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
    #7160898 - 07/11/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

ok so can anybody list species for this area? both active and non-active...


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
    #7160932 - 07/11/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Edited by lineman (10/30/07 11:37 AM)

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: lineman]
    #7161369 - 07/11/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

weilii in northern georgia?? Can anybody confirm this?? ARe you positive??


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7161471 - 07/11/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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weilii in northern georgia?? Can anybody confirm this?? ARe you positive??





Never found any, but have heard of people finding shit tons in the gwinette area


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: shagg]
    #7163289 - 07/11/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone ever had success in southeastern VA, Hampton Roads area?

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: calgone47]
    #7163295 - 07/11/07 09:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Anyone ever had success in southeastern VA, Hampton Roads area?




Pan subbs.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Jair]
    #7163780 - 07/11/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

you don't find foes or copriphila to be active? Have you eaten them??


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #7163903 - 07/11/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

blue meanies are C. Cyan. correct? Are you positive they do not occur in this range???


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7163974 - 07/11/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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you don't find foes or copriphila to be active? Have you eaten them??




I have found both a number of times, and have eaten both. I can tell you for a fact that neither of them are active. Books have been calling these two species active for a while now, it's a common misconception.

Quote:

Teotzlcoatl said:
blue meanies are C. Cyan. correct? Are you positive they do not occur in this range???




Copes.

Edit: Also, if you want pics or first had experience help with foes, copriphila or Pann subbs just give me a holler.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Jair]
    #7164003 - 07/11/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Copes.


? What? Coplandia Cyan. are copes? I know that... are copes blue meanies? Do they occur in this range....



TO EVERYONE AT THE SHROOMERY- I am humbly asking for the knowledge of those at the shroomery, please help me complete my guide, anyone with anything to add is a major help, THANKS! I will be sure to post it as soon as it is done...


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7164026 - 07/11/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

That's right. Pan. cyan=cope=blue meanie :evil: If you wanna know why they're called blue meanies, go in the other thread and click on ts727's gallery. :stoned:

I don't recall seeing any finds north of the Fl. line. They are found all along the gulf coast.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7164048 - 07/11/07 11:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Copes.


? What? Coplandia Cyan. are copes? I know that... are copes blue meanies? Do they occur in this range....





Yeah I was agreeing with you Copes are Blue Meanies. They are in America but mostly just the Gulf Coast.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Jair]
    #7164367 - 07/12/07 12:50 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

> weilii in northern georgia?? Can anybody confirm this?? ARe you positive??

Psilocybe weilii range map:



Please people, let me know if any counties need to be added to the above map.

> you don't find foes or copriphila to be active? Have you eaten them??

Yes and no, though I only ate a couple foes and it wouldn't be enough to trip even if they were active. Someone ate 300 foes and got diarrhea, and many people have eaten Psilocybe coprophila and can confirm that it is inactive.

Maybe it would be a good idea to eat foes before bed for the tryptophan and 5-htp.

Might also be a bad idea.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7165663 - 07/12/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

2 qustions

1) why is the range of weilii so limited, it could'nt POSSIBLY occur in southern north carolina or south carolina? Do you think I should include it in my guide??

2) You said Foes contain tryptophan and 5-htp...What are those chemicals? what do they do? can they have any negitive effects?


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7165750 - 07/12/07 11:41 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

(please copy and paste this on to threads about the south, We need as much Info as possible, SOUTHERN HUNTERS UNITE!)

If your a southern hunter, have visited the south, or are just plain smart...WE NEED HELP!!

Please visit http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7156824&page=0&vc=&PHPSESSID=#Post7156824

It is a guide to the south and I very much need help, I want to make the BEST guide possible so i can post it up for all my southern hunters...
I've been working on it for a few months using info from the net, but what i really need is knowledge from the field, people who actually hunt in these areas.
So please, please, please If you've hunted in the Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia please help.
Everybody knows we got cubes at the coast, we don't really need that info. I'm interested in the finds from the mountains, foothills and piedmont of these states.
P.S.- If you've been getting lucky in Kentucky, you can post too, everyone just make sure and tell me what state your in.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7165968 - 07/12/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

> 1) why is the range of weilii so limited, it could'nt POSSIBLY occur in southern north carolina or south carolina? Do you think I should include it in my guide??

Excellent question. I don't know the answer, but some people have speculated that it only likes a certain type of soil which contains a lot of red clay.

It should be included in your guide if your guide includes Georgia. No one has reported finding them outside the state.


> 2) You said Foes contain tryptophan and 5-htp...What are those chemicals? what do they do? can they have any negitive effects?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HTP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan

Those chemicals aren't known to cause negative effects. There might be other chemicals in Pan foes that cause negative effects, which could explain the diarrhea that some people report at high doses. But that could also be caused by eating a whole bunch of raw mushrooms/dirt/bugs/etc.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7166587 - 07/12/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

we can all see this thread. please stop spamming it in every other thread you post in.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: canid]
    #7167249 - 07/12/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

if everyone could list non-active species in this area that would be a great help!


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7167515 - 07/12/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

(please copy and paste this on to threads about the south, We need as much Info as possible, SOUTHERN HUNTERS UNITE!)

If your a southern hunter, have visited the south, or are just plain smart...WE NEED HELP!!

Please visit http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7156824&page=0&vc=&PHPSESSID=#Post7156824

It is a guide to the south and I very much need help, I want to make the BEST guide possible so i can post it up for all my southern hunters...
I've been working on it for a few months using info from the net, but what i really need is knowledge from the field, people who actually hunt in these areas.
So please, please, please If you've hunted in the Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia please help.
Everybody knows we got cubes at the coast, we don't really need that info. I'm interested in the finds from the mountains, foothills and piedmont of these states.
P.S.- If you've been getting lucky in Kentucky, you can post too, everyone just make sure and tell me what state your in.






Your a fuckin dumass to spam your own post. Fuck off!


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: shagg]
    #7167622 - 07/12/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

you fuck off...I'm trying to get info out and create a really quality guide!


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7172839 - 07/13/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

does anybody have anything to add?


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7173777 - 07/14/07 03:59 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

i agree. i need to find out this info about NC.

HOWEVER, i understand that Spammin is not the way to go.
Just remember teo, nobody HAS to reply.

Other than that, thx for the effort you have put in this thread. And thanks to all that contributed. :smile:

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: reafer99]
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7174243 - 07/14/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Good one man! i would have thought that was an active....will it kill you or make you sick if you eat it, or just do nothing?


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7174257 - 07/14/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you so much Alan, that one is going staight in the guide, it even says central NC! thanks!


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7174285 - 07/14/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

activity in the blueing mycenas is suspect [i also am just gaining interest in them and trying to expand my knowledge]; though certainly not established. there are toxic mycenas [containing muscarine i believe] and the toxicity of these species is also unknown. they should not be considered safe for experimentation.

remember that when it comes to experimentation with unknown actives, there is always the possibiity that one discovered will be both psychoactive and seriously toxic.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: canid]
    #7174359 - 07/14/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

ya i was'nt planning on eating any or putting it in the guide as active...i was putting it in as a "look-a-like"...i just wanted to know if it would kill me if i ate it


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7174833 - 07/14/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Eat one and find out.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7175029 - 07/14/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Regarding P. weilii, Georgia. I see no references to North Carolina in any of my files

mj

Again, all of this info has been published over and over in books and guides and is already posted here at the Shroomery

Thopse pages above have numerous followup pages with more listings for books on shrooms of the east, south and southeast USA.

Also Libraries have hundreds of shroom journals which would give you all the info you need, but then again, it is already published here at the shroomery.

mj



Weber, Nancy Smith and Alexander H. Smith. 1985. A Field Guide to Southern Mushrooms. Univ. Michigan Press, Ann Arbor.

mazon.ca: $5 - $10 - Mushrooms / Flora: Books
Guide to eastern mushrooms by E. Barrie Kavasch (Paperback - Jun 1982) ... Fleshy Fungi by Helen V. Smith and Alexander H. Smith (Paperback - Jun 1973) ...
www.amazon.ca/s?ie=UTF8&rh=n%3A950634%2Cp_3%3A%245%20-%20%2410&page=1 - 100k - Cached - Similar pages

gus :: Special groups of fungi -- Encyclopaedia Britannica
... LR Hesler, Mushrooms of the Great Smokies (1960), is a field guide, ... Alexander H. Smith, Mushrooms in Their Natural Habitats, 2 vol.
www.britannica.com/eb/article-57982/fungus - 64k - Cached - Similar pages

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Syllabus for BOTANY, BIO 3013, Fall 2002
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Mushrooms of the Great Smokies: a field guide to some mushrooms and their relatives. Knoxville, TN: The University of Tennessee Press. Holmgren, Noel H. ...
campus.greenmtn.edu/syllabi/bio3013/bio3013_f02_gravesj.pdf - Similar pages

btw, it just took me a little less then ten minutes to gather this data.

You also need to real Guzman, Allen and Gartz, also posted with a link here at the shroomery.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7175054 - 07/14/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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ya i was'nt planning on eating any or putting it in the guide as active...i was putting it in as a "look-a-like"...i just wanted to know if it would kill me if i ate it




Regarding Mycena's with bluing in them. Inocybes with psilocine/psilocybine have no muscarine in them but the more than two hundred other species do.



There are lists of the actives complete at this site and even their look-a-likes.


The Shroomry's Ultimate Guide tells how to differentiate Psilocybe and Panaeolus from all other non-active and ytozic species in simple english without confusing peopple by trying to compare them with other shrooms. They have distinct characteristics which differentiate them form other shrooms so there is no need to confuse everyone with your confusion.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7180080 - 07/15/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

well i guess theres no point in me posting my guide in shroomery then, right?


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7180185 - 07/15/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Don't let Mjshroomer get you down. I am sure the vast majority would appreciate your efforts. There really aren't any comprehensive region specific guides. And the area you are covering is under represented as well. Keep at it.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Workman]
    #7180458 - 07/15/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Speaking of the area not being properly represented...I have been hunting for weeks (we finally started to get some rain and right conditions) and have come across nothing interesting in mississippi. If I do come across anything I will do my best to add to the regional knowledge, but will need your help...a lot of it, as I am new to this great community.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Greanleaf]
    #7180720 - 07/15/07 08:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Greenleaf I'll be sure to get you a copy of my guide.(even tho it doesn't cover you area) just let me know what your findng down there.


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    #7189088 - 07/17/07 05:08 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

does anyone have anything to add?


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    #7206064 - 07/21/07 11:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

p. subbs are every where right now in east TN horse fields my front yard even. i will keep u up things.. hopefully pics soon. HAPPY HUNTING

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mushmanTN]
    #7223188 - 07/25/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Bump

i hate living in north carolina i havent found a singel thing this year but my step brother says his feild behind his house is doing great he has found shrooms everyday for the past 2 weeks (duplin county area)

he isnt a experinced hunter but by what he said he has found on the net one of the kinds he has found is:
Panaeolus bispora
copelandia bispora

think they are both actives

Dont take my word on this though i havent seen them but i will be trying to head over to his house this week or next week and i will be trying to keep a list of finding for ya.

if anyone knows of these are they found in NC or might it just be his inexperince.

EDIT: I am trying to make a mushroom growing web site isnt gonna be publish this year but would LOVE to get a copy of this guide to add to my site. I plan on haveing tons of general knowledge kinda like this site. But i do know it will never be as good as this site.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7223353 - 07/25/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Alan Rockerfeller,

I will avoid commenting on most of the gibberish here in these lists which really serve no purpose but to confuse people whoa re already confused. Many do not listen.

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Psilocybe caerulescens

No, I really don't think this grows in north carolina, it is a Mexican species.




P. caerulescens, known in Oaxaca as the Derumbbe mushroom (Landslide mushroom, or sugar cane mushrooms), was originally discovered by Murrill in 1923 in Huntsville, Alabama, years before Wasson collected them in 1953-1955.

It was never found again in the USA until the 1990s when it was found in Louisiana and Mississippi. but in small groupings of five to ten mushrooms only at a time.

After ERoger Heim and both Singer and Smith Identified it as the mushroom Murill found In ALabama, it is strange. It is also close in physical appearance to P. weilii, but has many microscopic differences.

But again I am amazed that people go read really bad shrooom info and then post it here as if it were correct.

Also, Alan, Panaeolus papilionaceus is psychoactive and is not a synonym of P. campanulatus or P. sphinctrinus. Those latter species are not psychoactive.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7223477 - 07/25/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

> if anyone knows of these are they found in NC or might it just be his inexperince.

Copelandia bispora is known from Hawaii, North Africa, Spain and Switzerland. It does not occur naturally in north america. The closest relative that he might have found is Copelandia cyanescens, which will be easy to ID by its blue bruising.

> Also, Alan, Panaeolus papilionaceus is psychoactive

It depends on who you ask. In the 1993 paper "Indole derivatives in certain Panaeolus species from East Europe and Siberia" by Luydmila S. Gurevich, a collection of Panaeolus papilionaceus was found to be free of psilocybin, baeocystin and serotonin, and contained traces of 5-HTP.

The same paper also found Panaeolus ater, Panaeolus rickenii, and Panaeolus sphinctrinus inactive.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7224067 - 07/25/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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weilii in northern georgia?? Can anybody confirm this?? ARe you positive??




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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7224105 - 07/25/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Alan Rockerfeller,

I will avoid commenting on most of the gibberish here in these lists which really serve no purpose but to confuse people whoa re already confused. Many do not listen.

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Psilocybe caerulescens

No, I really don't think this grows in north carolina, it is a Mexican species.




P. caerulescens, known in Oaxaca as the Derumbbe mushroom (Landslide mushroom, or sugar cane mushrooms), was originally discovered by Murrill in 1923 in Huntsville, Alabama, years before Wasson collected them in 1953-1955.

It was never found again in the USA until the 1990s when it was found in Louisiana and Mississippi. but in small groupings of five to ten mushrooms only at a time

mj




a close friend of mine found some caerulescens here in georgia 2 years ago. they havent popped up in the same place since or anywhere else we have hunted. they were found by chance, stumbled upon in some undergrowth while looking for cubes in a local pasture. they grew just as said in mj's guide, rare but once found you will find several. he came out with something like 8-10. he initially thought they were weilii but it was proven otherwise.

i must also add....they were extremely potent....

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7225921 - 07/26/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

The paper you are referring to is:


Gurevich, Luydmila S. 1993. Indole derivatives in certain Panaeolus species from East Europe and Siberia. Mycological Research vol. 97(2):251-254.
Five species of Panaeolus are analyzed for the presence of psilocybin and other tryptamine indoles (Panaeolus ater, P. rickii, P. papilionaceus, P. sprinctrinus, and P. subbalteatus). Psilocybin was only detected in P. subbalteatus.


There are two varieties of Panaeolus papilionaceus. One is the normal American-European collection of Panaeolus papilionaceus and the other is Panaeolus papilionaceus var. Parvisporus.


Now for some reason, Alan this is loated at the Mushroom observer as being named by Ewald Gerhaart who wrote his monograph in 1996 naming this variation of panaeolus papilioncaeus var parvisporus.

But the Mushroom observer, which also bears your name describes this species as identified form California in Feb of 2007 but there appear tobe no herbarium deposits or data pertaining to its correct identification as being the same mushroom named and identified by Gerhardt in 1996 or prior to that.

The mushroom observer, followed by your name gave this information:

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Panaeolus papilionaceus var. parvisporus Ew. Gerhardt
Point Reyes National Seashore, Marin County, CA: Darvin DeShazer
Observation made: 2007-02-19.




and under that is the following.

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Name created: Tue Feb 20 17:57:44 -0800 2007
Last modified: Thu Apr 05 22:23:50 -0700 2007 by Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)
Show Log.





Since Gerhardt created this name in the mid 1990s, what justifies that last paragraph which claims:
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Name created: Tue Feb 20 17:57:44 -0800 2007




That picture could be any species of Panaeolus int he P. sphinctrinus complex, although I do not see any veil rumnants on the image at the mushroom observer.

And with no herbarium deposits to determine what image that is, makes the post at that thread invalid as far as the academic and scientific community is concerned. I talked this over with my collegue Dr. Stivje and he agrees it does not really resemble the original line drawings form the 1800s of Panaeolus papilionaceus.

Both Emboden, Schultes, Hofmann, Ramsbottom and even Ott have found psilocine and psilocybine in this species.

I am also posting the original Gurevich Post which shows only her detection of Panaeolus subbalteatus as psilocine/psilocybine positive, with out any psilocine in her collections. And all other Panaeolus as void of any traces of psilocine/psilocybine/baeocystine.

And Gerhardt proposes P. papilionaceus var. papilionaceus as an epitype.

I am posting the original Gurevich article in a separate post here.

btw, some of her research in this English paper contradicts her research in one of 2 Russian Language papers by Becker, et al. which included Gurevich.

One last comment. The google.com goes to Wikipedia at this URL
http://images.google.com/images?q=Panaeolus%20papilionaceus%20var.%20parvisporus

Images are posted for both Panaeolus papilionaceus and for Panaeolus papilionaceus var parvisporus. Ande they both show the same fotograph so again there is a lot of misinformation at those two sites by people from internet sites adding their two cents including misinformation into the features posted on shrooms at Wikipedia and at google mushrom sites.

mj

See additional thread by Gurevich posted in the Psychedelic Experience threads. I won't be posting her papers written in Russian.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: hilikus989]
    #7226026 - 07/26/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I really doubt that your friend found P. caerulescens in North Carolina.It is too far north for the growth of this landslide mushroom which is usually all associated with sugar cane fields and the landslides along the roads where sugar cane grows in Oaxaca. Mexico,. Your friend most like may have found some specimens of P. weilii which sometimes mimics P. caerulescens and could grow as far north as possibly from Georgia to North Carolina.

\Interestingly, no one in Florida has yet found P. weilii which so far is known only from Georgia. But P. caerulescens has since been found in Florida, as well as Mississippi and Louisiana, plus its originally discovery inthe early 1920s in Huntsville, Alabama by Murrill.

And again, if no one makes any herbarium deposits other than their stomachs, then no one in the field of academia would ever accept a word of mouth communication that they found a specific shroom in their state which does not grow their. And that would include many authors of shroom guides which cover the east coast, although, many still list P. coprophila and Panaeolina foenisecii as a psilocybian mushrooms because they took the data from badly written papers or from other books written by renown mycologists who also borrowed the species form their colleagues works.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7226242 - 07/26/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

^^it was georgia where he found the caerulescens*

he checked the spore samples under a scope and compared them with some weilii prints and said they didnt look identical. he didnt know what they were but had them sent off and was told many many months later that they were caerulescens (sent them to a biology professor at a college in south ga). caerulescens is something he didnt even think about- he thought they were some kind of new species he discovered.

on a side note mj, years back when i first got into hunting i recall an instance; it was my first trip to the field. i had printed off some pages from your guide and headed out, reading habitat desriptions and studying pictures while walking through the field haha. i found 1 rather large mushroom and 3 smaller ones but they didnt look like the one in the pic. i took them to a guy i knew that hunted and he confirmed that they were indeed cubensis. haha i was so excited. oh memories...

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: hilikus989]
    #7227668 - 07/26/07 06:45 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

> Since Gerhardt created this name in the mid 1990s, what justifies that last paragraph which claims:
> Name created: Tue Feb 20 17:57:44 -0800 2007

That is the first time that the Panaeolus papilionaceus var. parvisporus was seen on http://mushroomobserver.org.

> and under that is the following.
> Last modified: Thu Apr 05 22:23:50 -0700 2007 by Alan Rockefeller (Alan Rockefeller)

My name is in that entry because on April 5, I edited the name Panaeolus papilionaceus var. parvisporus to put the Ew. Gerhardt author info.

> That picture could be any species of Panaeolus int he P. sphinctrinus complex, although I do not see any veil rumnants on the image at the mushroom observer.

I don't see any reason to doubt that the observation: http://mushroomobserver.org/2553
is identified correctly. Do you?

> And with no herbarium deposits to determine what image that is, makes the post at that thread invalid as far as the academic and scientific community is concerned.

Darvin DeShazer is a very experienced mycologist and he answers his email quickly; if he made a mistake I am sure he would like to know about it so he can correct that entry.

> I talked this over with my collegue Dr. Stivje and he agrees it does not really resemble the original line drawings form the 1800s of Panaeolus papilionaceus.

Which images did Dr. Stivje say didn't match up?

> Images are posted for both Panaeolus papilionaceus and for Panaeolus papilionaceus var parvisporus. Ande they both show the same fotograph so again there is a lot of misinformation at those two sites by people from internet sites adding their two cents including misinformation into the features posted on shrooms at Wikipedia and at google mushrom sites.

The problem was that the Wikipedia article on Panaeolus papilionaceus was using the photograph of Panaeolus papilionaceus var. parvisporus. I put in an image of the real Panaeolus papilionaceus, complete with white veil fragments in the cap margin.

Thank you for noticing the error. Please let me know if you observe any others.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7227684 - 07/26/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Alan, I really am not raggging about you but I keep seeing others posting the dame errors over and over and over form site to site and formr eeading old books because most cannot afford to buy a new book.

I did post for someone a list of shroom books for the east coast and the southwest.

I posted articles and then notice that only foru or five people read them.

I am so stuck trying to finish up five papers na refix the new Tales of the Sheroom website o I can really retire and move to southeast Asia, Maybe Laos or north vietnam.

I retired in ione year form everythign shroomy. after that my libraary is being donated toone in Bangkok. This is because of a personal battle I had with lawyers at harvard who tourned ont obe pompous asses.

Later and have a shroomy day,.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7229246 - 07/27/07 02:26 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

What is the propibility of finding Psilocybe caerulipes in my area? I've heard it's rare.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7230428 - 07/27/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

mj et al -

What do you think the species is on this one: http://mushroomobserver.org/760

It looks different than all the other Panaeolus papilionaceus observations.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7230450 - 07/27/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I'm debating on wheater or not i should inculde Pan. pap., I want to include another psychoactive panaelous species but don't know which one to use, any suggestions?


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7230475 - 07/27/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

> I'm debating on wheater or not i should inculde Pan. pap., I want to include another psychoactive panaelous species but don't know which one to use, any suggestions?

> mj said: Both Emboden, Schultes, Hofmann, Ramsbottom and even Ott have found psilocine and psilocybine in this species.

If all those people found it to be active, it almost certainly is. The collection that was inactive was from siberia.

Maybe add Panaeolus castaneifolius.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7230500 - 07/27/07 01:01 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

They resemble a little of P. castaneifolius, or even a little of subbalteatus.

Remember an original id'ed mushroom in the late 1799s and early to late 1900s was Copelandia papilionacea.

Now, since maybe mycologists in different parts of the world were finding similar shrooms and giving them names different than one another caused a great miscarriage of justice in the world of mycology.

Here is from Japan, and from China, a sketch of Panaeolus papilionaceus which looks more like Copelandia cyanescens.

In fact, on early paper also described P. papilionaceus as having caps which sometimes became flat in age.

According to most mycological taxonomic papers, P. papilionaceus never became flat in the caps but Panaeolus subbalteatus does, so some 1800 mycologistts assumed the P. papilionaceus was also a synonym for P. subbalteatus whose caps can flatten in age.

Here is a line sketch drawing for a Japanese Journal of Botany (in Japanese) from the early 1918 issue.


Those above shrooms in the drawing could be either a species of Panaeolus or a species of copelandia. Dr. Stijve agreees they are probably a correct drawing of Copelandia and they resemble nothing like those in Paul Stamets book listed as P. Papilionaceus.

Tell me what you think it looks like. It was also in a late 1800s Chinese mushroom Journal, of course written in Chinese.

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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7230606 - 07/27/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

ok so what pan. species should i include in my guide?

Remember it's gotta be in my area, So if Pan. pap. occur only on the west coast or something, please don't tell me to put them in...

Pan. camp. was one i was thinking as well as Panaeolus castaneifolius
And Pan. pap.


Could you guys reveiw and help me with my update-
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7229277/an/0/page/1


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7230765 - 07/27/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Really try not to confuse pickers with many shrooms since most collectors never ever find more than one or two different species form their areas. In the South and southeast, P. cubensis, P. weilii, Copelandia species and P. caerulipes are common for the east coast and the copes and cubes from Florida to Texas and north to South Carolina.

So I would l basically list only two. the common P. subbalteatus, more so in Hay and compost than in Manure and P. papailionaceus for the northeast USA, mostly in the Area of Maine.

Lawn collections of those are rare in the fact they appear once or twice in a season in a particular area and then are gone from those locations appearing the following year on a different lawn.

I believe a large percentage of those skinny stemmed lawn Panaeolus subbalteatus are ctually another species of panaeolus and so far people need collecions with fresh in situ photos, then catalogued the pictures with the dried same collections and deposit them in a herbarium so someone can figure them out. They rarely resemble haystack and compost Panaeolus subbalteatus shrooms. They could be Olivaceus unless gerhardt changed that name.I really only look for subbs in hay and rotting compost. I never pick them in the lawns and rarely have seen them. For ten years, shroomery members looked for them all over California. in the last year about ten people posted images they believe are subbs, ALl found in lawns once or twice and then they do not find them again.

Over the past 35 years, I have found lawns with hundreds of Panaeolina foeenisecii and yet never more than one or two subbs in those lawns. Only Lizard King has shown a lawn along with GGreatOne234. Mitchnast with a field of manured subbs in Sydney Nova Scotia or nearbye..

Joshua who has not been here in a few years found a giant lawn of all P. subbs in Oregon or northern California, the next years nothing. Even Angry Shrooms giant compost heap has not reproduced since his original find several years ago of which about 15 pictures of his gigantic best ever shown here photos have never been found at that location again.

So I still doubt about three quarters of most Pan subb reports on these pages.

I would still avoid listing Gyms, Mycenas and Inocybe species, the hypholomas or even Pluteus since most will never find them and the other Psilocybe species are easily recognized and not confusing to a collector.

Liberty caps are reported by Redhead in and from Northern Quebec, south to Upper state New York to New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Prince Edwards Island.

Since they are sometimes found in Upper New York, they could also be in Maine, Conn. or New Hampshire but I have no records offhand and cannot dig around for the data burried i file cabinets or boxes in storage

And you also have P. caerulipes and maybe P. ovoideocystidiata.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7230779 - 07/27/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

gyms rule.:igor:

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    #7230911 - 07/27/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Lawn collections of those are rare in the fact they appear once or twice in a season in a particular area and then are gone from those locations appearing the following year on a different lawn.

Excatly what happened to my Subb patch...

I would be very interested to find out what this psychoactive grass panaelous species is...they appear to be small subbs...but i believe the may be a new species...who knows?...perhaps someone should start a thread on the matter?

Could you go more in depth to P. ovoideocystidiata isn't it very similar to P. caerulipes?


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7230918 - 07/27/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Mj, please help with the new guide...http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7229277/an/0/page/1

Things like-

"I would still avoid listing Gyms, Mycenas and Inocybe species, the hypholomas or even Pluteus since most will never find them and the other Psilocybe species are easily recognized and not confusing to a collector."

Are stated, you will notice.


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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7231649 - 07/27/07 07:11 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

AS I mentioned and noted on several previous occasions, I have real work to do with several Universities. I cannot work with someone who is putting together what appears to be a very confusing list of mushrooms by someone with a little knowledge. IT takes years to identify.To qualify a book such as you suggest, you need the same educational s most major mycologists to even make such a book note worthy.

Also, I listed numerous books dealing with the very regions you are talking about yet have not heard a single word like, "Wow, I went to the library and read the mushrooms of the great Smokies. Thats Tennessee. Even Texas has its own mushroom field guide. Georgia, Florida and Louisiana to Mississippi are covered somewhat by the North Florida Sherom Guide by Shroom Wizard.
The Northeast is covered by several major books.

I posted data here from journal publications on the chemistry.That same URL to Rovereto Italy to the journal Analli {look for Annali.com and then download issue 14 1998 PDF file by Guzman, Allen and Gartz. IT gives you every species and state with every collected deposited magic shroom from those regions. covers what mushrooms are in every state of the USA, every Island in the waters of the world and every foreign country on most continents yet apparently you have not even opened up that PDF file. ITs at my site its at erowid, entheogen.com, mycotopia, sacred shrooms, the lycaeum and I posted the url in several posts directed at you and others and still apparently you have not even looked but you continue to spam the forums with these same questions over and over.

Furthermore, to take a large percentage of your data from off the people of this site and the internet you are not going to have a lot of honest valuable info to make it worthy for others to read.

I show people whom love shrooms, photographs of Galerina autumnalis and people tell me they use to eat those all of the time.

I would not eat any mushroom someone like that tells me he use to eat.

If he did he would be dead.

I posted several hundred species collections identified as one species and in analysis and taxonomy they the majority of them turned out to be another species altogether, although some were of the same family.

Int he meantime, again,. good luck with your work.

I have to finish typing about ten pages for an article for Shroomtalk Magazine on Sasha Shulgin, Me and Jochen Gartz and sex, drugs and rock and roll.

I have another 140 page paper with six other authors,.

A dna paper on the new alkaloids found in Psilocybe samuiensis and two papers, one with shroomy danb and one with cactu, includes dna, chemical analysis, locations habitats, SEM photography etc. I am busy and everytime I respond to these posts over and over with the same information and no one goes and reads it. Well I really do not have the time to do other peoples personal research.

I work with Workman, and a few others such as RR and Roadkill but am too busy to add others to those works at the moment.


Also, Duke university has a very large mushroom herbarium deposits there and collections. If you are in school you could probably get some permission to access some of that data.. Both Weston LaBarre and Bernard Lowy (who wrote exclusively on Shroom stones from Central America), has also much shroom data, although both are dead. Lowy was co writing a shroom book ten years ago when Schultes dies so that is how I know about that. His data is possibly available to look at as are his thesis stacked somewhere in the library.
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Re: Guide to Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee and Georgia (PLEASE HELP!!) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #7231824 - 07/27/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

MJ your awesome and anything you contribute is really very appreciated, please feel free to ignore any of my posts, thanks for all your help!


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    #7511349 - 10/11/07 11:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I found a BEAUTIFUL family of Muscaria var formosa right here in South Jersey. I'm sure if the Gods are right here in Moorestown, NJ, they're everywhere...

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