Home | Community | Message Board


Innerspace
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1
InvisibleZShroom
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/08/07
Posts: 1,061
Buddism
    #7146792 - 07/08/07 01:44 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

why is Buddism so popular in the psychedelic community?


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinefireworks_godS
SexyButt McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 23,677
Loc: Red Panda Village
Last seen: 4 hours, 49 minutes
Re: Buddism [Re: ZShroom]
    #7146832 - 07/08/07 01:57 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Is Buddhism popular in the psychadelic community?


--------------------

:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleCracka_X
Spiritual Dirt Worshipper
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 8,736
Loc: Here
Re: Buddism [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7146873 - 07/08/07 02:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

hahaha )

everything is popular in the psychidelic community!


--------------------
Click here to check out lineups for Magnoliafest and Springfest in Live Oak, FL

The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Tao Te Ching/Daodejing
"Find what you're looking for by not looking for it."        ~Old Hippie Philosophy


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,613
Loc: underbelly
Re: Buddism [Re: ZShroom]
    #7146881 - 07/08/07 02:08 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe because they (in their healthiest sense) both have the same goals.


--------------------
     

“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker


"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno." 


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleHuehuecoyotl
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,158
Loc: On the Border
Re: Buddism [Re: ZShroom]
    #7146902 - 07/08/07 02:14 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Is Buddism the worship of bud? Is this referring to weed or beer?


--------------------
Maybe there is no Heaven. Maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whiskey, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested...
--HST


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleSilversoul
Holon
Male User Gallery

Registered: 01/01/05
Posts: 22,562
Loc: Mostly harmless
Re: Buddism [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7146907 - 07/08/07 02:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Is Buddhism popular in the psychadelic community?



You know, I once took a class on Buddhism, and I was doing a report on the influence of Buddhism on the psychedelic culture of the 60's, only to find that Buddhism was more influential on the Beat Generation of the 50's, while the 60's counterculture seemed to lean more towards Hinduism.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblelIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl
Stranger
 Arcade Champion: Airfox

Registered: 12/16/04
Posts: 11,123
Loc: Texas
Re: Buddism [Re: ZShroom]
    #7147441 - 07/08/07 04:33 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I have no idea.


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinejonom
muisiriúncuradóir
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 130
Loc: tennessee, usa
Last seen: 4 years, 9 months
Re: Buddism [Re: ZShroom]
    #7147454 - 07/08/07 04:36 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

i would say a lot of different alternative culture choices (including drug use) are common amongst those who partake.


--------------------
jonom.

Yesterday upon the stair, I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd go away.


ghetto magnetic stirrer


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblepsyka
Praetorian
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 1,652
Re: Buddism [Re: ZShroom]
    #7147566 - 07/08/07 05:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

The meditative states are very interesting. They sound almost psychedelic, but the problem with psychedelics is the confusion and restlessness associated with them. Its very difficult to stay focused on a good dose of shrooms. In my opinion, you are blinking in and out of jhanas (the meditative states void of mental hindrances one achieves when he is enthusiastic and fully immersed in his/her object of meditation). I have experienced up to the 3rd jhana which is surprisingly accurate to the descriptions in Suttas. The first jhana happens in meditation when no hindrances arise in meditation, and suddenly a heap of joy arises. Your mind still wanders around a bit, but you are absorbed in meditation and contemplative thought. Its a very energetic state. The second jhana is very much the same thing, except the joy is more subtle and there is less of a wandering mind. The feeling of joy is much different... much more balanced. The third jhana is... an expansion of mind. You get the feeling of your mind expanding in all directions at once, and there is no stopping. The feeling of joy is much more tranquil and is less agitating. You pretty much stay on track with your object of meditation with keen focus. And the critical/examining thought is more of an observant mind that causes less mental stirring.

These things naturally happen, and are not the goals of meditation... they are just the fruits of certain understandings resultant from the meditation.

From the Anupada Sutta:

One by One As They Occured
Translation by Bhikku Bodhi and Bhikkhu Nanamoli

Thus have I heard. On one occasion the Blessed One was living at Savatthi in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika’s Park. There he addressed the bhikkhus thus: "Bhikkhus." - "Venerable, sir," they replied. The Blessed One said this:

"Bhikkhus, Sariputta is wise; Sariputta has great wisdom; Sariputta has wide wisdom; Sariputta has joyous wisdom; Sariputta has quick wisdom; Sariputta has keen wisdom; Sariputta has penetrative wisdom. During half a month, bhikkhus, Sariputta gained insight into states one by one as they occurred. Now Sariputta’ insights into states one by one as they occurred were this:

"Here, bhikkhus, quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states, Sariputta entered upon and abided in the first Jhana, which is accompanied by thinking and examining thought, with joy and happiness born of seclusion.

"And those states in the first Jhana - the thinking, the examining, the joy, the happiness, and the unification of mind; The contact, feeling, perception, volition and consciousness; the enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: ‘So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been, they vanish.’ Regarding those states, he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: ‘There is an escape beyond this,’ and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, with the stilling of thinking and examining thought, Sariputta entered and abided in the second Jhana, which has self-confidence and stillness of mind without thinking and examining thought, with joy and happiness born of unification.

"And the states in the second Jhana - the self-confidence, the joy, the happiness, and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition, and consciousness; the enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: "So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been they vanish." Regarding those states, he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood; ‘There is an escape beyond this’, and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, with the fading away as well of joy, Sariputta abided in equanimity, and mindful, and fully aware, still feeling happiness with his body, he entered upon and abided in the third Jhana, on account of which noble ones announce: ‘He has a pleasant abiding who has equanimity and is mindful’.

"And the states in the third Jhana - the equanimity, the happiness, the mindfulness, the full awareness, and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition and consciousness; the enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: ‘So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been they vanish’. Regarding those states, he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: ‘There is an escape beyond this’, and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, with the abandoning of pleasure and pain, with the previous disappearance of joy and grief, Sariputta entered upon and abided in the fourth Jhana, which has neither-pleasure-nor-pain and purity of mindfulness due to equanimity.

"And the states in the fourth Jhana - the equanimity, the neither-pleasant-nor-painful feeling, the mental unconcern due to tranquility, the purity of mindfulness, and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition and consciousness; the enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: ’So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been, they vanish.’ Regarding those states he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood, ‘There is an escape beyond this’, and with the cultivation of that attainment he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, with the complete surmounting of perceptions of form, with the disappearance of perceptions of sensory impact, with non-attention to perceptions of diversity, aware that ‘Space is Infinite,’ Sariputta entered upon and abided in the base of Infinite Space.

"And the states in the base of Infinite Space - the perception of the base of Infinite Space and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition and consciousness; the enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him they arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: ‘So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been, they vanish’. Regarding those states, he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: ‘There is an escape beyond this,’ and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, by completely surmounting the base of Infinite Space, aware that ‘Consciousness is Infinite’, Sariputta entered upon and abided in the base of ‘Infinite Consciousness’.

"And the states in the base of ‘Infinite Consciousness’ - the perception of the base of ‘Infinite Consciousness’ and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition, and consciousness; the enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: ‘ So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being: having been they vanish.’ Regarding those states he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: ‘There is an escape beyond this’, and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, by completely surmounting the base of Infinite Consciousness, aware that there is ‘Nothing’, Sariputta entered upon and abided in the base of ‘Nothingness’.

"And the states in the base of ‘Nothingness’ - the perception of the base of ‘Nothingness’ and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition and consciousness, the enthusiasm, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; know to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: ‘So indeed, these states not having been, come into to being; having been, they vanish.’ Regarding these states he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: ‘There is an escape beyond this’, and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, by completely surmounting the base of ‘Nothingness’ Sariputta entered upon and abided in the base of neither perception nor non-perception.

"He emerged mindful from that attainment. Having done so, he contemplated the states that had passed, ceased and changed, thus: ‘So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been they vanished. Regarding those states, he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: ‘There is an escape beyond this,’ and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is.

"Again, bhikkhus, by completely surmounting the base of neither perception nor non-perception, Sariputta entered upon and abided in the cessation of perception and feeling. And his taints were destroyed by his seeing with wisdom.

"He emerged mindful from that attainment. Having done so, he recalled the sates that had passed, ceased, and changed, thus: ‘So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been, they vanish.’ Regarding those states, he abided un-attracted, un-repelled, independent, detached, free, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: ‘There is no escape beyond this,’ and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is not’.

"Bhikkhus, rightly speaking, were it to be said of anyone: ‘He has attained mastery and perfection in noble virtue, attained mastery and perfection in noble collectedness, attained mastery and perfection in noble wisdom, attained mastery and perfection in noble deliverance,’ it is of Sariputta indeed that rightly speaking this should be said.

"Bhikkhus, rightly speaking, were it to be said of anyone: ‘He is the son of the Blessed One, born of his breast, born of his mouth, born of the Dhamma, created by the Dhamma, an heir in the Dhamma, not an heir in material things,’ it is of Sariputta indeed that rightly speaking this should be said.

"Bhikkhus, the matchless Wheel of Dhamma set rolling by the Tathagata is kept rolling rightly by Sariputta."

That is what the Blessed One said. The Bhikkhus were satisfied and delighted in the Blessed One’s words.


--------------------
As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,613
Loc: underbelly
Re: Buddism [Re: psyka]
    #7147793 - 07/08/07 06:01 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Guess I need to go find a nice cave somewhere.:cool:


--------------------
     

“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker


"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno." 


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinefireworks_godS
SexyButt McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 23,677
Loc: Red Panda Village
Last seen: 4 hours, 49 minutes
Re: Buddism [Re: Icelander]
    #7147857 - 07/08/07 06:16 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, that would be greatly appreciated. :thumbup:

:hehehe:


--------------------

:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineEllisDSox
Robin Hood

Registered: 01/22/07
Posts: 1,874
Last seen: 12 days, 14 hours
Re: Buddism [Re: ZShroom]
    #7147894 - 07/08/07 06:25 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's for fairly simple reasons. Just think about it; if you're tripping, which of these would be more appealing:

An authoritarian police officer God who will send you to a prison in the centre of the Earth if you disobey him.

This same guy with a different name.

A large number of gods with different appearances, myths and purposes.

OR

A smiling, contented looking man sitting under a tree exploring his mind?

There's also a substantial amount of overlap between meditative states of consciousness and psychedelic states of consciousness. You also have to consider that hippies were often interested in spirituality but also concerned with detachment from their own culture and were bound to find alternative religions to Christianity.

If, by "the psychedelic community", you were only referring to the modern psychonauts, then there isn't really that great of an interest in Buddhism and what there is can be explained with similar reasoning. It's all guess work, ultimately, since people's choices are hard enough to explain to begin with- adding psychedelics and religion to it just makes it infinitely more complex.


--------------------
"Rather than continuing to seek the truth, simply let go of your views." Gautama Buddha.

"You can't bomb for a humane reason. What we should do is just Mother Teresa them to death with love. It's that old hippie nonsense but it's still the best stuff there is."- Ken Kesey


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,613
Loc: underbelly
Re: Buddism [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7147901 - 07/08/07 06:27 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Yes, that would be greatly appreciated. :thumbup:

:hehehe:




How about at your cave. I'll be fairly quiet. I'll be meditating you know. Or posting.


--------------------
     

“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker


"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno." 


Edited by Icelander (07/08/07 06:27 PM)


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinefireworks_godS
SexyButt McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 23,677
Loc: Red Panda Village
Last seen: 4 hours, 49 minutes
Re: Buddism [Re: Icelander]
    #7148003 - 07/08/07 06:56 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

You don't want to stay at my cave. I'm transitioning out of this cave. :smirk:


--------------------

:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,613
Loc: underbelly
Re: Buddism [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7148026 - 07/08/07 07:00 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

What's for dinner at the rents cave?;)


--------------------
     

“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker


"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno." 


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinefireworks_godS
SexyButt McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 23,677
Loc: Red Panda Village
Last seen: 4 hours, 49 minutes
Re: Buddism [Re: Icelander]
    #7148078 - 07/08/07 07:15 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I ate some chips. I was thinking about scraping together some quarters to get ice cream. Not really anything for dinner. :mad:


--------------------

:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,613
Loc: underbelly
Re: Buddism [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7148093 - 07/08/07 07:18 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Nice diet there.

Aren't you moving back home with the rents? They will fill you up on mashed potatoes.:thumbup:


--------------------
     

“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker


"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno." 


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinefireworks_godS
SexyButt McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 23,677
Loc: Red Panda Village
Last seen: 4 hours, 49 minutes
Re: Buddism [Re: Icelander]
    #7148104 - 07/08/07 07:21 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I am, for a few months, but the reason my lack of diet exists is the reason I haven't been able to move yet. :lol:


--------------------

:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
OfflineKinematics
coyote vision


Registered: 10/01/06
Posts: 656
Loc: Colorado
Last seen: 10 days, 15 hours
Re: Buddism [Re: Icelander]
    #7148119 - 07/08/07 07:25 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I would say they are popular together because they can both be different means to achieve the same goals, while also they compliment each other depending on how they are utilized.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery

Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,613
Loc: underbelly
Re: Buddism [Re: Kinematics]
    #7148169 - 07/08/07 07:38 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

They both are tools for such goals, I do agree. They could be well used together I also agree. I know a man who has gone far down that path using psychedelics alone. Yet I know some Buddhists who would say that is not possible.


--------------------
     

“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker


"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno." 


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1

General Interest >> Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Awareness - why not try it out?
( 1 2 3 all )
The Chronic 967 52 09/24/08 12:08 PM
by Lion
* Fatalism it stars saddam 315 4 03/15/06 06:46 PM
by it stars saddam
* Does Love Exist?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
Swami 5,219 125 12/02/08 07:25 AM
by thedudenj
* Set it free
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
Gomp 1,205 88 11/23/04 12:11 PM
by Gomp
* Sub-space bubble EvilGir 282 5 01/23/03 05:07 AM
by Sclorch
* I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u!
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
Ego Death 2,404 120 09/20/05 10:01 AM
by Ego Death
* Ya or Nay? Part 2. MushmanTheManic 527 17 01/01/07 01:37 AM
by BlueCoyote
* The art of debate.
( 1 2 all )
Huehuecoyotl 998 39 04/09/05 07:58 PM
by Ped

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Mr. Middle, Diploid
477 topic views. 4 members, 10 guests and 0 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:
MushCult.com
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2012 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.635 seconds spending 0.273 seconds on 17 queries.