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OfflineFrenchSocialist
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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7034109 - 06/11/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The irrelevancy of the chart rests on the fact that there is no control for anything other than level of education.




And you know this how? The arrogance of your testimony astounds me everyday. It's almost suicidal.


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zappaisgod said:I am not trained as a Psychologist. I have a bachelors degree in psych




Do you know what a degree is?

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A degree is any of a wide range of status levels conferred by institutions of higher education, such as universities, normally as the result of successfully completing a program of study.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_degree

Your degree is in psychology. Psychology is a field of study. That means you been trained to conduct study within a scientific field for four years.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #7034884 - 06/11/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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FrenchSocialist said:
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zappaisgod said:
The irrelevancy of the chart rests on the fact that there is no control for anything other than level of education.




And you know this how? The arrogance of your testimony astounds me everyday. It's almost suicidal.




Because of the titles of the axes
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zappaisgod said:I am not trained as a Psychologist. I have a bachelors degree in psych




Do you know what a degree is?

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A degree is any of a wide range of status levels conferred by institutions of higher education, such as universities, normally as the result of successfully completing a program of study.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_degree

Your degree is in psychology. Psychology is a field of study. That means you been trained to conduct study within a scientific field for four years.







Which has not one thing to do with conferring the title of Psychologist, something which requires an advanced degree and certification. Not quite a psychiatrist but well more than me. If I called myself a Psychologist and practiced as one I would be arrested. Student of psychology? Sure. Psychologist? No. Is English your first language? You read a Psychology Today once and that would mean you were trained as a Psychologist? Please, you are passing into Absurdland again. And all because I refused to accept some dubious credential you tried to bestow. Sheesh, how ridiculous.


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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7035534 - 06/11/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh fucking great, another uber-parasite.  (congratulations, by the way, on getting in.  You will soon be joining the ranks of total whoredom.  Bring lube.)




HAHAHAHAHA :congrats:


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OfflineFrenchSocialist
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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7035751 - 06/11/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Because of the titles of the axes




The title itself may be incomplete. In fact it is likely incomplete, as most titles rarely describe the entire methodology.


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zappaisgod said:
Which has not one thing to do with conferring the title of Psychologist, something which requires an advanced degree and certification.




Your use of the word is a bit more esoteric then what is placed within the dictionary:

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psy·chol·o·gist /saɪˈkɒləd&#658;ɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sahy-kol-uh-jist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a specialist in psychology.
2. Philosophy. an adherent to or advocate of psychologism.




http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychologist

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psy·chol·o·gist (sī-kŏl'ə-jĭst) pronunciation
n.

A person trained and educated to perform psychological research, testing, and therapy.




http://www.answers.com/topic/psychologist

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Main Entry: psy·chol·o·gy
Pronunciation: -jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: New Latin psychologia, from psych- + -logia -logy
1 : the science of mind and behavior
2 a : the mental or behavioral characteristics of an individual or group b : the study of mind and behavior in relation to a particular field of knowledge or activity
3 : a theory or system of psychology




http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/psychologist

Perhaps you should at the very least glance at the dictionary before making such foolhardy assertions.


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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #7036714 - 06/12/07 04:45 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

This is in reply to both Zappa and Economist... and probably a few others as well... One of my engineering management professors was a retired vice president from P&G. His comment towards a 4yr degree were along the lines of, "A college diploma shows me that the person is able to learn and will stick with something. Grades are secondary. We will train the person as needed. What really matters is the paper... knowing that the person is trainable and that we are not wasting money investing in this person as an employee."


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: Seuss]
    #7038440 - 06/12/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, that is true enough and may actually support my notion about degrees. A solid 4 year employment history would provide just the same assurance to an employer. Advanced degrees I suspect are another issue.

Let's not forget one of the most lucrative fields in the entire country which is largely not teachable in a collegiate setting. I'm talking about sales. If you can sell, baby, you are on your way, but it can only be learned through real life experience. I don't mean the vast majority of salesmen who have no talent and will toil nervously forever. I'm talking about real professional salespeople. A fine skill and a talent that cannot be learned in school and is highly rewarded.

Feh. College is good for some, a waste of time and money for others. Working is always good.


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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #7038461 - 06/12/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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FrenchSocialist said:

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zappaisgod said:
Which has not one thing to do with conferring the title of Psychologist, something which requires an advanced degree and certification.




Your use of the word is a bit more esoteric then what is placed within the dictionary:




Esoteric? You funny.
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psy·chol·o·gist /saɪˈkɒləd&#658;ɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sahy-kol-uh-jist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a specialist in psychology.
2. Philosophy. an adherent to or advocate of psychologism.




http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/psychologist

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psy·chol·o·gist (sī-kŏl'ə-jĭst) pronunciation
n.

A person trained and educated to perform psychological research, testing, and therapy.




http://www.answers.com/topic/psychologist





Astonishingly enough, none of those apply to me, like I said.
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Main Entry: psy·chol·o·gy
Pronunciation: -jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: New Latin psychologia, from psych- + -logia -logy
1 : the science of mind and behavior
2 a : the mental or behavioral characteristics of an individual or group b : the study of mind and behavior in relation to a particular field of knowledge or activity
3 : a theory or system of psychology




http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/psychologist

Perhaps you should at the very least glance at the dictionary before making such foolhardy assertions.




Unbelievable.
http://www.psychologyinfo.com/license.html

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On average, psychologists complete approximately five to seven years of graduate education and professional training, beyond a bachelor's degree. In the United States, the practice of psychology is regulated by law in all fifty states, plus Guam and the District of Columbia. Licensing laws protect the public by limiting licensure to those persons who are qualified to practice psychology as defined by the law in each jurisdiction. Licensing laws require an individual to meet specific educational, experiential and testing requirements before a license to practice psychology is granted to an individual.




What is wrong with you?


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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7038724 - 06/12/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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On average, psychologists complete approximately five to seven years of graduate education and professional training, beyond a bachelor's degree. In the United States, the practice of psychology is regulated by law in all fifty states, plus Guam and the District of Columbia. Licensing laws protect the public by limiting licensure to those persons who are qualified to practice psychology as defined by the law in each jurisdiction. Licensing laws require an individual to meet specific educational, experiential and testing requirements before a license to practice psychology is granted to an individual.







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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: Seuss]
    #7038730 - 06/12/07 04:52 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Seuss said:
This is in reply to both Zappa and Economist... and probably a few others as well... One of my engineering management professors was a retired vice president from P&G. His comment towards a 4yr degree were along the lines of, "A college diploma shows me that the person is able to learn and will stick with something. Grades are secondary. We will train the person as needed. What really matters is the paper... knowing that the person is trainable and that we are not wasting money investing in this person as an employee."




Zappa's arguments are based on the fallacy of misleading vividness anyways:

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Misleading Vividness

When the fallacy of jumping to conclusions is committed due to a special emphasis on an anecdote or other piece of evidence, then the fallacy of misleading vividness has occurred.
Example:

Yes, I read the side of the cigarette pack about smoking being harmful to your health. That's the Surgeon General's opinion, him and all his statistics. But let me tell you about my uncle. Uncle Harry has smoked cigarettes for forty years now and he's never been sick a day in his life. He even won a ski race at Lake Tahoe in his age group last year. You should have seen him zip down the mountain. He smoked a cigarette during the award ceremony, and he had a broad smile on his face. I was really proud. I can still remember the cheering. Cigarette smoking can't be as harmful as people say.

The vivid anecdote is the story about Uncle Harry. Too much emphasis is placed on it and not enough on the statistics from the Surgeon General.




http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacy.htm

Only a fool would believe anything zappa says.


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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #7038760 - 06/12/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

> Only a fool would believe anything zappa says.

Speaking of fallacies... can you identify the one that you just committed?

Please debate the topic rather than the poster.  (Both of you! :wink:)


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Re: US graduates suffer income inequality [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #7041714 - 06/13/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Its later in life when a degree gets you your rewards.

I was making $21.50 an hour all through college and after graduation most people had to start at the bottom and for a long time Ive been making more than them.

I can see things reversing though. Those with Masters are now getting the good jobs that pay very well and they qualify for better more advanced positions than I could get with me Bachelors even with my experience.

Id say to anyone that it just takes longer to reach your goals because school gets in the way but the rewards come slowly and eventually your experience catches up to your schooling and you become one of them people making $150,000 a year.


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