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Mike_yy
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Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ?
#6906508 - 05/12/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Like there's something looking down on you, setting up situations to cause disruption in your life ?.
My family (me included) has a habit of being put in really bad situations,, the way these situations start blows coincidence apart. Usually there's a learning curve with them (on reflection) but they're pretty constant.
Is it possible for a family to be cursed, or maybe have a malicious spirit looking over them ?
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6906610 - 05/12/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes it is definitely possible
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#6906640 - 05/12/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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How do you resolve something like this ? I'm not saying i believe there is something bad looking over us, maybe were just unlucky...
It just feels like there is.
It's an oppressive feeling.. I always learn something but it's relentless, way beyond 'normal' life issues...
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6906651 - 05/12/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe if you look at all the good things that happen to your family the curse will have less negative energy to use
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#6906677 - 05/12/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good things are barely existent,, and i'm usually an optimistic person..
If you think it's possible for a family to be cursed/have a malicious spirit looking over them then how can good thoughts over power it ?..
Don't take that like i'm being rude,, .
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6906712 - 05/12/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Theres no reason to think its a curse or malicouse spirit or an evil dog doodoo.
Everything is created within the mind. Its just how you take that...
For example; My grandpa dies horribly. Do I recieve that as 1) Oh no, grandpa recieved a horrible death, boo hoo, pain, waa 2) WTF, we all gotta die and ultimately our futile existance here seems to mean nothing
Some people hate to get punched. It hurts them. Others love to be hurt, its a pleasurable feeling for them.
Get it?
Its all in your mind. Everything you sense is your brain converting stimuli into electrical signals which are processed. The response to these processes can be whatever you choose them to be.
In reality, good and bad do not even exist.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Ego Death]
#6906827 - 05/12/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't even know the half of it man,, if it was as simple as interpretation i'd be fine..
I don't want to spew everything out here but it goes well beyond that..
I'm not saying "i have issues,, am i cursed", being naive.
Which ever way i think isn't going to change shit,, i'm forced to deal with these things...
The situation i'm in now is about as bad as most people could imagine.. I've had the same thing through out my life....
If i explain my problems to anyone there's no one who can help,, it's way beyond most peoples experience.
Hence me making this thread,, and the original possibility's i asked have been on my mind for awhile..
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6906874 - 05/12/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd suggest that the best way way to make an idea whether this is real not is to find yourself some info in magick and how it works. I'd suggest you read Crowley's magick without tears. This is NOW new age fluff, no bull shit or other stuff like that.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6907020 - 05/12/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do I ever feel cursed? As in, literally haunted by an evil spirit or the victim of some sort of black magic or whatever? No, that would silly.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Zaprabe]
#6907052 - 05/12/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Saprobe said: Do I ever feel cursed? As in, literally haunted by an evil spirit or the victim of some sort of black magic or whatever? No, that would silly.
Magick is not what you see in movies. That's bull shit. Magic is about the power of one's thought (basically), and allow me to contradict you but the power of the thought is not bull shit at all.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Zaprabe]
#6907128 - 05/12/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Saprobe said: Do I ever feel cursed? As in, literally haunted by an evil spirit or the victim of some sort of black magic or whatever? No, that would silly.
yes,, i have many times.. And it's not just me,, our entire family is plagued with shit..
I've not had a moment of peace since i was born,, literally. What happened to me affects my mom,, she's had a rough life already but now she's ill and i'm her carer (i'm 24 btw)...
My life has gone from being abused,, to supporting a dysfunctional person to the point of destroying myself. Then supporting my mother through terminal illness,,, to having my own reputation torn to pieces through other peoples bullshit issues..
It's never ending..
I'm a good person,, if all this happens (and i swear it's weird how these things work out) i'm inclined to think something is trying to fuck me up... Like i said i've learned alot but what's it all for ?
Am i getting one over on life, or is life trying to teach me something ?
maybe it sounds silly,, i don't know.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6907314 - 05/12/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe your parents ran over a gypsy on the way to the hospital the day you were born
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6907480 - 05/12/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let me get this straight. Because your life is not as good as you think it should be that is evidence of some sort of curse? Theoretically, everyone's life could be better. Does that mean everyone is cursed to some degree? If I were you I would be thankful that you aren't a starving Ethiopian child who was born with AIDS. Life can be tuff, but it can always be a lot worse.
Bad things happen to good people, it's just the way it goes. To assert that you are (literally) cursed isn't just silly, but I would argue it is an irresponsibly easy thing to blame your problems on. We are all (figuratively) cursed simply because we are alive. Being a living, sentient being means that, by defintion, you can experience and perceive pleasure as well as pain. Good things happen to good people, bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to bad people. And every possible combination in between.
You're not cursed; you are alive.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Zaprabe]
#6907677 - 05/12/07 10:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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As good as i think it should be ?,, if it was half way there i'd be happy.. I understand what your saying, people are worse off. Does that mean i should be grateful for the situation i'm in ?..
I never said i was cursed,, i asked if it was a possibility given the relentless shit i have to cope with..
At this moment it's at an all time record,, but i've had that much crap in the past i'm holding in quite well...
I have felt and fought a presence before,, i couldn't shake it.. As far as i pushed it away it came straight back at me... Maybe it's psychological but it's a question worth asking about..
Thank you Mushroomtrip,, i'll look into it..
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Zaprabe]
#6907789 - 05/12/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're not cursed; you are alive.
That's one of the most dumb remarks I've ever hurd.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6907807 - 05/12/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Energies can be reversed and destroyed.
Curses
hope this provides you with the needed insight.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6907838 - 05/12/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm still not sure on what grounds you come to the conclusion that you are literally cursed. Everyone puts up with crap in their lives. As a natural consequence of this, it reaches a maximum at one time or another. I would assume that you also believe that every person who has ever had to put up with an equal or greater amount of 'crap' than you was or is also cursed? This would seem follow from your reasoning.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Zaprabe]
#6907881 - 05/12/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude when one has the sensation that one could be cursed, there's obviously something wrong. Maybe it's a psychological problem, maybe it's an energy unbalance. And in some cases energy unbalances could be the result of "curses". Now I don't know what you understand by curse, but it's nit the shit you see in the movies. Curses, just like any other magick are the exercise of one's direct intention formulated in a particular way. Now of it is a psychological problem it also needs to be treated. And telling him he's delusional doesn't help at all. If you're here just to contradict take note that you're doing it in a wrong and destructive manner. You don't help anybody by just saying you're wrong. And that's life.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6907970 - 05/12/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: Now I don't know what you understand by curse, but it's nit the shit you see in the movies. Curses, just like any other magick are the exercise of one's direct intention formulated in a particular way.
i want to emphasize what mushroomtrip said here because hollywood really has covered the real thing with a load of glitter and hyperboles.
magick is the basis for all manifestations of intent, whether they're created consciously or unconsciously, on the personal level or the global level.
because of its utter simplicity, it is also the most easily overlooked and taken for granted.
magick is not a matter of belief, and yet it is all about belief. this is the paradox of magick.
one need not to believe in magick for it to affect you, but at the same time one needs to believe in magick in order to direct it in one's life.
modern culture has created many terms that fall into the category of magical practice. such terms are intention, willpower, choice, luck, coincidence, aspiration, purpose, wish, design, and many many others.
while all these words have been given their apparently distinct places in human experience, they really are all of one and the same force passing through existence.
"True magic therefore is the high knowledge of the more subtle powers that have not yet been acknowledged by science up to this date because the methods of scrutiny that have been applied so far do not suffice for their grasping, understanding and utilization, although the laws of magic are analogous to all official sciences of the world."
this is no different from curses.
curses are spells that are not in line with the desires of the practitioner.
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they are circumstances which are not in line with one's intentions.
however you may want to define it. the reality is one and the same.
in mikeyyork's case, i feel that he needs to find the source of the negative spell he is under and then re-create the energy into a positive form that benefits directly.
whether it's through sigils, prayer, gemstones, or simply a change of thought, the how-tos are plenty.
good luck, or maybe i should say, good intent.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#6908007 - 05/12/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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"True magic therefore is the high knowledge of the more subtle powers that have not yet been acknowledged by science up to this date because the methods of scrutiny that have been applied so far do not suffice for their grasping, understanding and utilization, although the laws of magic are analogous to all official sciences of the world."
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6908108 - 05/12/07 11:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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mikeyyork said: Like there's something looking down on you, setting up situations to cause disruption in your life ?.
My family (me included) has a habit of being put in really bad situations,, the way these situations start blows coincidence apart. Usually there's a learning curve with them (on reflection) but they're pretty constant.
Is it possible for a family to be cursed, or maybe have a malicious spirit looking over them ?
Definitely possible. Are there crazy mood swings involved in this as well as accidents (like bumping into walls or car crashes) and sicknesses/colds?
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6908846 - 05/13/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea, a family or an individual can be cursed. Voodoo is one way it could be done or any of the black arts.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: shakercee]
#6908889 - 05/13/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't see any curse here.
Many, many of my friends are in the same situation. One of them has just had her mother die, she was alos abused as child and her brothers a heroin addict.
Another of my friends brothers killed himself, their parents were divorced, his father a dealer and other relatives all addicts.
I've been to the point of suicide myself because of what me and my family have been through. I stood there in the noose crying my eyes out in my room until I finally realised I would just be causing more hell for my family, to do that.
Its back to the point about the Ephiopians. They travel miles everyday in hellish hot weather just to get a drink of water. Only to die at the age of 16 from the millions of diseases that are rife in their society.
I'm sorry its been hard on you but as someone already said, welcome to life. I suggest you take up meditation and start studing Eastern philosophy such as hinduism or buddism. They know a great deal about the body and mind, suffering and pleasure.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6908895 - 05/13/07 07:35 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: shakercee]
#6908960 - 05/13/07 07:58 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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shakercee said: yea, a family or an individual can be cursed. Voodoo is one way it could be done or any of the black arts.
Voodoo is a black art? Since when??? It can/could with "black" intentions just like any other magick, but Voodoo itself is not black magick...
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6909062 - 05/13/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will be damned. My impression was voodoo was black majick. I could do some reading on voodoo. Thanks for the correction.
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6909101 - 05/13/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe it is possible to be attacked by dark forces or succumb to things like the evil eye. But I believe it's also possible to overcome. If you feel like you might be cursed, I would suggest finding some books on magick and learn some banishing rituals. But don't just go right into the rituals themselves. First you have to learn the theory behind magick before you can use it effectively(kind of like music).
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Pulsating]
#6909336 - 05/13/07 10:07 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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mikeyyork said: Like there's something looking down on you, setting up situations to cause disruption in your life ?.
My family (me included) has a habit of being put in really bad situations,, the way these situations start blows coincidence apart. Usually there's a learning curve with them (on reflection) but they're pretty constant.
Is it possible for a family to be cursed, or maybe have a malicious spirit looking over them ?
Definitely possible. Are there crazy mood swings involved in this as well as accidents (like bumping into walls or car crashes) and sicknesses/colds?
Nar, i don't get mood swings, it's more about the way situations work out. Things have a habit of starting from something small, they can even seem positive at first then turn around through bizarre events into a disaster.
Once one thing starts going downhill all the weird coincidences start and other problems are added and added. It's easy when i lying there stressed out of my mind to think something is setting everything up. There's a very oppressive feeling that clings to you, the whole house has an oppressive feel to it. The stairs are terrible, i think alot of people get that feeling that there's something watching/right behind them. I've seen flashes of red light when i've been walking up and down and i hear that's not good. That could all be psychological though.
But these situations are constantly rising up, then falling away when i'm at breaking point. Then there's a short quiet period before the whole thing starts up again. Some of the most positive times in my life have been torn apart by sheer bad luck.
I do sometimes get a strange feeling before a bad event but i haven't quite learned how to listen to it yet, it's like a weird undertone deep inside my head. It's hard to pay attention to until an event actually happens and you think back. Sometimes i meet people and get a strange flash through my mind, with a slight ominous feeling then months or weeks later that person has a major impact on my life. This latter feeling is much easier to notice.
It's very weird.
Maybe everything i've talked about is all in my head, it's just very hard to believe sometimes..
Thanks for the advice on magic everyone, i'm going to take a serious look into it.
And Happy Birthday Mushroomtrip,, .
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6909456 - 05/13/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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And Happy Birthday Mushroomtrip,, .
Hey thank you
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6929541 - 05/17/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay, so let's say you ARE cursed, what are you going to do next? Is there even anything you could do about that?
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Re: Anyone ever feel like they're cursed ? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6930231 - 05/17/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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mikeyyork said: Like there's something looking down on you, setting up situations to cause disruption in your life ?.
My family (me included) has a habit of being put in really bad situations,, the way these situations start blows coincidence apart. Usually there's a learning curve with them (on reflection) but they're pretty constant.
Is it possible for a family to be cursed, or maybe have a malicious spirit looking over them ?
No.
You and your family are creating all of it most likely. But of course you can't see it because you're looking outside to find all your problems. If you look at how you react to things and think about things then you will see the creative seed of all your experience.;)
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