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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #6875399 - 05/05/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I wonder, is breast milk against their vegan principles?




:what:

Why would it be?


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: JunkFood]
    #6875507 - 05/05/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

It comes from an animal source.


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #6875529 - 05/05/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
It comes from an animal source.




:foreheadslap:

Veganism is against using animals for human needs. A mother breastfeeding her baby isn't against veganism :smirk:

I dunno what the deal with the two people in question was


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: JunkFood]
    #6875556 - 05/05/07 10:20 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I don't either but for some reason the mother wasn't breast feeding. Maybe it was because her dumbass belief and how SHE defines veganism for herself and, unfortunately, for her child. Veganism doesn't HAVE to be defined as being against using animals for human needs.

A vegan could also avoid semen, vaginal excretions or even saliva from kissing. A vegan may avoid mushrooms because they're not vegetables. People come up with all kinds of stupid guidelines to control their lives.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #6875572 - 05/05/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i knew a vegan who would bitch about what oil her spagetti was cooked in then eat hearshy bars that said real big "milk chocolate" on the label. i called her out on it and the can of worms was open. needless to say she was dumb and i dont talk to her anymore.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: roby000]
    #6877452 - 05/05/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

cannibals, herbivores, carnivores, omnivores what does it matter? The baby's dead because I ate it.


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #6877535 - 05/05/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Prosecutors said the couple slowly starved the baby on a diet of soy milk and juice in such small quantities that he died of complications from malnourishment




This is not about being vegan, it is about being neglectful. Any parent worth a damn would read up on infant nutrition, choose breastfeeding unless they had a serious medical reason not to, and notice that their 6-week-old baby is starving to death.

All the posts on this thread knocking the vegan diet are simply missing the point. These parents are no more representative of those who choose a vegan diet for ethical and/or health reasons than they are representative of those who appropriately nourish and care for their infant.

The most appropriate diet for a human infant under 6 months of age is breast milk. These people, for whatever insane reason, not only chose not to feed their baby the easiest and most healthful food available, they also chose not to use any other appropriate alternatives.

This is severe child abuse and neglect, plain and simple. The fact that they profess themselves to be vegan is irrelevant.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Veritas]
    #6879296 - 05/06/07 04:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I can't believe they would get life for that. It was obviously an accident.






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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Hanky]
    #6896941 - 05/10/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Good news!



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6642543.stm

A vegan couple has been sentenced to life in prison by a US court over the death of their malnourished baby.

The baby died six weeks after birth after being fed a diet largely made up of soy milk and organic apple juice.

Defence lawyers for Lamont Thomas and Jade Sanders said they had starved their child unintentionally by adhering to a strictly vegan diet.

But prosecutors in the US city of Atlanta said the couple had deliberately neglected their child.

"No matter how many times they want to say, 'We're vegans, we're vegetarians,' that's not the issue in this case," Prosecutor Chuck Boring is quoted by the Associated Press news agency as saying.

"The child died because he was not fed. Period," he said.

Strict vegans adhere to a diet that avoids all animal products.

'I loved my son'

Crown Shakur weighed 3.5lb (1.6kg) at the time of his death in April 2004.

The baby was born in a bathtub in the couple's house.

Defence lawyer Brandon Lewis is quoted by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper as saying the couple did not take their child to a doctor because they feared hospitals were full of germs.

Defence lawyers said the couple did not realise the baby's life was in danger until it was too late.

A jury deliberated for seven hours before delivering its verdict on 2 May.

Sentencing the couple, the judge said the murder verdict made the life sentence mandatory.

Jade Sanders told the judge: "I loved my son - and I did not starve him."

According to the AP news agency, Lamont Thomas complained that he had not known he was being tried for a felony - rather than the lesser offence of a misdemeanour.

"We had no idea involuntary manslaughter was a felony. We were told for three years this was a misdemeanour," he reportedly said.

"It takes money to prove this wasn't a felony - money we don't have."


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Hanky]
    #6897024 - 05/10/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

There is a new Molly Shannon Movie called "Year of the Dog" about a middle-aged single woman who turns into a PETA Vegan nutcase.

This makes me think of that. They're just fucked up and lost, Veganism? helps them find focus but they have no clue how ridiculous their actions are.

I just bit the head off of a chicken and drained it's blood into an omelette. I'm past eggs. It's pure blood omelettes from now on for me.


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Hanky]
    #6897071 - 05/10/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

A life sentence is pretty extreme. But, considering how they criticized the jury and the prosecution is proof they have not learned a lesson. So off to prison they go. They should have just been humble.

Did they really expect it to live on bean milk and juice in SMALL quantities? And they tried to debate that they were keeping the babies body healthy? They should not be allowed to have children and deserve prison time to a certain degree. Maybe 5 years or somthing.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: bigstem]
    #6897173 - 05/10/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Along with the prison sentence, I think sterilization would be a great idea.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: bigstem]
    #6899504 - 05/10/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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A life sentence is pretty extreme. But, considering how they criticized the jury and the prosecution is proof they have not learned a lesson. So off to prison they go. They should have just been humble.

Did they really expect it to live on bean milk and juice in SMALL quantities? And they tried to debate that they were keeping the babies body healthy? They should not be allowed to have children and deserve prison time to a certain degree. Maybe 5 years or somthing.




You think five years is enough for intentionally starving a baby to death?

I'd post what I think of that comment but it would get me banned.


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Hanky]
    #6899517 - 05/10/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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You think five years is enough for intentionally starving a baby to death?




Obviously there's a discrepancy here about whether or not they starved the baby to death intentionally


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: MrMax]
    #6899569 - 05/10/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I can't believe they would get life for that. It was obviously an accident, and it certainly wasn't a violent crime.





That wasn't no accident.

The baby only weighed 3.5 lbs. at the time of death. That aint no accident.

There is something more than just plain stupidity at work here unless there is something about the vegan diet that just makes people lose all their brains cells and turns them into complete idiots.

To die of starvation seems like an extremely violent way to lose your life. I would rather be shot in the back of the head than to slowly have to starve to death over a period of days or weeks.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: gregorio]
    #6899607 - 05/10/07 09:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing wrong with a vegan diet, i feel that i'm a healthy individual..

I think it very well could have been an accident...it seems to me they didn't intend to kill the baby, but equally as wrong they ignored the baby's needs. How can you know for sure that that's what they intended? You can't! I don't believe either way, but i'm just saying we really don't know much about this case, such as the thoughts going through the parents heads. I definitely think it's really fucked up that they couldn't take the time to learn how to properly feed their baby, i'm totally on the baby's side.

So what, throw them in prison for 25 years to fucking ROT. That'll fuckin teach em huh? Yeah, instead of turning peoples minds around and turning people on, let's make them rot in jail...no not for 10 years, 10 years isn't enough. 10 years to think about your childs death, in a cell, just isn't enough.

Might as well just shoot the parents in the head then...

...that's the vibe i get from some of you.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Quais]
    #6899629 - 05/10/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Might as well just shoot the parents in the head then...

...that's the vibe i get from some of you.




If I shoot them in the head but didn't mean to kill them would you consider that just an accident?

How in the hell was I supposed to a know a bullet in the head would kill someone.

Duh...

Same thing as watching a baby dwindle down to 3.5 lbs.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Quais]
    #6900957 - 05/11/07 07:42 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Nothing wrong with a vegan diet, i feel that i'm a healthy individual..

I think it very well could have been an accident...it seems to me they didn't intend to kill the baby, but equally as wrong they ignored the baby's needs. How can you know for sure that that's what they intended? You can't! I don't believe either way, but i'm just saying we really don't know much about this case, such as the thoughts going through the parents heads. I definitely think it's really fucked up that they couldn't take the time to learn how to properly feed their baby, i'm totally on the baby's side.

So what, throw them in prison for 25 years to fucking ROT. That'll fuckin teach em huh? Yeah, instead of turning peoples minds around and turning people on, let's make them rot in jail...no not for 10 years, 10 years isn't enough. 10 years to think about your childs death, in a cell, just isn't enough.

Might as well just shoot the parents in the head then...

...that's the vibe i get from some of you.




The vibe I get from you is that negligent infantside is ok because they were vegans.

If a baby starved to death because it had an alcoholic mother who was always to drunk to feed it, would you feel the same way?


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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Hanky]
    #6901177 - 05/11/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

It's the baby's fault... he was sending vegan vibes to his parents.

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Re: Vegan extremists kill baby! [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #6901316 - 05/11/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

:hehehe:


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