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teefizzle
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Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

#6817113 - 04/21/07 11:25 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Hydrangeas seem to be a very common garden plant, and it's always nice to discover that plants you can buy at a nursery have more uses than just aesthetic.

According to Erowid,

"USES: Diuretic and Soothant. Hydrangea paniculata has been smoked to produce cannabis-like effects, but many species from this genus are dangerous if smoked, as they contain a cyanide compound when burned".

Now, there is little to no documentation of effects on people when smoked, experience-wise, and I was thinking if they are cannabis-like, then the only thing stopping people from smoking it is the fact that they could get poisoned. While this may not stop some people, I would say that is enough to keep me away, but I was wondering if there could be a way to get rid of the cyanide factor?

Different chemicals are soluble in different substances, and I'm wondering whether anyone knows if cyanide substances are soluble in any chemicals (like acetone or ethanol), and if not, could you do a simple extraction, and throw out the poisonous part?

*If anyone here has ever tried smoking hydrangea leaves, please comment on it, and if it is possible to make a tea, since it states that only burning it renders it poisonous? Also, it says certain species have the cyanide in them, so it is possible that the non-poisonous species could be known and used without worry?

Thanks ahead of time, and I hope I can get some answers about this, it's rather intriguing since I see hydrangea plants all over. Here is a picture of a hydrangea and a link to it's erowid vault: http://erowid.com/herbs/hydrangea/hydrangea.shtml

*sorry if this is stupid/has been posted before thread

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6817126 - 04/21/07 11:33 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

don't risk it man
pm me and I will send ya some marajuanilla seeds if you want :cool:

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#6817127 - 04/21/07 11:34 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

and no not marajuana lol

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teefizzle
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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6817178 - 04/21/07 11:56 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

i appreciate it, but like, it'd be cool to get some solid info on it for everyone interested looking on the net and not finding anything. I have plenty of weed, just interested in an untapped substance :smile:

marajuanilla is dagga or something?

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#6817204 - 04/22/07 12:10 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

yep
a little more potent than regular dagga though
its also known as Siberian Motherwort I think

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6817385 - 04/22/07 01:19 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

According to the wikipedia,

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Ingestion [of cyanide containing compounds] is equally dangerous

in comparison to smoking. Definately not worth it for a "marijuana like" high. Even if the amount needed for smoking would not kill you,

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Exposure to lower levels of cyanide over a long period (e.g., after use of cassava roots as a primary food source in tropical Africa) results in increased blood cyanide levels. These may result in weakness of the fingers and toes, difficulty walking, dimness of vision, deafness, and decreased thyroid gland function, but chemicals other than cyanide may contribute to these effects. Skin contact with cyanide can produce irritation and sores.

It is not known whether cyanides can directly cause birth defects in people. Birth defects were seen in rats that ate diets of cassava roots. Effects on the reproductive system were seen in rats and mice that drank water containing sodium cyanide.

Just buy some weed!

As for extraction, possible, but do you even know which compounds are active? Salts containing the CN- ion are what you'd be trying to avoid.

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6817531 - 04/22/07 02:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

i dont know what makes it active, that's why I'm hoping a chemist will come on here with results that I inspired him to get :smile:

lol

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#6817541 - 04/22/07 02:14 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Don´t mess with this plant, you can tell it´s poisonous just by the looks.

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#6818648 - 04/22/07 12:12 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, that's what sucks, but I just find it intriguing, but not willing to subject myself to the possibility of being poisoned :-\

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6819026 - 04/22/07 02:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I believe it is the cyanide compound that gives it the effect, tried it about ten years ago, not very impressive, but colors did seem a bit brighter. I smoked a joint the width of a cigarette and didn't get sick, but I wouldn't rely on that, alot of alkaloidal compounds vary with season and soil.

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6819077 - 04/22/07 02:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

cpw1971 said:
don't risk it man
pm me and I will send ya some marajuanilla seeds if you want

hey id love some of them seeds if there are any going..i am starting my own likle garden of joys... :smile:

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6819272 - 04/22/07 04:04 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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felixhigh said:
Don´t mess with this plant, you can tell it´s poisonous just by the looks.

FH

How so?
It's a lovely garden plant and sells nice as a cut flower

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#6820715 - 04/22/07 10:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I meant it doesn´t looks very inspiring for consumption.
Sometimes poisonous plants look very good, as an example I can point out Datura and Brugmansia genus.

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#6820792 - 04/22/07 10:49 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

My mother has three huge ass bushes of that shit. Would a test of a leaf sample be expensive?

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#6820969 - 04/22/07 11:29 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

here's the chemicals listed when I looked it up:

Chemicals

ALUMINUM Root 221 ppm; DUKE1992A

ASH Root 54,000 ppm; DUKE1992A

CALCIUM Root 6,460 ppm; DUKE1992A

CHROMIUM Root 25 ppm; DUKE1992A

COBALT Root 38 ppm; DUKE1992A

EO Root: DUKE1992A

HYDRANGIN Root: DUKE1992A

IRON Root 179 ppm; DUKE1992A

KAEMPFEROL Root: DUKE1992A

MAGNESIUM Root 1,620 ppm; DUKE1992A

MANGANESE Root 187 ppm; DUKE1992A

PHOSPHORUS Root 1,300 ppm; DUKE1992A

POTASSIUM Root 5,810 ppm; DUKE1992A

PROTEIN Root 112,000 ppm; DUKE1992A

QUERCETIN Root: DUKE1992A

RESIN Root: DUKE1992A

RUTIN Root: DUKE1992A

SAPONIN Root: DUKE1992A

SELENIUM Root: DUKE1992A

SILICON Root 223 ppm; DUKE1992A

SODIUM Root: DUKE1992A

TIN Root 11 ppm; DUKE1992A

WATER Root 792,000 ppm; DUKE1992A

ZINC Root: DUKE1992A

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#6820999 - 04/22/07 11:40 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

thats a big "not worth it" from my crack team of advisable conduct authorities.

i avoid poppy seeds for all consumption if i can help it because of the cadmium levels. cyanide in significant ammounts for accute poisoning, a big no

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#6825519 - 04/24/07 01:27 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

interesting that run down doesnt contain cyanide?

Ive tried it, smoked 1/2 doz or more cones & didnt feel a thing.

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#6829426 - 04/24/07 11:19 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

maybe you smoked the wrong type? and I'm guessing that the wrong type is also the non-poisonous one. So that sucks, but thanks for the bit of info to add to the knowledge base :wink:

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Re: Hydrangea - smoking leaves and cyanide poisoning

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#9225817 - 11/11/08 07:34 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

this may not be true but someone once told me that if you keep passion flower long enough then the cyadide will start to break down. they said it takes like 2 or three weeks. if this is true then why wouldnt it be the same for Hydrangea.

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#9226053 - 11/11/08 08:14 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

mind searching for a reference since you brought the topic back? :sun:

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