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 MushroomTrip
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Still waiting for you to show the sleep deprivation - clinical depression link. 
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 Icelander
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OrgoneConclusion said:
In summation, it takes more energy to create a happy thought than a negative thought. Energy = calories. Therefore obese people are...?
Not quite. It takes more energy to move from one state to another. So if you want to make a move physically or mentally it helps to feel good physically and have energy. IMO Obese people are often depressed.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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deCypher
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 Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9043798 - 10/07/08 04:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9043800 - 10/07/08 04:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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One of the symptoms of depression is a change in sleep patterns...either sleeping too much or not sleeping enough. It does not seem that sleep deprivation causes depression.
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Icelander
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9043825 - 10/07/08 04:48 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said:
Still waiting for you to show the sleep deprivation - clinical depression link.
He went way past the Icelander rule long ago. Don't expect it now.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
#9043832 - 10/07/08 04:50 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Will the butter in MT's popcorn make her depressed?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
#9043858 - 10/07/08 04:56 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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He went way past the Icelander rule long ago
I am just a rebel. 
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Icelander
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Will the butter in MT's popcorn make her depressed?
I doubt it.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
#9043902 - 10/07/08 05:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about your stance on fatty acids? (I prefer skinny LSD.)
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Icelander
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Balance
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
#9043946 - 10/07/08 05:16 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do balance. I eat a pound of butter AND a pint of virgin olive oil every day.
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Icelander
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And see, you're not depressive. You just play one on TV.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: Icelander]
#9043965 - 10/07/08 05:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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And you are not really as mean as a rattlesnake. You just want people to believe that.
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Icelander
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True, I'm not really mean, I'm disappointed.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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MushmanTheManic said:
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johnm214 said:
That the methods were bad or the conclusions unsound? The evidence made up?
The evidence is highly biased. Given the extremely large volume of clinical and experimental data that exists, it is easy to find support for a particular opinion. I could easily pop a hundred articles out of a search engine that disprove this articles position. Most honest psychiatrists and psychologists have given up on this approach. If a person wants to make the broad claim that CBT is not effective, they're going to need to provide a meta-analysis with a humongous sample to prove this.
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Are you saying that "industry" pays for every article in that journal? I don't know what your point is as to this specific article. Nobody cares about the journal.
Most of the psychiatrists working for the APA also work for pharmaceutical companies. If CBT is a better treatment for depression than medications, they lose funding.
The publishers did not work for the APA, and they were not funded by industry in this case. If they are funded by industry then provide evidence of such.
This study was done with a government grant.
Did this article state a "broad claim that CBT" was ineffective? I don't think they did. I also don't think you've provided any points disputing this article beyond a general rebellion against perceived improprieties you can't demonstrate.
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#9044525 - 10/07/08 06:53 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said:
Still waiting for you to show the sleep deprivation - clinical depression link.
Sleep deprivation in depression: what do we know, where do we go? .
Biological Psychiatry , Volume 46 , Issue 4 , Pages 445 - 453
A . Wirz-Justice
Abstract: http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0006322399001250
Been my understanding that sleep deprivation probides temporary alleviation of depressive symptoms.
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psikooz
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Whats wrong with suicide?
You wake up in pellican bay, and i woop your ass.
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b0red5tiff
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: psikooz]
#9044933 - 10/07/08 08:00 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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the only way to post in P&S is to just state your opinion and NEVER LOOK BACK. just let it go... it's easy... never reply, never check back. like suicide - it takes determination and will power.
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: johnm214]
#9045365 - 10/07/08 09:14 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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MushmanTheManic said:
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johnm214 said:
That the methods were bad or the conclusions unsound? The evidence made up?
The evidence is highly biased. Given the extremely large volume of clinical and experimental data that exists, it is easy to find support for a particular opinion. I could easily pop a hundred articles out of a search engine that disprove this articles position. Most honest psychiatrists and psychologists have given up on this approach. If a person wants to make the broad claim that CBT is not effective, they're going to need to provide a meta-analysis with a humongous sample to prove this.
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Are you saying that "industry" pays for every article in that journal? I don't know what your point is as to this specific article. Nobody cares about the journal.
Most of the psychiatrists working for the APA also work for pharmaceutical companies. If CBT is a better treatment for depression than medications, they lose funding.
The publishers did not work for the APA, and they were not funded by industry in this case. If they are funded by industry then provide evidence of such.
This study was done with a government grant.
Did this article state a "broad claim that CBT" was ineffective? I don't think they did. I also don't think you've provided any points disputing this article beyond a general rebellion against perceived improprieties you can't demonstrate.
The publishers are members of the APA, plus they work for the Black Dog Institute, which is funded by Pfizer and Eli Lilly.
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Icelander
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Re: What is wrong with suicide? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#9047198 - 10/08/08 10:23 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said:
the only way to post in P&S is to just state your opinion and NEVER LOOK BACK. just let it go... it's easy... never reply, never check back. like suicide - it takes determination and will power.
break on through to the other side
Especially helpful if you have no evidence to back your post.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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