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 My Testimony of things to come
#6681576 - 03/17/07 07:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know I will be persecuted for this. I know there will be doubts, ridicule. I do this for the Glory of God. I ask nothing for myself, but only for his Glory. Amen
Before I was born my mother who had 3 miscarriages prayed to the Virgin Mary. She wasn't sure who she was but prayed to her in anyways. Mary appeared to her and said she would be blessed many times and that she was pregnant with her first child (me).
I some intense spiritual experiences as a child which I forgot about as I became an adult. On December 26th 2005 I begged the lord crying out in tears and asked him if the truth was even out there, if it even existed. For I knew that the world was lying to me. The voice of the Virgin Mary spoke to me and said "God is the truth". I was baptized in the holy spirit which felt like a light had entered my heart. .God Spoke to me saying the the fall of the Soviet Union should of been an obvious sign to mankind of the coming Tribulation. He told me the way the world really is. What really goes on behind the scenes. God began to take control of my life. I went to church every week. Prayed and read the bible everyday. Jesus has manifested to me in so many ways. He has given me so many spiritual gifts, the gifts of tongues, prophecy, knowledge, wisdom, healing, & most importantly Love. Jesus revealed me his Glory. Showed me how he creates, reveals to me all the time more about who he is. He reminded me of all the times in my childhood he tried to enter my life. He spoke even of me living in the Last days in my childhood, he said when I was older I would help him warn people of this being the last days. He said people wouldn't know it is the last days unless I told them and they believed. He says the same things now. 11 years ago he gave me a dream of events in my life that he said would happen leading up to the appearance of the anti Christ. Those events in that dream are happening now. Also the last couple of years their were other like me, posting and saying the same things I am telling you now. Their first name was Rob, they worked in Fire Alarm, they grew up in North Dakota, they had 4 brothers & one sister. A father who isn't mechanically inclined. They had the same dream I had & saw the same posts I am posting now. Saying the same thing I am saying now. But it is not us that is doing this, it is not a coincident, it is God. God is speaking through us telling you the things Now he told us long ago. He told us to reveal you these things now. Repent of your sinful ways and beg the lord for forgiveness. Come back to him now while there is still time, before it is to late.
The best way I can some up what has happened in my life and what God has shown me is this: I wouldn't exist here now at this time if it were not the last days. My whole life is proof of this being the last days. God has told me so many times I feel foolish asking him anymore. As sure as I typed this, and you reading this, these are the Last days.
(an 11th Apostle)
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 Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681587 - 03/17/07 07:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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My whole life is proof of this being the last days.
I'm caught dammit. I'm the anti-christ. You got me dead to rights. 
(don't for get those meds boy);)
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681589 - 03/17/07 07:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Demotriton said:
I know I will be persecuted for this. I know there will be doubts, ridicule. I do this for the Glory of God. I ask nothing for myself, but only for his Glory. Amen
Before I was born my mother who had 3 miscarriages prayed to the Virgin Mary. She wasn't sure who she was but prayed to her in anyways. Mary appeared to her and said she would be blessed many times and that she was pregnant with her first child (me).
I some intense spiritual experiences as a child which I forgot about as I became an adult. On December 26th 2005 I begged the lord crying out in tears and asked him if the truth was even out there, if it even existed. For I knew that the world was lying to me. The voice of the Virgin Mary spoke to me and said "God is the truth". I was baptized in the holy spirit which felt like a light had entered my heart. 3 months later God spoke to me on what would end up being my last mushroom trip ever. He said there are evil spirits possessing people, leaders of nations and misleading as to set up the rise of the anti Christ. He also said that angels are taking human form and people are also awakening to God's spirit and are spreading the truth. He said this is happening right NOW. He indicated to me the anti Christ was coming VERY soon. A few days later a threw away my mushrooms and was filled with the Holy Spirit, I was shaking most of the night and couldn't sleep. It was POWERFUL. God continued to speak to me saying the the fall of the Soviet Union should of been an obvious sign to mankind of the coming Tribulation. He told me the way the world really is. What really goes on behind the scenes. God began to take control of my life. I went to church every week. Prayed and read the bible everyday. Jesus has manifested to me in so many ways. He has given me so many spiritual gifts, the gifts of tongues, prophecy, knowledge, wisdom, healing, & most importantly Love. Jesus revealed me his Glory. Showed me how he creates, reveals to me all the time more about who he is. He reminded me of all the times in my childhood he tried to enter my life. He spoke even of me living in the Last days in my childhood, he said when I was older I would help him warn people of this being the last days. He said people wouldn't know it is the last days unless I told them and they believed. He says the same things now. 11 years ago he gave me a dream of events in my life that he said would happen leading up to the appearance of the anti Christ. Those events in that dream are happening now. Also the last couple of years their were other like me, posting and saying the same things I am telling you now. Their first name was Rob, they worked in Fire Alarm, they grew up in North Dakota, they had 4 brothers & one sister. A father who isn't mechanically inclined. They had the same dream I had & saw the same posts I am posting now. Saying the same thing I am saying now. But it is not us that is doing this, it is not a coincident, it is God. God is speaking through us telling you the things Now he told us long ago. He told us to reveal you these things now. Repent of your sinful ways and beg the lord for forgiveness. Come back to him now while there is still time, before it is to late.
The best way I can some up what has happened in my life and what God has shown me is this: I wouldn't exist here now at this time if it were not the last days. My whole life is proof of this being the last days. God has told me so many times I feel foolish asking him anymore. As sure as I typed this, and you reading this, these are the Last days.
(an 11th Apostle)
No offense, but you're message here is nothing new or unique. By the way, humans have been saying that "these are the end times" for millenia, it is nothing new.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681591 - 03/17/07 07:34 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know I will be persecuted for this.
ridicule =! persecution
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681623 - 03/17/07 07:48 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hitting the meff pipe again?
Deflate your ego a bit, if God has a message, don't you think he would tell us himself? or teach us himself? 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: AroundtheSon]
#6681629 - 03/17/07 07:51 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Deflate your ego a bit, if God has a message, don't you think he would tell us himself? or teach us himself?
When there is a message to the masses, it is usually delivered by a prophet. However, the Bible warns us against false prophets, and as Jesus says, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681630 - 03/17/07 07:51 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Satan can give spiritual "experiences" that seem POWERFUL. I have news for you, the anti-christ is already here, and has been here for hundreds of years, and sits in the Vatican. You call yourself an "Apostle", what non-sense!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6681636 - 03/17/07 07:53 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Satan can give spiritual "experiences" that seem POWERFUL. I have news for you, the anti-christ is already here, and has been here for hundreds of years, and sits in the Vatican. You call yourself an "Apostle", what non-sense!
No, I'm the Anti-Christ.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681644 - 03/17/07 07:58 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know I will be persecuted for this. I know there will be doubts, ridicule. I do this for the Glory of God. I ask nothing for myself, but only for his Glory. Amen
There will be individuals who will analyze the ideas you present critically, and to seek dissenting and alternate viewpoints in order to discuss the ideas and to develop further understanding. That is the purpose of this forum - open discussion. 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681655 - 03/17/07 08:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a friend who thinks he's Jesus... he never mentioned talking to you and telling you about all this stuff.
I shall have a fight with him for not keeping me up to date with his plans  .
Though he also thinks that the antichrist is one of his best friends...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6681656 - 03/17/07 08:03 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, I'm the Anti-Christ.
Doubt it sucker. I already claimed that title. You can be Santaclaus.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
#6681675 - 03/17/07 08:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, I'm the Anti-Christ.
Doubt it sucker. I already claimed that title. You can be Santaclaus.
Nuh uh, I'm the 666er of this world. You can be the Easter Bunny.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6681681 - 03/17/07 08:17 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was born on 4/20, Hitler's birthday. It was a powerful day for good or evil and he was the good one. Now get outta here Santa.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
#6681691 - 03/17/07 08:21 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was born on 4/20, Hitler's birthday. It was a powerful day for good or evil and he was the good one. Now get outta here Santa.
Born on 420? Damn, I guess you win. I was just kidding earlier, I'm not the Anti-Christ, I'm Satan himself.     
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6681713 - 03/17/07 08:28 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought we were related.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
#6681721 - 03/17/07 08:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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So if you're the Anti-Christ, and I'm Satan, that makes you my son. Hello, son.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6681853 - 03/17/07 09:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Deflate your ego a bit, if God has a message, don't you think he would tell us himself? or teach us himself?
He has been telling the world through signs, and prophets. Its just that you haven't been listening.
When there is a message to the masses, it is usually delivered by a prophet. However, the Bible warns us against false prophets, and as Jesus says, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
I went to a conference where a false prophet was speaking. He tried to sell many books & Cd's of his. God revealed to me that the evil one was strong in him, misleading him. God said all I could do was pray for him. He spoke of how some people he had prophesied fortune for killed themselves, died, or had financial ruin. He said it was because they were stupid or sinned that the prophecy didn't come true. This is false as everything God says is true. He had a book out called God's plan for the next 100 years. I knew it was false, as God's spirit had already told me one of the lies of the evil one is to make people think we have a future here on earth. That way he can get us attached to things of the earth and not of heaven, so he can destroy us on the earth. God wants us to know, that the earth is only temporary, that heavenly things last forever & it is heavenly things we should be seeking.
The Anti Christ has not yet revealed himself yet. He is waiting for the right moment. God has shown me what he looks like. He has shoulder length hair and will be dressed in white when he first appears. He will come out of the Iranian nuclear crisis. When you see him you will remember, & believe, but you will have a short time for conversion if you haven't given your life to God already.
It's alright that you ridicule me. Jesus was also ridiculed, he said I would to. I forgive you. I know it is difficult to believe, it took 6 months of God constantly telling me, and proving in so many ways until I finally believed. I am doing this cause Jesus is preparing me for what I am going to do, when the time comes. I do this for HIS glory that souls may be awakened to the truth, that we can only have life life by trusting Christ Jesus. Trust in the world will lead to death.
May God bless all who hear these words.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I went to a conference where a false prophet was speaking.
So you were giving a lecture? Interesting.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681887 - 03/17/07 09:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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But how do you know for sure that God is the one that's talking to you?
As you said, the devil can play many tricks to one's mind... so what makes you so sure it was God?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
#6681888 - 03/17/07 09:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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At the conference they asked anyone who wanted to speak a prophecy to go up. I tried to but one of the people there wouldn't let me go up, I sensed Satan misleading him. I knelt down and cried out to the lord and begged him to speak the the truth through one of the people who went up there to to speak a prophecy. The Lord listened and answered my prayer, he took control of many people there and they began to weep uncontrollably just like I was. The lord spoke through 3 people that went up saying, Jesus says I am coming soon. Jesus is coming soon, it is the evil one that tries to mislead us and think otherwise.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681899 - 03/17/07 09:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Christ is already here for those of us with gnosis. It is the evil one who tries to mislead us into thinking that his coming is an external, future event.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6681906 - 03/17/07 09:37 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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But how do you know for sure that God is the one that's talking to you?
As you said, the devil can play many tricks to one's mind... so what makes you so sure it was God?
The gift of discernment between spirits which God has given me. It starts with recognizing the where, what is being said is leading. What God is trying to say leads us to salvation. What the devil is trying to say leads us to destruction.
Keep in mind God has revealed this knowledge to me in many ways over the course of my entire life. He taught me how to recognize his voice. Last year he took the devil's voice away, so that I hear it now more, since I wasn't listening to him anyways.
The devil tried to make me think I was crazy, or I wasn't good enough to be chosen by God. In reality none of us are good enough, we are Dependant on God's mercy.
Here's a lesson in discernment: God wants us to trust in him, not things of the earth. That is why part of God's plan is to show us we can't trust the earth, so that we turn to him.
The devil wants us to trust in things of the earth and not of God. That is why the DEVIL is trying to mislead people into thinking the world will go on and you'll be safe on the earth
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
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Christ is already here for those of us with gnosis. It is the evil one who tries to mislead us into thinking that his coming is an external, future event.
Yes christ has come already to those who believe. But he will also come in glory "every eye to see" just as written in Revelations.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Christ is already here for those of us with gnosis. It is the evil one who tries to mislead us into thinking that his coming is an external, future event.
Yes christ has come already to those who believe. But he will also come in glory "every eye to see" just as written in Revelations.
Revelations is about an inner journey, not things to come. You have been deceived by the evil one.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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But how do you know for sure that God is the one that's talking to you?
As you said, the devil can play many tricks to one's mind... so what makes you so sure it was God?
The gift of discernment between spirits which God has given me. It starts with recognizing the where, what is being said is leading. What God is trying to say leads us to salvation. What the devil is trying to say leads us to destruction.
Keep in mind God has revealed this knowledge to me in many ways over the course of my entire life. He taught me how to recognize his voice. Last year he took the devil's voice away, so that I hear it now more, since I wasn't listening to him anyways.
The devil tried to make me think I was crazy, or I wasn't good enough to be chosen by God. In reality none of us are good enough, we are Dependant on God's mercy.
Here's a lesson in discernment: God wants us to trust in him, not things of the earth. That is why part of God's plan is to show us we can't trust the earth, so that we turn to him.
The devil wants us to trust in things of the earth and not of God. That is why the DEVIL is trying to mislead people into thinking the world will go on and you'll be safe on the earth
We all are part of God...
God is not a guy who's outside watching us.
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All this time I've loved you
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Here is true peace
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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"Keep in mind God has revealed this knowledge to me in many ways over the course of my entire life. He taught me how to recognize his voice. Last year he took the devil's voice away, so that I hear it now more, since I wasn't listening to him anyways."
Are you hearing actual voices? Have you considered that maybe these things are originating from yourself? How would you know if it was from yourself or not?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Yes we all are a part of God, Why is it people on here agree with me yet they sound like they are disagreeing? Am I not being clear?
Anyways, God wants me to share this:
In my childhood I had an out of body experience where I was taken high up above the earth, my soul wanted to leave the earth badly, I heard the voice of the Virgin Mary saying not yet, not till your 31. Later I had visions of one of God's angels with me before I was born showing me the life I would live and why I was being sent to earth. He the only way God can use you is to warn others of that these are the last days, since people won't know its the last days. He said you won't do this until the end of your time on earth. He showed me my entire life, I remember asking him, how will I know its the last days if I forget everything once I am born., and he said I will remind you, believe me, there will be so many signs in your life you won't be able to deny it, but only you will know. This knowledge was somehow SEEDED inside me from birth, like a sealed book hidden inside me with a timer only to be opened at the right time. Events in my life now are like a clock ticking, each time something in my life happens (from my point of view) thats happened before I FEEL how close the coming of the anti Christ is. I can sense it, sometimes the sense changes as God delays the coming of Anti Christ as an act of mercy as to allow time for more souls to convert, but he has also shown me events happening now that will give birth to the coming of the anti Christ.
"These things will happen whether you believe them or not."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I FEEL how close the coming of the anti Christ is.
Perhaps because he is coming within you.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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"Keep in mind God has revealed this knowledge to me in many ways over the course of my entire life. He taught me how to recognize his voice. Last year he took the devil's voice away, so that I hear it now more, since I wasn't listening to him anyways."
Are you hearing actual voices? Have you considered that maybe these things are originating from yourself? How would you know if it was from yourself or not?
I am not smart enough to conceive of the advanced things God has shown me, and the fruits of this knowledge is good. He has shown me the events he showed me long ago are now coming true. It is hard to describe how God has worked in me.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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So isn't the Antichrist a part of God also?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6681974 - 03/17/07 10:10 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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God respects free will, you can believe or not, but if you don't believe you have no excuse when it does happen because you WERE
warned.
If you haven't already, repent, and accept Jesus Christ as your savior. Live your life for him, not yourself.
Do so now, while there is still time.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6682049 - 03/17/07 10:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your doctrine of man's "free will" is not according to scripture. You have denied the doctrine of original sin and the effects of it, causing man to become spiritually dead and in bondage with an enslaved will.
You continue to preach a gospel of salvation by works, which is a damnable heresy.
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 Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6682176 - 03/17/07 10:58 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Keep in mind God has revealed this knowledge to me in many ways over the course of my entire life. He taught me how to recognize his voice. Last year he took the devil's voice away, so that I hear it now more, since I wasn't listening to him anyways."
Are you hearing actual voices? Have you considered that maybe these things are originating from yourself? How would you know if it was from yourself or not?
I am not smart enough to conceive of the advanced things God has shown me, and the fruits of this knowledge is good. He has shown me the events he showed me long ago are now coming true. It is hard to describe how God has worked in me.
http://www.christian-faith.com/testimonies/paranoid.htm
Seem at all familiar? It's just when you 'think' you're healed...that you really need the Haldol. Why not look into it?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
#6682212 - 03/17/07 11:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Perhaps because he is coming within you.
 Outside of context, this sounds funny.
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But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6682261 - 03/17/07 11:28 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Demotriton, if you're really hearing voices then you may be a schizophrenic. I would suggest visiting a psychiatrist.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6682266 - 03/17/07 11:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Before I was born my mother who had 3 miscarriages prayed to the Virgin Mary.
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She wasn't sure who she was but prayed to her in anyways. Mary appeared to her and said she would be blessed many times and that she was pregnant with her first child (me).
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I some intense spiritual experiences as a child which I forgot about as I became an adult.
On December 26th 2005 I begged the lord crying out in tears and asked him if the truth was even out there, if it even existed. For I knew that the world was lying to me.
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The voice of the Virgin Mary spoke to me and said "God is the truth".
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I realize this is kinda off topic, but this I feel is a decent explanation for why the vast majority of people join a religion. For social and developmental reasons. In this case most likely because the mother was particularly religious, so her attitudes were picked up by this poster.
Also, I suspect mystical experiences are based, if not completely, then at least partially, on neuro-chemical reactions. If this is indeed true, then what if certain changes occur, on a heritable or somehow genetic level, and can have an effect on a developing fetus? Or, at least here, do you think that there was some rational reason for the experience?
I personally think the latter is more likely...maybe there actually was someone in the house that was speaking to the poster, but Demotriton didn't realize it, and thought it was the virgin mary.
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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6682782 - 03/18/07 07:39 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Demotriton, if you're really hearing voices then you may be a schizophrenic. I would suggest visiting a psychiatrist.
...Or a shaman.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6682800 - 03/18/07 07:59 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't need Jesus anymore...you apparently are Jesus...or crazy as a shithouse rat...probably the latter.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#6682949 - 03/18/07 09:18 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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These prophets you speak of are nut jobs, what make these people so special to actually communicate with this so called "god" of yours?
Jesus said he was the son of god and people believed him.
I say it's total bullshit. All these religious leaders don't know anything.. seriously if they take everything from the bible they are just filling their heads with nonsense.
Peace,
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Droz]
#6683206 - 03/18/07 10:30 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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One problem with many of the "alternate" explanations posted here. They require NO FAITH.
Ephesians 2:8 "By this undeserved kindness indeed, you have been SAVED THROUGH FAITH, and this is not owing to you it is God's gift."
It is impossible to be saved without faith. It is dangerous to believe in things which require no faith.
Yes THERE IS A GOD, and yes he DOES SPEAK TO ME. I hear his voice because I believe in God, those who do not believe do not hear his voice.
You can say whatever you want about me, but please have some respect for Jesus. After all he is the means of salvation whom God sent.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6683255 - 03/18/07 10:40 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your doctrine of man's "free will" is not according to scripture. You have denied the doctrine of original sin and the effects of it, causing man to become spiritually dead and in bondage with an enslaved will.
You continue to preach a gospel of salvation by works, which is a damnable heresy.
Romans 5:12 - 17
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Original sin was done away with by Jesus Christ's Death & Resurrection. Just as sin entered into the world through one man (Adam) It was done away with Through another (Jesus Christ).
But this is of no benefit to you without Faith.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6683286 - 03/18/07 10:46 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's alright that you ridicule me. Jesus was also ridiculed, he said I would to. I forgive you.
You aren't being ridiculed. You are proposing ideas for discussion and they are being openly debated and discussed. Alternate viewpoints and dissenting ideas do not equate with ridicule. Not everyone thinks through your perspective on the matter, so we naturally will not accept aspects of it as being the reality of the matter. Thus we discuss. There is no need to make a martyr of oneself, just relax and discuss some ideas.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6683294 - 03/18/07 10:48 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Original sin was done away with by Jesus Christ's Death & Resurrection. Just as sin entered into the world through one man (Adam) It was done away with Through another (Jesus Christ).
But this is of no benefit to you without Faith.
So one is free from sin only if one has "Faith".
Ultimately, you are saying that if you agree with the ideas that you are presenting as they relate to "g*d", then your behavior will not be judged, but if you do not accept this doctrine, then you are not free from sin, which is a judgement that is placed upon another or oneself.
Feel free to elaborate further upon what exactly "Faith" is, so we can understand the mechanism by which one is resolved of "sin". Also, define for us "sin".
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Are you saying that original sin is done away for the entire race and therefore all born since the ressurection are no longer born in Adam in a fallen state?
Very important doctrinal truth is laid out in these verses (Romans 5:12-17). This section teaches federal headship of Adam and of Christ. It defines the doctrine of imputation. The first sin is imputed to all after Adam, not because of their own transgressions, but because of Adam they are imputed condemned. In the same manner Christ imputes His righteousness to all who will be saved (the elect), not because they are personally righteous, but because Christ is righteous they are considered as perfectly righteous.
"For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Notice it is by the obedience of one, not many acts of personal obedience by many. This section cuts out any attempt to become justified by personal acts of obedience. Christ ALONE is the sole and only CAUSE of justification, men's best religious efforts, faith, repentence, good works are NEVER a cause of justification, Christ's work alone is the cause. What you are teaching is opposed to this entirely. You have put the cart before the horse and have overturned the entire gospel.
If faith or repentence be a condition of salvation, then these things must be PERFECTLY done, since God's righteousness demands perfection. No work of man is ever perfectly done, therefore no one would be saved if this was true.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6683425 - 03/18/07 11:21 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6683441 - 03/18/07 11:24 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 John 3:9
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And as you gentlemen have already stated, we are all children of God. Guess we're all going to "heaven"...or at least we all have the option to.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6683467 - 03/18/07 11:32 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 John 3:9
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And as you gentlemen have already stated, we are all children of God. Guess we're all going to "heaven"...or at least we all have the option to.
All people by birth are not the children of God, the term always applies to those who God has converted.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6683478 - 03/18/07 11:36 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 John 3:9
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And as you gentlemen have already stated, we are all children of God. Guess we're all going to "heaven"...or at least we all have the option to.
All people by birth are not the children of God, the term always applies to those who God has converted.
Well, that's your interpretation. We were all created by "God." Hence, we are His children.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6683516 - 03/18/07 11:49 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 John 3:9
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
And as you gentlemen have already stated, we are all children of God. Guess we're all going to "heaven"...or at least we all have the option to.
All people by birth are not the children of God, the term always applies to those who God has converted.
Well, that's your interpretation. We were all created by "God." Hence, we are His children.
Scripture is clear that some are children of the devil. You quoted scripture in an effort to back up your assertion that every single person is a child of God. You twist the scripture to your own destruction.
John 8:43-44
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ac 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6683539 - 03/18/07 11:54 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Scripture is clear that some are children of the devil. You quoted scripture in an effort to back up your assertion that every single person is a child of God. You twist the scripture to your own destruction.
I didn't twist anything buddy. I quoted scripture exactly as it is. The Bible is replete with blatant contradictions, something you cannot compensate for.
In all reality you're just as much as a scripture twister as those you cast your blame on. You attempt to circumvent any contrary scriptural (or logical) evidence by labeling it as a "false teaching."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6683578 - 03/18/07 12:05 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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God is everywhere you only need to look for him. There are times when we pray but do not really look for God's answer even though it is there. Look for the signs that God gives each of you and you will find his answers. He is the truth and the light and only through him can you have eternal love and happiness. When we watch world affairs we can see the world is driven by power, but not the spiritual power but rather the world power. Control of oil, money, or other material gains is what drives the world. It is only when one lets love control your life that you find spiritual power and with it eternal life and happiness. God will bring many miracles during this time we only need to look for them. They are not advertised on TV but they are there just the same. God will begin to show them soon through the media, radio, TV, and movies.
Deserning truth is not hard when you look at the fruits of miracle. If it brings goodness and love it is of God.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: spirit3]
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"God" is an extremely elastic word. You need to be more specific as to which "God" it is that you are espousing.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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One question how many here are baptized in the holy spirit? I have been around, and know many people baptized in the spirit and I sense it NO ONE here. That is why I am trying to speak the truth to you. God sent me here because there is confusion. There are people here that THINK they are saved and are not.
Any one consider this:
1 John 3:24
and by this WE KNOW we are saved by the spirit he has given us.
When baptized with the Holy Spirit you are never the same again after receiving it. You receive the spirit of Truth. The only thing I desire is the kingdom of God. All I want to do is praise the Lord each & every second for all he has done for me. I want so badly to share this enormous gift to everyone around me. Please this gift of salvation is a very great thing, and I know that from the posts I've seen YOU DO NOT HAVE IT. Please God, LOVES YOU let us treat each other with respect, with Love, with kindness instead of auguring over who is right & who is wrong. Calling each other names, and ridicule is FROM THE EVIL ONE. Why can you not see this? ALL of us are sinners in need of God's unending mercy but we need to acknowledge that need. We need to fall down on our needs everyday and repent of every wrongdoing we've done against God and his children. We need to BEG for his forgiveness and BEG for his gift of salvation. Just TRY it! How can you say the truth is wrong without having tried it? Pleas LISTEN to the voice of truth.
GOD loves you. I LOVE you. Why is it you think I am risking all, telling you my family and all those close to me the Anti Christ is coming. I do it because that is God's plan for me. We all need to pray and ask for what God's plan is for us. Please, give your life to God now, its so simple ANYONE can do it.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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One question how many here are baptized in the holy spirit? I have been around, and know many people baptized in the spirit and I sense it NO ONE here. That is why I am trying to speak the truth to you. God sent me here because there is confusion. There are people here that THINK they are saved and are not.
Any one consider this:
1 John 3:24
and by this WE KNOW we are saved by the spirit he has given us.
When baptized with the Holy Spirit you are never the same again after receiving it. You receive the spirit of Truth. The only thing I desire is the kingdom of God. All I want to do is praise the Lord each & every second for all he has done for me. I want so badly to share this enormous gift to everyone around me. Please this gift of salvation is a very great thing, and I know that from the posts I've seen YOU DO NOT HAVE IT. Please God, LOVES YOU let us treat each other with respect, with Love, with kindness instead of auguring over who is right & who is wrong. Calling each other names, and ridicule is FROM THE EVIL ONE. Why can you not see this? ALL of us are sinners in need of God's unending mercy but we need to acknowledge that need. We need to fall down on our needs everyday and repent of every wrongdoing we've done against God and his children. We need to BEG for his forgiveness and BEG for his gift of salvation. Just TRY it! How can you say the truth is wrong without having tried it? Pleas LISTEN to the voice of truth.
GOD loves you. I LOVE you. Why is it you think I am risking all, telling you my family and all those close to me the Anti Christ is coming. I do it because that is God's plan for me. We all need to pray and ask for what God's plan is for us. Please, give your life to God now, its so simple ANYONE can do it.
There are many other religions who would say you're the antithesis of "God's" child. How are you right and they wrong?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Why do you think God would chose just one person (you) to make His work happen?
As you said, you didn't believe it first... so you weren't the perfect candidate for it...
Why wouldn't God speak to all of us and let us know what's happening?
I mean... He must be aware of how many false prophets are out there trying to make up believe they're telling the truth.
And you, until now, are giving us a hard time to make that distinction between yourself and the others sustaining the same thing.
Ca you make it clear for me?
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And searched this human race
Here is true peace
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6683667 - 03/18/07 12:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why is it you think I am risking all, telling you my family and all those close to me the Anti Christ is coming
You're not really risking anything by sitting comfortably behind a computer, quoting scripture thoughtlessly and literally.
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We all need to pray and ask for what God's plan is for us. Please, give your life to God now, its so simple ANYONE can do it.
If anything, being "saved" doesn't seem too enticing.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6683674 - 03/18/07 12:28 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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GOD is speaking through me. This WAS NOT my idea to come here & post. God is PREPARING me for the testimony I must give when the time comes. Please take God's word seriously, he speaks it through those whom he has given his spirit. He speaks these words cause he loves YOU and wants to save you. Will you except his invitation or will you continue to come up with excuses as why you don't want his salvation. Believe in the truth!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I wish I had a web cam cause I am weeping over you my brother. Please soften your heart to God's word. I do not want to see you hurt. All you have to do is repent of all your sinful ways, denying yourself and then ASK for God's forgiveness.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Isn't there a book called The God Delusion? Or a movie?
Read it, a delusion.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Scripture is clear that some are children of the devil. You quoted scripture in an effort to back up your assertion that every single person is a child of God. You twist the scripture to your own destruction.
Some of us may be the children of God whilst others the children on the devil.
But then I get around wondering... it's the devil the son of God too?
Isn't the devil also created by God?
Can't the devil come to better feelings (you were a non-believer of the scripture and then a "miracle" happened and you got back on the good "road"), so I'm wondering... can't the same thing apply to the devil? If so, if the devil starts believing in the scripture, will God take him back and forgive him?
I'm dying to know, please enlighten me.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6683689 - 03/18/07 12:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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GOD is speaking through me. This WAS NOT my idea to come here & post. God is PREPARING me for the testimony I must give when the time comes. Please take God's word seriously, he speaks it through those whom he has given his spirit. He speaks these words cause he loves YOU and wants to save you. Will you except his invitation or will you continue to come up with excuses as why you don't want his salvation. Believe in the truth!
There are a penumbra of "truths" in this world. You seriously need to do some reading outside of the Bible.
Please, answer my question: how is Christianity right and all the other religions of the world wrong?
Because right now all I'm getting from you is "the Bible says it is the true, inerrant Word of God. And I know this because the Bible says it is."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6683697 - 03/18/07 12:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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REPENT! REPENT! Do you not hear what the Lord has spoken? Who knows better God or you? He does this because he loves you. Please take this warning seriously and prepare yourself for Christ's coming.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6683699 - 03/18/07 12:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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GOD is speaking through me. This WAS NOT my idea to come here & post. God is PREPARING me for the testimony I must give when the time comes. Please take God's word seriously, he speaks it through those whom he has given his spirit. He speaks these words cause he loves YOU and wants to save you. Will you except his invitation or will you continue to come up with excuses as why you don't want his salvation. Believe in the truth!
There are a penumbra of "truths" in this world. You seriously need to do some reading outside of the Bible.
Please, answer my question: how is Christianity right and all the other religions of the world wrong?
Because right now all I'm getting from you is "the Bible says it is the true, inerrant Word of God. And I know this because the Bible says it is."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6683707 - 03/18/07 12:34 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Have faith my child. Why do you question my word?"
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6683716 - 03/18/07 12:36 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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REPENT! REPENT! Do you not hear what the Lord has spoken? Who knows better God or you? He does this because he loves you. Please take this warning seriously and prepare yourself for Christ's coming.
Repent for what?
You didn't really give a a true reason.
From your previous posts, I understood that God wants us to be aware that there are many false prophets. And we shouldn't listen to them.
SO, Here comes: HOW in the world can we be sure you are the right prophet?
Just because you say so?
Don't the rest of the prophets do the same?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6683723 - 03/18/07 12:38 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stop side-stepping my question.
How is Christianity right and all of the other religions of the world wrong?
There are innumerable "truths" written in books the world over. How is it that, say, Scientology or Islam aren't the "truth?"
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6683724 - 03/18/07 12:38 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because I LOVE you & care about what happens to you? Can you not see that? Would I have all my brothers be led like sheep to the slaughterhouse because they do not believe?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Because I LOVE you & care about what happens to you? Can you not see that? Would I have all my brothers be led like sheep to the slaughterhouse because they do not believe?
No one is being led to the slaughterhouse because they do not believe in your doctrine, unless, of course, you personally lead them there.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Scripture is clear that some are children of the devil. You quoted scripture in an effort to back up your assertion that every single person is a child of God. You twist the scripture to your own destruction.
Some of us may be the children of God whilst others the children on the devil.
But then I get around wondering... it's the devil the son of God too?
Isn't the devil also created by God?
Can't the devil come to better feelings (you were a non-believer of the scripture and then a "miracle" happened and you got back on the good "road"), so I'm wondering... can't the same thing apply to the devil? If so, if the devil starts believing in the scripture, will God take him back and forgive him?
I'm dying to know, please enlighten me.
No atonement was made for devils (fallen angels), only humans who God has chosen to eternal life. The devil knows scripture very well, and knows exactly who Christ is. Christ was born human to redeem humans. He was not made an angel to redeem angels. Angels are ministering spirits for those who will become saved.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6683776 - 03/18/07 12:54 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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REPENT! REPENT! Do you not hear what the Lord has spoken? Who knows better God or you? He does this because he loves you. Please take this warning seriously and prepare yourself for Christ's coming.
Repent for what?
You didn't really give a a true reason.
From your previous posts, I understood that God wants us to be aware that there are many false prophets. And we shouldn't listen to them.
SO, Here comes: HOW in the world can we be sure you are the right prophet?
Just because you say so?
Don't the rest of the prophets do the same?
The only way to know a true prophet from a false one is by comparing the doctrine they bring against the scriptures.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6683796 - 03/18/07 01:02 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No atonement was made for devils (fallen angels), only humans who God has chosen to eternal life. The devil knows scripture very well, and knows exactly who Christ is. Christ was born human to redeem humans. He was not made an angel to redeem angels. Angels are ministering spirits for those who will become saved.
Ok... so let me reformulate it for you.
What is the devil suddenly decides he's tired of fighting God and decides to repent for his mistakes ( and of course... doing whatever he has to do in rder to make the angels believe him and help him )... so then... he'll not be a fallen angel anymore?
What will happen then?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6683823 - 03/18/07 01:12 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No atonement was made for devils (fallen angels), only humans who God has chosen to eternal life. The devil knows scripture very well, and knows exactly who Christ is. Christ was born human to redeem humans. He was not made an angel to redeem angels. Angels are ministering spirits for those who will become saved.
Ok... so let me reformulate it for you.
What is the devil suddenly decides he's tired of fighting God and decides to repent for his mistakes ( and of course... doing whatever he has to do in rder to make the angels believe him and help him )... so then... he'll not be a fallen angel anymore?
What will happen then?
He will still be a fallen angel. Salvation is contingent on the atonement, not on repenting or any other act. Since fallen angels have no atonement they can not be reconciled.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6684075 - 03/18/07 02:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No atonement was made for devils (fallen angels), only humans who God has chosen to eternal life. The devil knows scripture very well, and knows exactly who Christ is. Christ was born human to redeem humans. He was not made an angel to redeem angels. Angels are ministering spirits for those who will become saved.
Ok... so let me reformulate it for you.
What is the devil suddenly decides he's tired of fighting God and decides to repent for his mistakes ( and of course... doing whatever he has to do in rder to make the angels believe him and help him )... so then... he'll not be a fallen angel anymore?
What will happen then?
He will still be a fallen angel. Salvation is contingent on the atonement, not on repenting or any other act. Since fallen angels have no atonement they can not be reconciled.
Don't you think it contradicts the laws of God?
From the way you put it, the devil doesn't stand a chance in becoming a good guy even of he wants to.
How is that possible?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6684136 - 03/18/07 02:48 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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If he repented. By why would he repent when he is convinced that he is just as good as God.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6684139 - 03/18/07 02:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just as there are men who do not repent because they think they are as good as God.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6684148 - 03/18/07 02:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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A man who repents receives God's mercy.
One who humbles himself.
One who is weak.
Not the proud.
Not one who exhalts himself.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6684183 - 03/18/07 03:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Demotriton, what will you say to Allah when he asks you why you didn't bow to Him?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6684184 - 03/18/07 03:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just as there are men who do not repent because they think they are as good as God.
Or those who do not repent because they have not directly perceived the concept "g*d" that you refer to. These people do not enertain the notion and do not act in relation to it. Not everyone's mind is centered around the idea that you propose here. As definite and real as you think it may be, not everyone finds it to be so. You can make up reasons consistent with your belief why this might be, but its simply not going to reflect the reality of the matter.
g*d is simply not part of the equation for some. Clearly, if g*d wanted to speak to someone he would be aware of how to do so in a manner that would ensure that the individual understood. There is no need for a crusade to convert people who one proclaims g*d himself is not capable of converting.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6684249 - 03/18/07 03:15 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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What a mess this all is. Even the two fundamentalists, who both believe salvation comes out of the same book try to discredit each other.
If this results from 'finding the truth inside that book' then I am closed to believe that this book, what perhaps in some times contained some good truth, was tainted so much by evil humans and their interpretation, that one is supposed to go to war and kill each other after reading it.
I tend to think that none of the both have understood that what lies behind the words of that book, else they would have reason behind their words. That is not the case.
Poor thread.
A shame for all christians, imho.
Deeds tell more than words. And words of separation cause evil deeds.
Yes, I see that I separate me with this, therefor I stop now.
I wish both of you good luck with your faith and wish you won't set it on wrong premises and will recognise when you do so, before spouting out that you are telling the word of G*D or have found the 'right' gospel.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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No atonement was made for devils (fallen angels), only humans who God has chosen to eternal life. The devil knows scripture very well, and knows exactly who Christ is. Christ was born human to redeem humans. He was not made an angel to redeem angels. Angels are ministering spirits for those who will become saved.
Ok... so let me reformulate it for you.
What is the devil suddenly decides he's tired of fighting God and decides to repent for his mistakes ( and of course... doing whatever he has to do in rder to make the angels believe him and help him )... so then... he'll not be a fallen angel anymore?
What will happen then?
He will still be a fallen angel. Salvation is contingent on the atonement, not on repenting or any other act. Since fallen angels have no atonement they can not be reconciled.
Don't you think it contradicts the laws of God?
From the way you put it, the devil doesn't stand a chance in becoming a good guy even of he wants to.
How is that possible?
Mercy is not owed to anyone. There is no injustice in not showing mercy.
Ro 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6684266 - 03/18/07 03:19 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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From the way you put it, the devil doesn't stand a chance in becoming a good guy even of he wants to.
How is that possible?
Because fiveys GOD is an evil one ? 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
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From the way you put it, the devil doesn't stand a chance in becoming a good guy even of he wants to.
How is that possible?
Because fiveys GOD is an evil one ?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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If he repented. By why would he repent when he is convinced that he is just as good as God.
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Just as there are men who do not repent because they think they are as good as God.
You came to some people that don't repent to tell them to repent in order to make God forgive them and save them. The same thing goes for thte devil. He doesn't repent... but he could. Just as some of us could. That's why you came here in the first place.
Because you thought that God, through you would save a few more souls.
Btw, if I would tell you that God was talking to me, would you believe me?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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From the way you put it, the devil doesn't stand a chance in becoming a good guy even of he wants to.
How is that possible?
Because fiveys GOD is an evil one ?
Indeed
The very thing that men see as evil, is the very thing that demonstrates the love of God to those who believe. Scripture declares sovereign election. Man rebels against this doctrine as unfair and unjust. But to the believer it shows the love of God, that while we were dead in sins, God loved us. (1Jo 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.) He loved us so much that He would go to hell for us, even while we were dead, and in emnity agaist Him, and hating Him, yet despite this, He loved us. This is true love, unconditional love, unending love.
2Co 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
I hope you all may believe this and know the joy of salvation.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Ro 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Fal 1.01 The bible is a whirlwind of words where a man may gather what words that please him.
1.02 If word were as feathers, all could feather their bed from this book.
1.03 The rich man, the poor man, the wicked and the righteous shall all be comforted.
1.04 If you be troubled take words from the bible that console you.
The trouble with you using quotes from the bible is that the meaning that you assign to them can't be questioned. Also you are quoting out of context.
Fivepointer I read downstream from this quote and god's gone and got all soft again.
This chapter, Romans, reads more like an exercise in logic, rather than
some revelation laid down by the almighty.
Fal 1.05 Falcon will not be put upon to pick quotes out of the bible to defend his arguments.
1.06 Falcon will be quite upset by those who cherry pick quotes from the bible, for it is duplicitous and deceitful.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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I hope you all may believe this and know the joy of salvation
But what if I'm not elect?
And what about Allah? He says that believing in "God's" other than him is a damnable transgression.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I hope you all may believe this and know the joy of salvation
But what if I'm not elect?
And what about Allah? He says that believing in "God's" other than him is a damnable transgression.
If your not elect you will get what you deserve.
"Allah" is a muslim god that does not exist.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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I hope you all may believe this and know the joy of salvation
But what if I'm not elect?
And what about Allah? He says that believing in "God's" other than him is a damnable transgression.
If your not elect you will get what you deserve.
"Allah" is a muslim god that does not exist.
So according to you, Fivepointer, I can piss and moan for salvation all I want, but if I'm not elect I'll burn in hell for eternity, right? Regardless of how much I plea for Christ's mercy and rapture I'm bound to perpetual torture? That sounds very merciful.
"Yahweh" is a Christian god that does not exist.
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Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man - living in the sky - who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time...But He loves you!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Condemned to burn for eternity by an all loving God.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
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Wow! God is so awesome! He LOVES all of you, what do you have to worry about with a God that is as loving as the one I AM IN THE PRESENCE OF RIGHT NOW! He wants me to tell you that he is a LOVING GOD. He sends NO ONE to hell! He is made of pure light! & is radiating pure Love! He is filled with so many beautiful colors! Why would you doubt a God like this who's name is Jehovah!
Praise be to God the most high!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6685498 - 03/18/07 09:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You need to read MarkostheGnostic's posts on Transpersonal Identity Disorder and Gnosticism.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Wow! God is so awesome! He LOVES all of you, what do you have to worry about with a God that is as loving as the one I AM IN THE PRESENCE OF RIGHT NOW! He wants me to tell you that he is a LOVING GOD. He sends NO ONE to hell! He is made of pure light! & is radiating pure Love! He is filled with so many beautiful colors! Why would you doubt a God like this who's name is Jehovah!
Praise be to God the most high!
By the way, are you on heroin?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6685510 - 03/18/07 09:35 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I'm in the presence of GOD! Why would I need anything at all. God is THAT good. 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6685529 - 03/18/07 09:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Explain to us how you're in the presence of "God." Is He sitting next to you?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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God dwells within in me, but I also feel his presence around me, All the time! It's awesome way better than anything on this earth. Who would of thought that heaven on Earth is real! All you have to do is believe! Ask God's forgiveness and show him you want a relationship with him. He'll forgive you. You do want to be as happy as you can possibly be more and more everyday don't you?
Jesus rocks!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Oh boy...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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At least, I prefer a loving g*d to a hating one who tries to separate.
The faith in Jesus isn't the only 'salvation'. I couldn't accept a g*d who select people about which people they have faith in. That is ridiculous and discredits all the good other faiths on earth, yes, it discredits g*d it-/her-/himself.
Please do the salvation by your own, else it absolutely doesn't make any sense.
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 Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6686728 - 03/19/07 10:30 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Yahweh" is a Christian god that does not exist.
Isn't Yahweh that ugly fat guy who said he could call UFOs on demand? Didn't he say that a giant alien ship would hover over Vegas for several days last year.
ET was a no-show, but people still believe the guy even though he was caught red-handed with an accomplice releasing mylar helium balloons whenever he 'called down' the aliens.
Nothing ever changes...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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One problem with many of the "alternate" explanations posted here. They require NO FAITH.
Ephesians 2:8 "By this undeserved kindness indeed, you have been SAVED THROUGH FAITH, and this is not owing to you it is God's gift."
It is impossible to be saved without faith. It is dangerous to believe in things which require no faith.
Yes THERE IS A GOD, and yes he DOES SPEAK TO ME. I hear his voice because I believe in God, those who do not believe do not hear his voice.
You can say whatever you want about me, but please have some respect for Jesus. After all he is the means of salvation whom God sent.
Don't we have a M&R forum for this sort of thing? Why do the prophets always post their unquestionable revelations in this forum which is dedicated to the discussion of all that is susceptible to reason and accessible to all mortal men?
I hate to appeal to authority, but do any mods have feelings on this either way?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Chesh]
#6686794 - 03/19/07 10:58 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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How better to refute nonsense than to allow it be posted here and critiqued rationally?
I'd rather have the opportunity to show the shaky grounds on which these bizarre beliefs are formed than to have them trumpeted unchallenged in the mumbo jumbo forum as if they were unassailable truths.
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Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Diploid]
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Be careful what you ask for. There's a lot o nuts out there.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Diploid]
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So often though it seems that when faith for faith's sake is the foundation of belief it becomes unassailable, and debate with believers an exercise in futility; I thought that was the point of having two forums, one for discussion of ideas, the other for articulating what would fall into the realm of dogmatic 'warnings' or 'prophecy'.
But it's all good, I'm simply prone to arrogance and becoming annoyed, so I guess that I should just keep my cursor away from these sorts of topics.
Thank you for the timely response, and good day.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Chesh]
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You are absolutely right !
It is only a call for challenge from their side
Else they wouldn't step into the ARENA of P&S
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Chesh]
#6687005 - 03/19/07 12:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good post.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
#6693074 - 03/20/07 08:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just thought I would shed this light
Christianity is NOT Spiritual Laziness.
Each & everyday I work to please God the best way I can. I ask him everyday on what I can do. I have given my life to God, I live it for him. I love God more than anything and each day am learning how to better love & serve him as well as others. Why do I do this? I do this because I Love him for all he has done for me I owe my life to him and give it to him everyday in everything I do. His Holy spirit transformed me, I no longer see my life as mine, but as belonging to God. Each day God reveals more of himself, more of his love, & more of his plan for me. Receiving God's mercy is the greatest thing thats happened to me. Its great to be alive, where as without God I was DEAD.
The more I learn of others beliefs on here the more I realize we believe in the same thing its just HOW we look at it & HOW we look at it can mean the difference between being entering heaven, hell or somewhere in between.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6696209 - 03/21/07 04:28 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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The more I learn of others beliefs on here the more I realize we believe in the same thing its just HOW we look at it & HOW we look at it can mean the difference between being entering heaven, hell or somewhere in between.
The difference between entering heaven or not is the imputed righteousness of Christ, not something you do. The fact that you state the Romanist doctrine of purgatory ("somewhere in between") proves that you do not believe the atonement is what makes the difference between salvation and damnation. You are ignorant of God's righteousness revealed in the gospel, and you have not submitted yourself to the righteousness of God. Your doctrine is not of the Holy Spirit, but of the spirit of deception.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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The more I learn of others beliefs on here the more I realize we believe in the same thing its just HOW we look at it & HOW we look at it can mean the difference between being entering heaven, hell or somewhere in between.
The difference between entering heaven or not is the imputed righteousness of Christ, not something you do. The fact that you state the Romanist doctrine of purgatory ("somewhere in between") proves that you do not believe the atonement is what makes the difference between salvation and damnation. You are ignorant of God's righteousness revealed in the gospel, and you have not submitted yourself to the righteousness of God. Your doctrine is not of the Holy Spirit, but of the spirit of deception.
Oh my, here we go again 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6696333 - 03/21/07 05:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just thought I would shed this light
Christianity is NOT Spiritual Laziness.
Each & everyday I work to please God the best way I can. I ask him everyday on what I can do. I have given my life to God, I live it for him. I love God more than anything and each day am learning how to better love & serve him as well as others. Why do I do this? I do this because I Love him for all he has done for me I owe my life to him and give it to him everyday in everything I do. His Holy spirit transformed me, I no longer see my life as mine, but as belonging to God. Each day God reveals more of himself, more of his love, & more of his plan for me. Receiving God's mercy is the greatest thing thats happened to me. Its great to be alive, where as without God I was DEAD.
The more I learn of others beliefs on here the more I realize we believe in the same thing its just HOW we look at it & HOW we look at it can mean the difference between being entering heaven, hell or somewhere in between.
 It's fine dude. You work for god all you want. I don't care. I think what you believe is nuts but who cares?
Maybe we do believe the same and you are a master of disguise.
At least your beliefs are not so mean spirited and fear driven as another fundamentalist here.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
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Just thought I would shed this light
Christianity is NOT Spiritual Laziness.
Each & everyday I work to please God the best way I can. I ask him everyday on what I can do. I have given my life to God, I live it for him. I love God more than anything and each day am learning how to better love & serve him as well as others. Why do I do this? I do this because I Love him for all he has done for me I owe my life to him and give it to him everyday in everything I do. His Holy spirit transformed me, I no longer see my life as mine, but as belonging to God. Each day God reveals more of himself, more of his love, & more of his plan for me. Receiving God's mercy is the greatest thing thats happened to me. Its great to be alive, where as without God I was DEAD.
The more I learn of others beliefs on here the more I realize we believe in the same thing its just HOW we look at it & HOW we look at it can mean the difference between being entering heaven, hell or somewhere in between.
It's fine dude. You work for god all you want. I don't care. I think what you believe is nuts but who cares?
Maybe we do believe the same and you are a master of disguise.
At least your beliefs are not so mean spirited and fear driven as another fundamentalist here.
Pr 18:7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6696436 - 03/21/07 06:03 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fundamentalism
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Basilides]
#6696445 - 03/21/07 06:05 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fundamentalists really make me laugh hard because I used to be one myself. It took some personal heartache, as well as plenty of reading, to slowly shift my mind away from literalist Christianity. I've never been happier.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Demotriton said:
Just thought I would shed this light
Christianity is NOT Spiritual Laziness.
Each & everyday I work to please God the best way I can. I ask him everyday on what I can do. I have given my life to God, I live it for him. I love God more than anything and each day am learning how to better love & serve him as well as others. Why do I do this? I do this because I Love him for all he has done for me I owe my life to him and give it to him everyday in everything I do. His Holy spirit transformed me, I no longer see my life as mine, but as belonging to God. Each day God reveals more of himself, more of his love, & more of his plan for me. Receiving God's mercy is the greatest thing thats happened to me. Its great to be alive, where as without God I was DEAD.
The more I learn of others beliefs on here the more I realize we believe in the same thing its just HOW we look at it & HOW we look at it can mean the difference between being entering heaven, hell or somewhere in between.
It's fine dude. You work for god all you want. I don't care. I think what you believe is nuts but who cares?
Maybe we do believe the same and you are a master of disguise.
At least your beliefs are not so mean spirited and fear driven as another fundamentalist here.
Pr 18:7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.
Until now, your mouth is the one filled with destruction... how can a person who is so "into God" make the kind of statements you make?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Until now, your mouth is the one filled with destruction... how can a preson who is so "into God" make the kind of statements you make?
He can because he's a "God Warrior." Anyone who is elected by "God" before birth is granted the right to condemn others; cast judgment on others; label anyone with a viewpoint different than their own as a "false prophet"; and last but not least, they may freely tell others that now matter how sincere their quest for salvation be, without "God's " predestination you can look forward to an eternity in hell.
Remember guys, in 50 years from now Jesus is going to fly down with a cape on and save the day. Revelation says so.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I have condemned no one, you must resort to slander due to the weakness of your position.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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I have condemned no one, you must resort to slander due to the weakness of your position.
You don't have to pull the "you resort to personalisms" card on me. I realize what I'm doing. If you'll read the rest of my post you'll notice how accurate my statements are in regards to your statements here recently. I think many people would agree with me in stating that you're stilted, literalist view of Christianity is the weaker view at hand.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6696550 - 03/21/07 06:33 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude you're missing the whole point, Jesus was all about LOVE.
Which obviously you lack of.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I have condemned no one, you must resort to slander due to the weakness of your position.
You don't have to pull the "you resort to personalisms" card on me. I realize what I'm doing. If you'll read the rest of my post you'll notice how accurate my statements are in regards to your statements here recently. I think many people would agree with me in stating that you're stilted, literalist view of Christianity is the weaker view at hand.
To say his position is weak (using logic) is a vast understatement.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Dude you're missing the whole point, Jesus was all about LOVE.
Which obviously you lack of.
Don't go there sweetie.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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The gospel is about love, righteousness and God's attributes. Without sin, righteousness, and judgement you have no gospel.
Self-righteous religionists hate the gospel because it declares their best religious works unacceptable outside of Christ's righteousness alone. This self-righteous religion takes the form of you must meet condition X, Y, or Z to earn salvation. The gospel is live and do, not do and live.
Anyone who brings the true gospel will be hated by the world because it testifies their deeds are evil, and they will not accept this, since they can not see themselves as the lost broken sinners needing salvation unless God Himself brings them into conviction, they can never see this due to the inate depravity they are born into.
Men hate the fact that God is all powerful and sovereign in the all things, and ordains all things, including salvation and damnation.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
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I have condemned no one, you must resort to slander due to the weakness of your position.
You don't have to pull the "you resort to personalisms" card on me. I realize what I'm doing. If you'll read the rest of my post you'll notice how accurate my statements are in regards to your statements here recently. I think many people would agree with me in stating that you're stilted, literalist view of Christianity is the weaker view at hand.
To say his position is weak (using logic) is a vast understatement.
He uses the scripture, not the logic
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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The gospel is about love, righteousness and God's attributes. Without sin, righteousness, and judgement you have no gospel.
Self-righteous religionists hate the gospel because it declares their best religious works unacceptable outside of Christ's righteousness alone. This self-righteous religion takes the form of you must meet condition X, Y, or Z to earn salvation. The gospel is live and do, not do and live.
Anyone who brings the true gospel will be hated by the world because it testifies their deeds are evil, and they will not accept this, since they can not see themselves as the lost broken sinners needing salvation unless God Himself brings them into conviction, they can never see this due to the inate depravity they are born into.
Men hate the fact that God is all powerful and sovereign in the all things, and ordains all things, including salvation and damnation.
Ahhh hate is a big word and it's not the actual feeling that the gospel make me feel.
I'd say I just feel different and I put more price on my own thinking and perception then on some "must-do list" written by somebody else.
Btw, just hypothetically speaking, if you had the power, could you send to hell somebody you love?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Men hate the fact that God is all powerful and sovereign in the all things, and ordains all things, including salvation and damnation.
It's more like men fear to be awake and responsible for living. Those who fear life and living need a daddy to tell them how to live and what's what and to tell them if they obey then daddy will send the boogy man away. These are not men really they are still infants. But what can be done? We are each responsible for facing or running from fears.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6697391 - 03/21/07 09:29 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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We are ALL children of God. Is it not written in the bible that you must be as child to enter the kingdom of heaven?
WE NEED God and we know him through Christ Jesus OUR savior.
Edited by Demotriton (03/21/07 09:35 PM)
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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You know, if salvation is provided by "faith alone" it would follow logically that you could ignore all of Jesus' moral/ethic teachings.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6697502 - 03/21/07 09:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are mistaken part of having Faith Christ is knowing Jesus, knowing Jesus is loving him, loving him is OBEYING his commandments.
John 14:23
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6697517 - 03/21/07 09:56 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you just forget about the Reformation? The whole reason Martin Luther revolted against the Church and the Papacy was because of their vast set of superfluous rules and sacraments. Martin Luther preached salvation by "faith alone," which, if you can read English, the phrase "faith alone" clearly posits that works are irrelevant to one's salvation.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6697522 - 03/21/07 09:57 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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God did not divide his church, man did.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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God did not divide his church, man did.
Right...
Anyways, the fact that the better fraction of modern Christendom preaches the "faith alone" doctrine allows any logical individual to consider moral rules and regulations as useless.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Demotriton, would you even consider the possibility that you could be completely, utterly wrong?
When did you become a "Christian?"
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Moral rules & regulations are not meant to control. We choose to follow God's laws so as to become more like him. This pleases him. From what I am finding out from personal experience, live is much better following God's laws than our own. God does not wish to force these morals on anyone, he wants us to choose them. By choosing to live according to how God wants us to live (morals & regulations) we choose God. It is impossible for man to follow them completely which is why he sent his son Jesus. After Jesus was glorified (died and rose from the dead & accented into heaven) he sent us his holy spirit. It is through the holy spirit it becomes possible for man to be saved. The holy spirit helps us grow in holiness, this is a process that takes time and effort, but it would be impossible without God's help.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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We choose to follow God's laws so as to become more like him. This pleases him
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The holy spirit helps us grow in holiness, this is a process that takes time and effort, but it would be impossible without God's help
So if we can never be like "God," then attempting to live life by his law is truly an exercise in futility.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6697580 - 03/21/07 10:13 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I became a christian on 12-26-2005
Although I was raised Catholic, I fell away & dabbed around in many beliefs, until I became a christian.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6697588 - 03/21/07 10:16 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is the holy spirit which makes it possible for us to be like God. The holy spirit is the spirit of God living within us. He works through us. Our body becomes a temple of God, with God living inside us & working through us.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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It is the holy spirit which makes it possible for us to be like God. The holy spirit is the spirit of God living within us. He works through us. Our body becomes a temple of God, with God living inside us & working through us.
So, according to you, if someone who has the Holy Spirit within them can become identical to "God?"
You can try all you want, but no one can adhere perfectly to the rules of Bible. We have natural inclination to feed our own sentiments. Living by a strict is law is truly an exercise in futility.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6697639 - 03/21/07 10:28 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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With the holy spirit we can become more like Jesus here on earth, but that process is brought to completion in HEAVEN. We show God we want, what he's got for us in heaven down here on earth, by trying to live like were in heaven.
I know a lot of people on here (I used to be one of them) don't want to give up their way of life to follow Jesus, but I can tell you that I am MUCH happier now, following Jesus than I ever was before.
What psychedelic drugs USED to do for me, God now does for me. I found out what I was looking for in those drugs was really God, I was just looking in the wrong place. Heaven is way cooler than any trip you could have here on earth. God is cool, rightousness is awesome, thats what I came to realize, once I found out what rightousness was.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6697653 - 03/21/07 10:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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What psychedelic drugs USED to do for me, God now does for me. I found out what I was looking for in those drugs was really God, I was just looking in the wrong place. Heaven is way cooler than any trip you could have here on earth. God is cool, rightousness is awesome, thats what I came to realize, once I found out what rightousness was.
So you're telling me that "God" provides full blown psychedelic experiences for you? Damn! Tell "God" to send me an acid trip tomorrow night!
You're right, "God" is cool. If I don't believe in Him I'll burn for eternity. What a loving guy!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6697667 - 03/21/07 10:35 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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You do realize that those that go to hell CHOOSE Hell themselves God doesn't send anyone there. Our lives after we leave the earth mirror those in the afterlife. Thing is, following God's laws is what will truly make us happy & we must have faith in this.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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You do realize that those that go to hell CHOOSE Hell themselves God doesn't send anyone there.
But "God" created all things, and being an omniscient being, "God" knew ahead of time that His creation would fall short of his law. Therefore, "God" created Satan, Hell, and all of those who will dwell in it. Further, "God" is sinning through man by creating a being that will inevitably do wrong.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6698215 - 03/22/07 02:32 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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By following our faith in our ultimate experience of joy, in compassionate awareness of the NOW, we find, what G*D presents us for us to chose to be happy.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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may I butt in to say that I am quite impressed by how most of this thread has not been full of total blatant flaming, which is what tends to happen in long threads such as these.
either fireworks has been on top of things or you guys have a sound idea on conversation flow.
I have one question for you demotriton...
why do you want glory for god?
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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We are ALL children of God. Is it not written in the bible that you must be as child to enter the kingdom of heaven?
WE NEED God and we know him through Christ Jesus OUR savior.
I will repaste what I have stated earlier:
Scripture is clear that some are children of the devil.
John 8:43-44
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Ac 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil;
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
How do you reconcile your doctrine with these verses? Many more verses can be produced on this subject as well.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Scripture is clear that some are children of the devil.
Yet it is not clear that scripture exists as a source of verifiable truth. The simple fact that one has assumed it to be truth does not substantiate that it is. The foundation of the viewpoint you proposed is found by many to not be a source of objective truth as to the nature of reality. How do you reconcile this?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
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Scripture is clear that some are children of the devil.
Yet it is not clear that scripture exists as a source of verifiable truth. The simple fact that one has assumed it to be truth does not substantiate that it is. The foundation of the viewpoint you proposed is found by many to not be a source of objective truth as to the nature of reality. How do you reconcile this?
I am speaking to someone who claims the Bible is the source of all doctrine, so as long as he claims this he must reconcile his position with the scripture.
I don't have to reconcile anything. Those who believe the scripture are taught by God to know it is from God and 100% trustworthy. I can't make anyone believe anything. I used to think exactly the same way you do, until I was shown the truth, I thought it was all a bunch of nonsense. God does the teaching and applying with the Word and the Spirit.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
#6700439 - 03/22/07 06:20 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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fivepointer, just curious. You refer to God as male (He). Is God really a male being?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: kaiowas]
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either fireworks has been on top of things or you guys have a sound idea on conversation flow.
A little bit of both, perhaps?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: kaiowas]
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may I butt in to say that I am quite impressed by how most of this thread has not been full of total blatant flaming, which is what tends to happen in long threads such as these.
either fireworks has been on top of things or you guys have a sound idea on conversation flow.
Remember the Holy Spirit is at work here, helps keep the peace.
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[I have one question for you demotriton...
why do you want glory for god?
I want Glory for God because I LOVE him. I want to do my best to please him. I do not see anything wrong with LOVING God and following his commandments because I LOVE what he is and WANT to be more like him.
I have no idea fivepointer on what it is I am saying that is contrary to the truth? It seems I speak one truth & you speak a different truth and then say mine is contrary. That does not make any sense to me. Tell me fivepointer, has God given you the gift of Discernment? Can you distinguish between spirits? Can you distinguish between where something is leading? This is a GIFT from God. There is nothing wrong with not having this gift, but I am curious to whether you have it.
What is wrong with Pleasing God with your actions? How can trying to Please God be wrong? I see only Good fruits in doing this. I only try to bring the message of truth.
Is it because God revealed to me the Anti Christ that somehow I must be misleading you? How can this be so as the devil wants people to thing the world will keep on going as it is, so the world can continue to be a snare. God wants us to dwell on things of the spirit, he made us to love him and be with him in HEAVEN not on earth. The world is only a TEMPORARY residence. Why is it so hard to believe that God wants to destroy all evil from the earth? The Great tribulation is God's way of ridding evil from the earth. The world will be brought to the brink of annihilation, then the Earth will undergo a pole shift, this will radically change the face of the earth. After God has ended the Anti Christ's reign there will be peace. Governments that arise from the ashes of the old will consult GOD, before doing anything, much like kings of Israel did in the old testament. I know it is hard to believe, I pray God may give you a dream or a sign so that you may believe.
Edited by Demotriton (03/23/07 12:48 AM)
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6701406 - 03/22/07 10:10 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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How do you reconcile your Christian beliefs with the other religions of the world?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
#6701776 - 03/23/07 12:27 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know that anyone can be saved. When I found God he lead me to Christ Jesus. Jesus didn't come to save just christians but the whole world.
Phillipians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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the world is a better place without Satan, then Jesus is allowed to save every single human that exists.......
why is this divisive dogma here? If God is real then he should have providence enough to make sure that every human is saved, that no one has any power that is even close to as powerful as his... it just weaves this story that sucks honestly.
There are so many Boddhisattvas that won't rest until every being is liberated, even from the hell realms, every single one it doesn't matter if it's Manson or Hitler or Joseph Smith or Oprah....... and it's such a peaceful reality where you can trust yourself, you can trust spirituality, you can trust God, becuase God isn't the devil in disguise tricking you with spiritual visions and holy states of consciousness.....
I hate it honestly. Why is the message of Jesus confounded by all of this? Why is my evidence different than yours? What if the Devil is the Christian GOd, i.e., the illuminati, i.e. people on power trips writing a book that will ensure that its readers inherit a martyr complex?
It seems like as long as you believe in Satan, hell, the devil, you can never know for sure if you are saved, or just being deceived by spiritual powers given to you by the devil rather than God...... know what I mean?
I'm full of love... but ... damn it's SATAN'S LOVE and I was deceived because it wasn't truly Christ's...... what a mess.
I want love, I want enlightenment, I want freedom from suffering, I want unconditional joyous rapturous love to spread to others..... but I don't want any dogma........ Christ without the "Devil"
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Om bhur bhuvaha swaha tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi, dhiyo yonah prachodyat.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: leery11]
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why is this divisive dogma here? If God is real then he should have providence enough to make sure that every human is saved, that no one has any power that is even close to as powerful as his... it just weaves this story that sucks honestly.
He did save every human by Jesus' Death & resurrection, we need to have faith that Jesus is the Son of God & he really did die for our sins & that God really does love us that much. First we need faith, then faith leads to hope, with hope you are tested through tribulations which leads to endurance of faith which leads to even more hope. This process (relationship with God) helps us grow deeper in our love for God. Romans 5:1-5 talks about this
I hate it honestly. Why is the message of Jesus confounded by all of this? Why is my evidence different than yours?
From what God reveals to me, I can easily see where the confusion is coming from, we CAN'T understand it all, we can only TRUST what God is saying to us through Jesus is correct.
What if the Devil is the Christian GOd, i.e., the Illuminati, i.e. people on power trips writing a book that will ensure that its readers inherit a martyr complex?
The devil is NOT the Christian God that is a lie originated from the devil.
It seems like as long as you believe in Satan, hell, the devil, you can never know for sure if you are saved, or just being deceived by spiritual powers given to you by the devil rather than God...... know what I mean?
The more I got to know God the more I RECOGNIZED him. Check out Jeremiah 1:5 God KNEW us before we were born. Its not so much getting to know him as it is REMEMBERING that he is OUR father. Just read the gospels, Jesus gives us a pretty good picture of what God is like. Look for those things and you will be looking for God.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Remember the Holy Spirit is at work here, helps keep the peace.
I am sort of a Holy Spirit kinda guy, aren't I? 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I even can look into the void and can recognise g*d there...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Diploid]
#6708912 - 03/25/07 07:36 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting to find out if God is really male. I'm just curious what God would do with a dick. Does he have to pee a few times a day?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Diploid]
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where do you think rain comes from?
lightning is just god bowling a strike as well.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SneezingPenis]
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God is so big I can't describe even what I do know about him, and I know there is so much more. I do know one thing. He created me for the sole purpose of telling the world we in the LAST Days. He has given many memories, of before my birth & early childhood. From my point of view its ridiculous the way people deny this. There is proof everywhere if you look, know what to look for. I don't know everything but I do know God lead me to Christ Jesus. I speak with him. This is hard to descrive but, I reconize him as family. I know from personal EXPERIENCE Christ Jesus is real, God is real, and that these are the Last days. That is my only purpose. LISTEN!!!!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6711296 - 03/25/07 09:16 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you even read your own posts?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6711307 - 03/25/07 09:18 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, a command to listen, provocative.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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Yes I do read my own posts. For some reason, God chose me to speak this message to everyone around me when the time comes. He's said it is the only thing he asks of me, although I do have a desire to do more, and get impatient sometimes waiting for him to send me out.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6711429 - 03/25/07 09:50 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Demotriton
How can you be so sure everything you've said to us is the truth? I understand having an experience where God seems to be giving you some sort of important message must be very powerful! But did you ever consider that maybe your going through personal issues and maybe need some psychiatric help? I'm not trying to bash you here either, its a serious question. If I had the type of experiences you had a few years ago, I'd be worried I might be going out of my mind. 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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This is pretty interesting. What would you say to someone who ate mushrooms and found the Christ?? What then would you say if Jesus and mushrooms led one to what's called 'GOD'?? And finally how would you respond to someone that might tell you you could be in trouble?? See, you get so far along an inner path... Then it takes over. You remind me of me a year ago. Compile all the insights and let them inflate your ego. Just wait 'till it pops for good. BANG!! It took me a good six weeks to pull out of a completely psychotic episode. Not saying that you are headed for destruction, unless you want it, just concerned that you could be headed backwards into a trap. Careful.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Hahzist]
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Demotriton, I'm not sure if as to whether you're kidding with us or you're enduring through a psychotic episode. And I mean the latter with the utmost seriousness. I'm not making a personal attack against you.
If you are in a psychosis, it will be almost impossible for you to have insight into your behavior. Right now it may be difficult for you to consider the possibility of you not being a messenger of "God," but hopefully time will tell. It is very likely that you are the victim of some extreme delusions. Take Backfromthedead's advice: be careful.
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One more thought... This is super frustrating. I don't think its any new concept that certain plants can supply experiences of religious magnitude. You know the Native Americans have been using peyote for a while now. GOT MANNA?? Now you might have a certain set of beliefs about GOD and what he wants for humanity... But so does everybody else!! The idea is to point to the path so that others can find GOD. Notice how nobody ever reveals this little secret. In your original post you said that you ate mushrooms and heard GOD. Why not just tell people that GOD exists, and if you want to listen eat mushrooms and shut up. You know, as soon as people realize that there is a reliable way to gain access they still have to make the decision. Eat my flesh and drink my blood. Only then will the end come. No offense but you're not the only ONE. Go to a psych ward sometime and count how many people think they talk to GOD or are Christ himself.
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I shouldn't of mentioned the mushrooms, since it is confusing people. I talked to God before I was born, in early childhood. At very stages of my life BEFORE I ever touched drugs. I can't possibly explain what is going on. I do not know what level of awareness people here are at. I can't describe what I know, but I will say one thing that if you THINK everyone that talks to God is crazy, in a way you are help denying the existence of God.
Denying God's existence IS crazy.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6712008 - 03/26/07 02:30 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Denying God's existence IS crazy."
No, it is simply a choice.
(supported by the universe, too  )
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Denying God's existence IS crazy.
Nei, it is perfectly reasonable. Human beings directly perceive reality and base their interpretations upon that. Now, some human beings are the type that seek to be more aware of their direct perceptions, and to form their interpretations on those direct perceptions in a manner that does not obscure the nature of that which has been directly perceived, and so that the interpretation is based upon more observations. Some people do not leap to wild conclusions and seek to reinforce them, instead of carefully proposing an interpretation for the nature of reality and observing if it is substantiated by the information we obtain from reality.
Once again, g*d simply isn't part of the equation. If you wish to incorporate g*d in your abstract, conceptual processes then feel free. G*d is not evident in reality and reasonable individuals will not assume that g*d is until g*d is directly perceived and observed.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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One question how many here are baptized in the holy spirit? I have been around, and know many people baptized in the spirit and I sense it NO ONE here. That is why I am trying to speak the truth to you. God sent me here because there is confusion. There are people here that THINK they are saved and are not.????
Well I am.... Your on a power trip... Its people who say this kinda crap that will have alot of lost souls to be accounted for...
This false message is one of 100 that turn people away from God everyday..
You use the word of God to try and bend to your will.
If this is truth then everything I say must be truth?? that about right?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: zero.kewl]
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Well I am.... Your on a power trip... Its people who say this kinda crap that will have alot of lost souls to be accounted for...
I would advise you to please review the forum rules to build an understanding of why these type of statements are not permitted in this forum. The purpose and intention of this forum is discussion of philosophical and spiritual ideas.
Speculation as to one's "trip" and being accountable for "lost souls" can be kept to private messages.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I shouldn't of mentioned the mushrooms, since it is confusing people. I talked to God before I was born, in early childhood. At very stages of my life BEFORE I ever touched drugs. I can't possibly explain what is going on. I do not know what level of awareness people here are at. I can't describe what I know, but I will say one thing that if you THINK everyone that talks to God is crazy, in a way you are help denying the existence of God.
Denying God's existence IS crazy.
Ever heard of delusions of grandeur? Delusions of reference? Visit a psych ward and you'll know what I'm talking about.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: zero.kewl]
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One question how many here are baptized in the holy spirit? I have been around, and know many people baptized in the spirit and I sense it NO ONE here. That is why I am trying to speak the truth to you. God sent me here because there is confusion. There are people here that THINK they are saved and are not.????
Well I am.... Your on a power trip... Its people who say this kinda crap that will have alot of lost souls to be accounted for...
You are... saved... of what???
You know, you blame Demotriton for getting error into people's minds but you're even worse.
Because of people like you who tell that our savior is coming, other people are standing on their asses thinking they have no power to overcome the shit in their life, they need a "hero" for that.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6714690 - 03/26/07 09:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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The spirit gave me another revelation. Apparently there are a lot of people with what I call the Holy spirit although some may call this phenomenon something different. If it only was possible for us to UNIFY what we have been revealed by the spirit. Forget about what religion we are, or how God communicates to each of us & look for the common good of everyone instead of saying who's right or who's wrong. None of us knows everything but we all do know something. I know I have my flaws so does everyone here. I am sorry if I've misled anyone. It's just very hard to describe some of the revelations the spirit has given me. Guess some things are best kept to ourselves.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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The spirit gave me another revelation. Apparently there are a lot of people with what I call the Holy spirit although some may call this phenomenon something different. If it only was possible for us to UNIFY what we have been revealed by the spirit. Forget about what religion we are, or how God communicates to each of us & look for the common good of everyone instead of saying who's right or who's wrong. None of us knows everything but we all do know something. I know I have my flaws so does everyone here. I am sorry if I've misled anyone. It's just very hard to describe some of the revelations the spirit has given me. Guess some things are best kept to ourselves.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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The spirit gave me another revelation. Apparently there are a lot of people with what I call the Holy spirit although some may call this phenomenon something different. If it only was possible for us to UNIFY what we have been revealed by the spirit. Forget about what religion we are, or how God communicates to each of us & look for the common good of everyone instead of saying who's right or who's wrong. None of us knows everything but we all do know something. I know I have my flaws so does everyone here. I am sorry if I've misled anyone. It's just very hard to describe some of the revelations the spirit has given me. Guess some things are best kept to ourselves.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Ahh... The phenomena. You nailed it my friend. If you remove the religious overtones, you seem to realize that there is this place... Inside. Call it heaven. Call it the subconsious. The spirit world. Dreamtime. You know in reality it is only the beliefs that you hold dear that does the dividing. When you say Holy Spirit, the term to you describes the phenomena. Some might experience the exact thing you do and feel that it is alien communication from Nibiru. In any case... There exists a force, an intelligence, an intuition. Some might feel that this is simply a developing faculty of the human brain. Some might say that the mind is two-fold. Communication between the halfs could to some be what you call 'revelations from GOD'. My only concern is that when you decide what you believe in, it sidelines all the other possible explanations for the same phenomena. When you start living in your inner world and don't take account for Infinity you back yourself into a corner. No need to keep things to yourself. Share the WORD. Just be aware enough to understand that to others you might appear to be staring into a mirror located in some, well... Corner. You should take into account that you might just be projecting your own inner reality onto the outer. Notice then if you redirect your attention, that it might not be the end of days for the planet, but just for your ego as awareness and intelligence unfold on the inside.
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Keep in mind this is more than the spiritual realm, events "out of my control" happening around me in the physical world has been tying into this, my entire life experience is built around this, its very big and very hard to describe. I do respect the possibilities you've stated, I am just trying to find the best way to share this to where it actually makes some sense.
Oh yeah, one of those "out of my control events" were that over a year ago, and a year before that there was some guys posting on here, who, from what they typed had the exact experience I had, some events they typed didn't happen for me, but did the past year, so what had happened to them then, happened to me in the last year after I read their posts.
Also lets not forget that this phenomenon is world wide. What about the 10 secrets revealed to 6 visionaries in Medjugorje, & apparitions of the virgin Mary & sometimes Jesus appearing all over the world predicting the same things I have been revealed.
Plus many more, don't want to list, these things were revealed to me by the spirit.
This thing is REALLY big, much bigger than me. I am just a small part of it.
Also I think thats one of the reason's for Jesus' coming, so we don't get lost in the spirit realm, know how to find God in it.
Wow! another revelation, apparently the confusion I had, and have seen on here about religion & the spiritual realm is a preview of what the Entire World's confusion on religion will be like during the time of the Anti Christ. Weird how God works.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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It's just very hard to describe some of the revelations the spirit has given me. Guess some things are best kept to ourselves.
Not at all. Through open discussion with others around here, you find that you will become more accomplished at conveying your thoughts on the matter as you explore them for yourself. You have every right to post your perspectives in this forum. This is a forum for the discussion of ideas, not individuals, so feel comfortable to participate.
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Just got another revelation. It appears that Nostradamus had something like this gift that enabled him to see the future. I don't think he was able to see the FINAL outcome, rather he saw future possibilities. I have some many questions, and so much I want to share with anyone who knows what I am talking about when I say access to the spiritual realm.
In my early childhood, I believe that God downloaded memories, or rather revealed this memories within me, whatever you call it, but he made parts of my existence before I was born known in this life.
I was on a spiritual level just below heaven, I remembering thinking it was heaven when I first got there but was told, by what I now believe was an angel sent by God from heaven, that this was not heaven. At first I didn't believe him, but over time I began to believe him more as the longer I was there the more boring it got, I was running out of ideas, things to do, etc. I don't know for sure how long I was there for but 2 million years keeps popping up into my head. The angel was with me quite often in this place saying I needed to be "born again" in order to get into heaven. Once I considered this possibility he showed me some lives I could choose to live, I remember being really unconformable with forgetting who I was, he said he would remind me in my early childhood, but I would forget and then he would remind me again at the end of my time of earth. I had trouble trusting him that he would do this so he said he would give me signs, that would wake me up and I would remember who I was and what I was to do. He showed me my entire life, start to finish, every event that would happen, he even let me make some changes to it, & we finally came to agreement on a life. I should point out that on this level of existence other beings acted as if this angel was God, he was a representative of God and was treated as such, it was weird, you just "knew" he was from God. The angel was still joined to God and was on this level of existence in a way a stalactite descends from the ceiling downward, he still had access to heaven, but was on my level of existence. I wanted to go with him to heaven right there, but he said I was still "attached" below, like a stalagmite to the floor, things were holding me back, & I needed to be reborn before I could ascend. I can see why people believe in reincarnation with memories like this, but thing is I only was allowed to remember only brief moments of my previous life on earth, from my point of view this its the only life I've lived other than certain parts I have been shown.
I didn't make it to heaven last time was because I didn't choose it, I didn't choose it because it didn't look like heaven to me, my last life damaged me bad, I was terrified of another incarnation. My last life ended real bad, I was afraid of intimacy, had lost my trust in everything but myself. The angel said, I didn't make it to heaven because although I believed in God I wasn't sure who God was, he said had I believed in Jesus I would of made it easy since he was God's plan for salvation. All I remember from my last life is something like getting my heart totally broken by a girl, and going on a backpacking trip in the mountains, be kidnapped in the middle of the night and dragged of to this "secret" underground tunnel system. Was stripped naked, and basically butchered alive, somehow, with technology they kept me conscious the whole time. They put my brain eyeballs, nervous system into a robot body. I know it hurt really bad, don't know if it is possible to experience pain worse than that. It was then I heard what I believe was God's voice and said he could take me away from the pain, but I would have to die, all I remember saying was help me, help me, over & over. I died and ended up in the place I thought was heaven. I sometimes have flashbacks of that life and the one in the spiritual realm. I sometimes twitch with flashbacks of having my nerves pulled out. I still have some effects from that life carried over into this one, but thank the Lord Jesus that he is healing me in this life to allow me to accept intimacy once again so I can choose heaven, it will be easy this time, as he said it would. He said he needed me here to help warn people of the coming apocalypse since people wouldn't know it was coming.
I believe the spiritual realm I was in that wasn't heaven was the highest level of what the catholic Church calls purgatory & what new age would call the 9th overtone of the 4th dimension. I believe there are 3 levels to hell & 3 levels to heaven with 6 levels in between. If I remember right you are only given 3 levels to choose from at the end of your time here on earth, the 3 choices are based on how you lived your life here, by believing in Jesus and the Gospels, and accepting Christ as your savior, he makes the choice for you. I believe from my personal experience that there is no way you could ever want to choose heaven without accepting Jesus, since there is no way to know what heaven is without believing in Jesus. How can we choose what we don't know? I know I was surprised at what righteousness really was when Jesus showed it to me. I remember being "told" what heaven was like in this life by the angels before being baptized in the spirit and not wanting it because it meant I would have to "change" I didn't want to change, that was until I found Jesus, he showed me the way.
Anyways that is part of my life experience, anyone have anything similar happen to them?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Similarities here (read my journal if you are interested. I have to update it sometime).
Except my (seemingly) experienced focus shown was not on Jesus, but on every 'good' guy and gurl, who brings spirituality in the form of 'betterment', health, joy, peace, understanding into this materialistic dominated place (that what tends minds to attract all the negative experience we suffer from). The focus was (and is) on the 'principle' !
I think, I couldn't believe, as I was in the spiritual realm (before birth/death), that that realm was so 'unbelievable' to the material born entities, and that they choose to reject its real benefits, instead 'understanding'.
So, we are on the same page, but I see many many good teachers, prophets, avatars, whatever and they are heading the same goal on similar paths.
And I see some critical stuff about Jesus, too. Not that I don't believe that he is in some higher 'degree' of all of them, but been blinded by him to not see the other ones, surely wouldn't lie in his intention, imho.
To bring these personal realisations into a practicable and reasonable understanding reality, by combining these multiple aspects of existence from logos and back into logos, is what I see as a great challenge here
...why the heck am I writing this here ? That's personal stuff, ok I yet won't delete it.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Can you explain what Jesus told you?? I want to know what he said about the 'way'. What is the way?? Do you really believe in heaven and hell as physical places?? I'm having trouble with the idea since my heaven is here. Now. Hell is where I was. But it is the same place. What changed?? Again where is the path, who do you follow, what is the 'way', and how do you find heaven?? A simple answer would be preferred derived from your experience as a human being. No crap. Just give me the goods. Solve the puzzle, finish the problem, put the key to the lock, and put an end to the mystery. Please!! Since you claim to know what the plan is for salvation. Won't you kindly let us all know. For the sake of humanity??
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I now know part of the reason that God gave me these memories for this life was to help clear up the confusion I see on here, by using my life as an example. Let me elaborate more on what happened after I died in my last life. I remember seeing what I now know was the choice for heaven, as being a "new choice" one I had no memories of seeing before, I remember seeing Jesus although at the time I had trouble recognizing him, it was like I knew him from somewhere but couldn't come up with a name. The choice for heaven looked crazy, I wasn't sure if I would exist if I went there. I asked him about the "new choice" I had been given. He kind of gave me a strong urge to choose it in which I will describe as a emotional nudge. I felt I should choose the "new" choice but TO ME the middle choice looked the best. Jesus didn't say the "new" choice was heaven but did say it would be wonderful once I choose it. I remember taking some time to choose before I finally decided on the middle one since it appeared to be the best one. I NOW have a sense that with Jesus there is no choice at all, he just takes you there. I remember the reason why I didn't choose heaven at the time, I was an emotional wreck coming off my last life and was afraid of intimacy and didn't trust anyone, Heaven appeared, for lack of a better term "gay" to me. Comparable, for lack of a better comparison, a bunch of care bears sharing everything, hugging and loving each other. At the time I wanted isolation, my own private universe that was all mine. Heaven doesn't look that way at all to me now. Now heaven looks like the best choice.
Lately I have been getting a sense that JESUS is the key. Jesus is God's plan for salvation and he left us only 1 means of getting into heaven as not to confuse us, because there is only 1 God. Crazy thing is the plan is ridiculously simple, a lay person has a much better chance of finding heaven than the most spiritually advanced person. He wants us to come to him. He wants to help us, not us help ourselves. He has told me the reason he created us this way is because it creates a tremendous amount of love which is his reason for creating us in the first place.
He purposely made us so it is impossible for us to make it to heaven on our own. We HAVE to admit to ourselves and to God that we come up vastly short of what is expected of us (repentance) and then throw ourselves into the arms of Jesus and beg for forgiveness. It is important we come to JESUS as HE is the creator of our universe. Jesus' teachings on earth (the gospel) is a marker on where to find God. By understanding the Gospel, we understand God. There is only ONE way as there is only ONE God. This testimony is one of the reasons I am here.
Jesus has also told me I am a marker for the coming of the great tribulation as described in the bible, as he was a marker for where to find God. Jesus testified of God the father just as I testify of the tribulation. Jesus showed me the tribulation in the spirit realm before I was born, and gave me a dream of the end of my time here leading up to the tribulation. God has made the world around me a sign of this, it is so deeply embedded into my being.
If you want heaven, come to Jesus. It is the ONLY way. That is also deeply embedded into my being as Jesus said people would be confused about that too.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I am curious about something.. do you believe it is impossible to find Jesus without the gospel? What do you say to me if I tell you that many people have found Jesus without understanding the gospel? Are you telling me that those experiences are invalid, even if they felt the true light and love of Jesus?
I have never even read the bible and I have been in the arms of Jesus.
Maybe you are saying that a dedication to the gospel and constant surrender to God is the way to salvation?
I'm trying to understand the best way to go about saving myself according to what you say
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I am curious about something.. do you believe it is impossible to find Jesus without the gospel? What do you say to me if I tell you that many people have found Jesus without understanding the gospel? Are you telling me that those experiences are invalid, even if they felt the true light and love of Jesus?
I have never even read the bible and I have been in the arms of Jesus.
Maybe you are saying that a dedication to the gospel and constant surrender to God is the way to salvation?
I'm trying to understand the best way to go about saving myself according to what you say
Because of the times we are in Jesus is making an extra effort to bring home his chosen ones. So I am not surprised that he is appearing to those that don't understand. You must however follow his lead, if he is calling you, you should repent, accept him as your savior if you haven't already. Read the Gospels if you haven't already, ask Jesus for him to give you understanding if you don't understand. You should be seeking Jesus, and asking him these questions, I can only show you where to go, Jesus will tell you what you need to do to be saved. KEEP seeking him don't stop.
I didn't fully understand the Gospels either when I found Jesus. Later he told me it was the prayers of others that made it possible.
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Ahh... The phenomena. You nailed it my friend. If you remove the religious overtones, you seem to realize that there is this place... Inside. Call it heaven. Call it the subconsious. The spirit world. Dreamtime. You know in reality it is only the beliefs that you hold dear that does the dividing. When you say Holy Spirit, the term to you describes the phenomena. Some might experience the exact thing you do and feel that it is alien communication from Nibiru. In any case... There exists a force, an intelligence, an intuition. Some might feel that this is simply a developing faculty of the human brain. Some might say that the mind is two-fold. Communication between the halfs could to some be what you call 'revelations from GOD'. My only concern is that when you decide what you believe in, it sidelines all the other possible explanations for the same phenomena. When you start living in your inner world and don't take account for Infinity you back yourself into a corner. No need to keep things to yourself. Share the WORD. Just be aware enough to understand that to others you might appear to be staring into a mirror located in some, well... Corner. You should take into account that you might just be projecting your own inner reality onto the outer. Notice then if you redirect your attention, that it might not be the end of days for the planet, but just for your ego as awareness and intelligence unfold on the inside.
I should of waited longer before posting. God revealed more of my memories from my last life. In a time of my life of a broken heart & desperation I seeked Jesus and was baptized in the holy spirit. Later, some people I knew said something to me like the quote above. I being a complete fool, believed him and started to think that what was the spirit of God was something else. This took me away from Jesus. I remember the spiritual experiences being much more profound, and gaining much more knowledge and insight than I had with the holy spirit. At the end of my life however, I discovered it was UNABLE to choose heaven, the idea of heaven looked crazy to me, I wondered if I would still exist, its hard to describe, I remember Jesus saying once your in it, you'll see it will be alright. My trust in Jesus wasn't strong enough and I choose a different path that was cool at first but lead to everlasting boredom. I still hear the ringing of I told you so, coming from Jesus. I feel like such a fool to deny myself salvation by thinking I knew better than God.
Putting your trust in ANYTHING other than Jesus is denying yourself salvation. TRUST Jesus and you will LIVE. Everything else leads to the illusion of existence.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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A) I can't believe this thread is still pumping
B) omg wtf
C) Past lives now? Com'n, please describe the doctrine which allows you more than one passing. From dust to dust, brother. If your gonna preach da Word, get your shit straight.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: AroundtheSon]
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Demotriton claims visions from God. But can God give visions that are opposed to His Word? No. Are the visions described consistent with scripture?
Demotriton:
"I talked to God before I was born"
"I was terrified of another incarnation. My last life ended real bad,"
The scripture does not teach reincarnation, or existing prior to birth.
Demotriton:
"It appears that Nostradamus had something like this gift that enabled him to see the future."
Using divination is an abomination, not a gift.
Deut 18
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Acts 16:16-18
And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
Demotriton:
"I believe there are 3 levels to hell & 3 levels to heaven with 6 levels in between. "
"If I remember right you are only given 3 levels to choose from at the end of your time here on earth, the 3 choices are based on how you lived your life here, by believing in Jesus and the Gospels, and accepting Christ as your savior, he makes the choice for you."
Only two places exist, heaven and hell. Another false doctrine exposed. Go back to Rome.
Demotriton:
"What about the 10 secrets revealed to 6 visionaries in Medjugorje?"
False visions given to people in a false church. Satan can give "experiences", but they are never in accord with God's Word.
The doctrines from these "visions" can not be from God, since God does not contradict His Word.
Your doctrine is heterodox and you are spreading a false gospel.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Go easy on me fivepointer I'm still learning how to tell this best. I know reincarnation is an illusion but I am trying to RELATE to those that do believe as to lead them to the truth that Jesus is God & that they need to believe in him. Would Satan lead people to the only means of salvation?
1 John 2:22
who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist the one that denies the father & the son.
How could I be a false prophet if I confess that Jesus is God's way of revealing himself to us for who he truly is and that we can ONLY be saved by him. I understand why you are confused.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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sweet! Fundy Battles!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I think reading some alan watts could really help demotriton.
Unfortunately, fundamentalists are normally close minded and only read the bible.
Here demotriton: http://deoxy.org/w_nature.htm
Read this and you will know 100X more truth than you do know.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hot48yearolds]
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I just think its sad.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Go easy on me fivepointer I'm still learning how to tell this best. I know reincarnation is an illusion but I am trying to RELATE to those that do believe as to lead them to the truth that Jesus is God & that they need to believe in him. Would Satan lead people to the only means of salvation?
1 John 2:22
who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist the one that denies the father & the son.
How could I be a false prophet if I confess that Jesus is God's way of revealing himself to us for who he truly is and that we can ONLY be saved by him. I understand why you are confused.
John is refuting the specific heresy of Gnosticism in 1 John. Satan always leads people to a false jesus. The greatest work of Satan is the creation of systems of false doctrine. The fact that you can not discern this shows what spirit is working in you.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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I know for a fact Jesus is the only means of salvation. God became man told us the good news, took the punishment for our sins, & redeemed us. The truth about him is That he is not a judgmental & condemning God, but a loving & forgiving one. We are incapable of getting anywhere close to the perfection that is needed for us to be reunited with God in heaven. We must believe in the true God, repent of our sins and acknowledge our imperfection to receive God's mercy.
Even with the holy spirit we are still far from perfection.
I try to speak the good news as best I can. All true Christians do. We all have our faults. None of us are perfect. If only we could work together for the common good. None of our ways of explaining things are exactly the same, as God works through our personalities. In my heart I try to spread the message as best I can.
May Christ Jesus bless everyone here & open our eyes to his knowledge of the truth.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I know for a fact Jesus is the only means of salvation
Oh boy, here we go again.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Spit out the seeds of the rotten apple and love! Love with all your might and all your being and all your soul. Then perhaps you will find yourself closer to God and Jesus than you have ever been. May you find peace brothers 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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I don't really claim one or the other. I was kind of sold on the whole ONE thing from the get go. +/-, 1/0, off/on... Why not embody both potencies and not get pushed around by these crazy elephants. I would rather flip it and bounce it back to my liking as opposed to someone else's.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
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You're adressing demotriton, right ?
Funny. I was. I like to put his posts into my quantum blender and later see if I can distill any spirits. Not a drop. Dude is like a battery powered flashlight in a black hole. Yikes.
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Don't wait for the permanent sign. A permanent sign will appear in Medjugorje which will lead to many conversions, but you will only have a very short time to convert. It's better that you seek Jesus and repent now while there is time.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Perhaps because he is coming within you.
Outside of context, this sounds funny.
Bahahaha bumped that one back up in this bia
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
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What a mess this all is. Even the two fundamentalists, who both believe salvation comes out of the same book try to discredit each other.
If this results from 'finding the truth inside that book' then I am closed to believe that this book, what perhaps in some times contained some good truth, was tainted so much by evil humans and their interpretation, that one is supposed to go to war and kill each other after reading it.
I tend to think that none of the both have understood that what lies behind the words of that book, else they would have reason behind their words. That is not the case.
Poor thread.
A shame for all christians, imho.
Deeds tell more than words. And words of separation cause evil deeds.
Yes, I see that I separate me with this, therefor I stop now.
I wish both of you good luck with your faith and wish you won't set it on wrong premises and will recognise when you do so, before spouting out that you are telling the word of G*D or have found the 'right' gospel.
Bravo
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Moral rules & regulations are not meant to control. We choose to follow God's laws so as to become more like him. This pleases him. From what I am finding out from personal experience, live is much better following God's laws than our own. God does not wish to force these morals on anyone, he wants us to choose them. By choosing to live according to how God wants us to live (morals & regulations) we choose God. It is impossible for man to follow them completely which is why he sent his son Jesus. After Jesus was glorified (died and rose from the dead & accented into heaven) he sent us his holy spirit. It is through the holy spirit it becomes possible for man to be saved. The holy spirit helps us grow in holiness, this is a process that takes time and effort, but it would be impossible without God's help.
Soooo... you are saying that only after Jesus sent us his holy spirit humans were able to be saved. And what about everyone who lived before the J-man walked?
IMHO you glorify the wrong things in life. Maybe you are g*d, and maybe you do know the truth. But the truth for you may be different than the truth for me. And if g*d lives in us all, then what I believe is my truth says something completely different from yours. Your g*d or whatever higher thing in you has revealed similar things to me except you speak of truth in such a damning fashion. You cannot force people into your beliefs. Speak them, give your love, if it is unaccepted then pursue the love without the speech. g*d has no need for words, texts are poo, memories of old are poo, you want your g*d then bring him to me now. I will be happy when everyone experiences a feeling of g*d or whatever you want to call it in their selves. I think Christianity has been perverted and the truths lay dormant under so much slander. I look to all religions for guidance as my path is a path that contains all so I can look to anything for understanding. You learn from evil else there would be no good. You are so stuck on Christianity, but you say you see how many of our beliefs are similar. There is far more in the world that you are shunning yourself from by being such a filter to that which is life - diversity within the ever present unseen equality.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Just got another revelation. It appears that Nostradamus had something like this gift that enabled him to see the future. I don't think he was able to see the FINAL outcome, rather he saw future possibilities. I have some many questions, and so much I want to share with anyone who knows what I am talking about when I say access to the spiritual realm.
In my early childhood, I believe that God downloaded memories, or rather revealed this memories within me, whatever you call it, but he made parts of my existence before I was born known in this life.
I was on a spiritual level just below heaven, I remembering thinking it was heaven when I first got there but was told, by what I now believe was an angel sent by God from heaven, that this was not heaven. At first I didn't believe him, but over time I began to believe him more as the longer I was there the more boring it got, I was running out of ideas, things to do, etc. I don't know for sure how long I was there for but 2 million years keeps popping up into my head. The angel was with me quite often in this place saying I needed to be "born again" in order to get into heaven. Once I considered this possibility he showed me some lives I could choose to live, I remember being really unconformable with forgetting who I was, he said he would remind me in my early childhood, but I would forget and then he would remind me again at the end of my time of earth. I had trouble trusting him that he would do this so he said he would give me signs, that would wake me up and I would remember who I was and what I was to do. He showed me my entire life, start to finish, every event that would happen, he even let me make some changes to it, & we finally came to agreement on a life. I should point out that on this level of existence other beings acted as if this angel was God, he was a representative of God and was treated as such, it was weird, you just "knew" he was from God. The angel was still joined to God and was on this level of existence in a way a stalactite descends from the ceiling downward, he still had access to heaven, but was on my level of existence. I wanted to go with him to heaven right there, but he said I was still "attached" below, like a stalagmite to the floor, things were holding me back, & I needed to be reborn before I could ascend. I can see why people believe in reincarnation with memories like this, but thing is I only was allowed to remember only brief moments of my previous life on earth, from my point of view this its the only life I've lived other than certain parts I have been shown.
I didn't make it to heaven last time was because I didn't choose it, I didn't choose it because it didn't look like heaven to me, my last life damaged me bad, I was terrified of another incarnation. My last life ended real bad, I was afraid of intimacy, had lost my trust in everything but myself. The angel said, I didn't make it to heaven because although I believed in God I wasn't sure who God was, he said had I believed in Jesus I would of made it easy since he was God's plan for salvation. All I remember from my last life is something like getting my heart totally broken by a girl, and going on a backpacking trip in the mountains, be kidnapped in the middle of the night and dragged of to this "secret" underground tunnel system. Was stripped naked, and basically butchered alive, somehow, with technology they kept me conscious the whole time. They put my brain eyeballs, nervous system into a robot body. I know it hurt really bad, don't know if it is possible to experience pain worse than that. It was then I heard what I believe was God's voice and said he could take me away from the pain, but I would have to die, all I remember saying was help me, help me, over & over. I died and ended up in the place I thought was heaven. I sometimes have flashbacks of that life and the one in the spiritual realm. I sometimes twitch with flashbacks of having my nerves pulled out. I still have some effects from that life carried over into this one, but thank the Lord Jesus that he is healing me in this life to allow me to accept intimacy once again so I can choose heaven, it will be easy this time, as he said it would. He said he needed me here to help warn people of the coming apocalypse since people wouldn't know it was coming.
I believe the spiritual realm I was in that wasn't heaven was the highest level of what the catholic Church calls purgatory & what new age would call the 9th overtone of the 4th dimension. I believe there are 3 levels to hell & 3 levels to heaven with 6 levels in between. If I remember right you are only given 3 levels to choose from at the end of your time here on earth, the 3 choices are based on how you lived your life here, by believing in Jesus and the Gospels, and accepting Christ as your savior, he makes the choice for you. I believe from my personal experience that there is no way you could ever want to choose heaven without accepting Jesus, since there is no way to know what heaven is without believing in Jesus. How can we choose what we don't know? I know I was surprised at what righteousness really was when Jesus showed it to me. I remember being "told" what heaven was like in this life by the angels before being baptized in the spirit and not wanting it because it meant I would have to "change" I didn't want to change, that was until I found Jesus, he showed me the way.
Anyways that is part of my life experience, anyone have anything similar happen to them?
Hrmm I have had the experience where I feel near g*d or whatever you want to call it when I came to the realization that there were fractals in life of the perceptions of what was going on. This could be similar to your stalagmite reference. I felt like I could ride up these fractals of consciousness into less specific and very broad things outside of my body - merging with light, becoming what was around me, realizing I was just material as all other things are. Or I could ride down on the fractals into my consciousness of what my perception of reality was - I am human, I know this subject in school, I know this about this subject, I know this subject relates to this because of this and this and this etc. And I saw that the further out I went upwards into vague voidness the more I knew g*d or whatever was out there. I get to this threshold state where I do not know whether to let myself go or not. I am on the brink of something and it is just utterly terrifying to proceed. I've been at the brink many times, and only once fell off into it - that's my siggy post. Anyways, I felt a slight tingle of truth to your post.
Although, I have never had any past memories as I try not to even remember my own. Nor have I ever experienced a Sci-Fi memory of getting abducted and chopped up into pieces only to be kept alive in a robot's shell of a body. Maybe you are having a past memory from a different universe, but if you were dead for 2 million years humans didn't even exist then so says your bible. But I call those my delusions during my spiritual visions. Those are just interuptions my mind throws at me of things I have seen in this sensory deluged society we live in - things similar to dreaming.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: ck10n3]
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Dear Jesus,
It's been a while since we talked, but if your real, please put an end to this mess of a thread and give this gentlemen some insight into your deep parables - perhaps then, your people will know truth.
Just a thought, it's your show.
Love,
Your buddy AroundtheSon
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: AroundtheSon]
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but if you were dead for 2 million years humans didn't even exist then so says your bible
There is no time in the spiritual realm. That is why the bible says things like for time indefinate or forever & ever. You could leave this world and spend 2 million years in the spiritual realm, come back here and it would be like you never left.
What kind of God are people worshiping on here?
One that saves by Grace?
One that infinitely loves each individual with a personal love?
One that desires to save all people?
One that wants us in heaven with him more than we ever could?
One that would give us what is better than we could ask for?
One that doesn't think of himself as God even though he is?
One that serves us?
One who condemns no one?
One who Judges no one?
A God that respects freedom of choice and forces his will on no one?
Does this sound like your God?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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There is no time in the spiritual realm.
Then Jesus' death on the cross could not have brought about salvation, as his crucifixion was a historical event, happen at a certain point in time.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
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There is time here on earth. I said there was no time in the spiritual realm. At a certain point of time on earth.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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He is pointing out that if there is no time in the spiritual realm, then everything that can or will be already is. The actual event of Christ's sacrifice has no consequences for there can be no cause-effect relationships. Cause and effect exist simultaneously forever.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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ALL things are possible with God. Trying to understand his mind completely is foolishness. I do trust him though. He did create all that exists so I am confident he knows what he is doing.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Wait, why's God a "He" and not a "She" Can god be both?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
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Yes, I just type He for easy reference & to apply personhood to God.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Trying to understand his mind completely is foolishness
Precisely. Now  giving an inordinate amount of credibility to a book and start observing reality as it is. Pool your mystical experiences and reflect on them, but do not assign them to a mythical deity.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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Just because we cannot understand him completly doesn't mean we can't understand what he wants us to understand.
God is not a myth.
He wants so much for us to love him, its just that many of us don't know how.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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God is not a myth.
From my perspective, it is simply a mental construct that proposes theories of the nature of reality without any direct observation of that nature.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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From my perspective, it is simply a mental construct that proposes theories of the nature of reality without any direct observation of that nature.
Bingo! Also there isn't any evidence (real evidence that is) or even logic for that matter!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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The only "evidence" I can conjure that supports "God's" existence would be either ontological or experiential, which, of course, are both completely subjective and thereby difficult to validate. One may intuitively assume there is a "God," yet one can conversely intuit that there isn't a "God." And as far as most "Divine" experiences go, modern science can demonstrate that these experiences (some; and assuming that these experiences could be observed in a laboratory setting) are nothing more than chemical reactions occurring within the confines of your skull; it is nothing paranormal or supernatural.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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I'm not saying that there is no evidence of a god, but rather there is no proof validating the Christian dogma, or the Islamic dogma, or the Scientologist dogma, etc.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Just because we cannot understand him completly doesn't mean we can't understand what he wants us to understand.
God is not a myth.
He wants so much for us to love him, its just that many of us don't know how.
I think people will all too often look for "something" whereas what they've really been looking for is, well, themselves.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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There is time here on earth. I said there was no time in the spiritual realm. At a certain point of time on earth.
But salvation is spiritual, is it not?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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There is no time in the spiritual realm. That is why the bible says things like for time indefinate or forever & ever. You could leave this world and spend 2 million years in the spiritual realm, come back here and it would be like you never left.
If there was no time I am just confused why you are saying 2 million years. There are no years...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: ck10n3]
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I said 2 million years just to give you an idea how long it seems to be there based on how long time is here.
There are some things that only the Holy Spirit(God) can reveal to you. There are not words to describe some of the things God has shown me. I try to keep things simple. My advice. Pray to Jesus with a contrite heart everyday until you find him, and then put ALL your trust in him, and he will tell you all the things I am trying to tell you. I GUARANTEE Jesus is the way, if only you would stop criticizing & listen. God loves us, it is US that separate ourselves from him, its like he doesn't exist to those who don't believe, and he does exist to those who believe.
You will find him if you believe. If you can't believe, ask him for the grace to believe. Ask everyday until you do. Your souls are far to precious to him for him to abandon you in this time of distress. He will save you if only you make a consistent effort to find him. Read the bible, get to know him. I am as well as millions of Christians around the world can testify the Jesus Christ IS REAL and is here to save us before its to late. He has already given you a great grace by letting you know further in advance about his coming.
THIS WILL HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT. The wise that don't believe will be made fools. The weak and the needy that believed will be exalted.
True many on here posses a lot of spiritual knowledge, but that is NOTHING at all to God's knowledge. With all the knowledge you have, I am most concerned with the KNOWLEDGE none of you possess. I KNOW you don't possess it because you wouldn't be replying to my posts the way you are.
Believe for the life of your soul or you WILL lose it. Don't wait for these things to happen & become one of the fools. Don't trust the world, SATAN has so much control over the world right now. His greatest deception is that he doesn't exist, or he doesn't have as much control over the world as he really does. Stop believing the lies and turn to Christ Jesus for the truth, as he IS THE TRUTH, as I found out.
God love you. You have been warned.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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I am as well as millions of Christians around the world can testify the Jesus Christ IS REAL and is here to save us before its to late.
The same people also testify that the Earth is 6,000 years old and that people and dinosaurs coexisted. Forgive me if I'm a little untrusting towards such people.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
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Not all Christians are identical in their beliefs. There are some that say they are Christians and are not. I only know what God has revealed to me. Don't think of the past, or the future, only think of now, all else is an illusion. NOW is the time to give yourself back to God. Trust Jesus.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Not all Christians are identical in their beliefs.
Indeed. Some of us have grown beyond the primitive literalism you've been advocating and come to a more sophisticated Christology.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
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Different rungs of the same ladder. Elevator??
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
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Not all Christians are identical in their beliefs.
Indeed. Some of us have grown beyond the primitive literalism you've been advocating and come to a more sophisticated Christology.
What good is sophisticated spiritual advancement if one looses his life because he lacks the one thing that gives him life. I am not saying its bad to have spiritual knowledge just make sure its knowledge that produces good things. You should have Christ as a foundation and build upon him, don't discard the foundation saying its elementary and move onto something else. I am not saying the things you know are false, its what you DON'T know that I am worried about. Yes God does speak to people even though they don't have great spiritual knowledge. He tells us only what we need to know. I try to follow God's lead, anything I do on my own leads to failure. When I first found Jesus one of the first things he did was straighten out all my knowledge and believes as to align to the truth. Some stuff I knew, was true, other stuff I knew, was misleading. True knowledge can be bad for you with separation from God as you can acquire it at a rate you are not ready, you might think you are ready but you are not. Then at the end of your time on earth you realize that your whole life was all for nothing all because you discarded the simple truth that would have given you life.
Whats so bad about Jesus, when all he wants to do is give you new life? What forces do you think are driving people away from their only source of life? Distracting us with unnecessary knowledge? and yet the whole time trying to convince us he doesn't exist? If you want the whole truth that really matters seek Christ Jesus.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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What good is sophisticated spiritual advancement if one looses his life because he lacks the one thing that gives him life
Can you rephrase that... I'm having some trouble focusing on what it means. And what in the world means sophisticated spiritual advancement?
It's not a car... it's spirituality...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Much more than you need to know about something to the point it blinds you to what is most important.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
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Demotriton said:
Not all Christians are identical in their beliefs.
Indeed. Some of us have grown beyond the primitive literalism you've been advocating and come to a more sophisticated Christology.
What good is sophisticated spiritual advancement if one looses his life because he lacks the one thing that gives him life. I am not saying its bad to have spiritual knowledge just make sure its knowledge that produces good things. You should have Christ as a foundation and build upon him, don't discard the foundation saying its elementary and move onto something else. I am not saying the things you know are false, its what you DON'T know that I am worried about. Yes God does speak to people even though they don't have great spiritual knowledge. He tells us only what we need to know. I try to follow God's lead, anything I do on my own leads to failure. When I first found Jesus one of the first things he did was straighten out all my knowledge and believes as to align to the truth. Some stuff I knew, was true, other stuff I knew, was misleading. True knowledge can be bad for you with separation from God as you can acquire it at a rate you are not ready, you might think you are ready but you are not. Then at the end of your time on earth you realize that your whole life was all for nothing all because you discarded the simple truth that would have given you life.
Whats so bad about Jesus, when all he wants to do is give you new life? What forces do you think are driving people away from their only source of life? Distracting us with unnecessary knowledge? and yet the whole time trying to convince us he doesn't exist? If you want
the whole truth that really matters seek Christ Jesus.
You act as if I reject Christ, when it is you who do so. You worship a Jewish carpenter(idolatry to the extreme), whereas I worship Christ.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
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God loves you very much Silversoul.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Does "God" love Satan?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Consider the fruits of what ends up happening once we believe God loves some & not others. If I were a child of the Devil & you were a child of God, you would have no reason to love me, but what if you made a mistake in thinking a child of God was a child of the devil? Would this justify your right to not love that person since in your mind God does not love them? This belief creates hatred toward one another. God never intended for us to hate one another but to love one another. We must LOVE our enemies just as God LOVES his enemies. So in answer to your question God loves all creation, including Satan, its just that Satan does not love God.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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Does God love Esau? How do you reconcile the many verses showing some are hated by God?
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Does God love Esau? How do you reconcile the many verses showing some are hated by God?
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Please, that isn't "g*d", its just some dude writing about people. Perhaps he was a tribal leader or a father. You're quoting it entirely out of context.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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God doesn't hate us personally, he dislikes the things we do. He wants to save us, but also for us to no longer desire to do the things he dislikes. I am trying to make a distinction between disliking the person and disliking their actions. Just because we don't like what someone is doing doesn't give us a right to hate them, but rather to love them anyways and try to help them whenever possible. God doesn't want an US vs. Them attitude, rather the reason why some parts of the bible says what it says is because WE are evil inclined. He speaks in the context of our thoughts in the language of our beliefs.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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If God loves me, why doesn't he want me to do things that make me happy and that are otherwise harmless?
That's like saying I love my daughter but hate it when she plays with dolls, and telling her so.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Diploid]
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If God loves me, why doesn't he want me to do things that make me happy and are otherwise harmless?
That's like saying I love my daughter but hate it when she plays with dolls, and telling her so.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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"He wants to save us"... BUT, you didn't do your part, right?
He saves whom He wants to save, it is not contingent on the sinner. Your "god" is frustrated by sinners and he fails most of the time.
For those loved, He also ordains the means by which that love may be known. In due time the gospel is heard and believed and the Spirit sent for each one who is loved by Him.
Christians are not told to hate anyone, God is the judge.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Is a Christian allowed to meditate?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Yes, God does lead me to grow in the way I pray & meditate on him and his works. A lot of it is hard to explain. I pray all the time for God to give me the grace to explain things better. I am learning all the time.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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He saves whom He wants to save, it is not contingent on the sinner. Your "god" is frustrated by sinners and he fails most of the time.
For those loved, He also ordains the means by which that love may be known. In due time the gospel is heard and believed and the Spirit sent for each one who is loved by Him.
If god saves who only who he wants, then Jesus was irrelevant and unnecessary. How do you reconcile that contradiction, fivepointer? Oh wait I know, by ignoring it. 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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I do not understand the point you are trying to make. Jesus atoned for His people, the atonement was absolutely required to satisfy justice. No atonement = no salvation.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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The reason why it was required that Christ be crucified evades me. If "God" is all powerful then why did He not just forgive mankind instantaneously? Why all the suffering and bloodshed? "God" could have simply said, "Ye are forgiven. Amen." After all, forgiveness is a state of mind, it is not tangible object.
And why must we have salvation? One would think that an omnipotent being could simply will humans into heaven. Why even put humans in a deprived position to begin with? For "God" to put His own creation into such a position seems anything but benevolent.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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It's all about the guilt trip
That's where it all comes down to
Repressed individual after repressed individual
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Too much of anything is no good.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Icelander]
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While I appreciate your faith, let me assure you that it is misguided. Jesus said "I am the way...". No where does the bible even remotely suggest that praying to Mary is an appropriate way to offer our prayers to God. It is through the Trinity; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit that we are enlightened. Mary is promoted by the Roman Catholic hierarchy as a spiritual icon, designed to appeal to the family and motherhood emotional baggage that most of us carry. Theologically there is no foundation to pray to Mary. Pray to God, in JESUS name, as he directed us to do.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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Or pray to Allah; or Krishna; or Zeus. Whoever will get you to heaven!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Or pray to Allah; or Krishna; or Zeus. Whoever will get you to heaven!
 Get me out of here... I wanna go to Heaven
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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You need to go way back in your reading and start at Genesis. Continue to the end of Romans. This will explain to you that sacrifice in the ancient world was the (God) ordered, and approved, method of atonement. People sacrificed the best of their flocks and produce to God to ask for his forgiveness. See where this is going? God got so tired of useless and meaning less sacrifices that He decided to teach people what a true sacrifice consisted of. He gave us his Son. His Son was without sin, the best of the flock, the finest crop. He caused His Son to be sacrificed, bloodshed and all.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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It sounds like a nice story and all, but I fail to see how it has any relevance to reality.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
#6759079 - 04/07/07 07:29 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's why Christianity promotes blind faith
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6759084 - 04/07/07 07:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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No, it promotes having faith and blindly attributing the mental effects of doing so with false conclusions and assumptions of the nature of reality. If they simply had faith then there would be no problem.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: vigilant_mind]
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Or pray to Allah; or Krishna; or Zeus. Whoever will get you to heaven!
If you worship the Norse gods, you can go to Valhalla for killing people.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Silversoul]
#6759247 - 04/07/07 08:19 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Or Allah.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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The reality is that either you believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ or you don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Whether you do or not should give you an in site into the reality of Faith. I am not really into some of the heated discourse some are engaging in in this forum, but, let me just say this. The road I am traveling on had 4 forks at one time. Each fork was represented by a "prophet". Buddha, Confucius, Mohamed, and Jesus Christ. Since Jesus was the only one capable of welcoming me in person, after rising from the grave, and none of the others were present, I chose Jesus.
Unfortunately, friend, the thing that makes this a tough choice is that Christianity is full of people with ego's. To be successful in this faith you can only go by the words of Christ, not man. This includes me.
I made a choice to follow Jesus. He said (paraphrased and simplistic) "tell everyone you meet". After someone has heard The Word, it is up to God, not to man, to stir your spirit into accepting his dominion. Too many arguments about what the bible says, hair splitting on certain singled out verses, and mis-placed understanding of what spiritual gifts are, (and how they are given, and used) has caused a great deal of mistrust in the world for centuries. This is not new or unique.
Let me just say that I have read all the comments here and it seems to that one roman catholic individual is quite messed up. I feel sorry for him, and it appears to me that someone else is having undue influence over his words and actions. And, I don't think that someone is anything but human.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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The reality is that either you believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ or you don't believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
What also comes into play is precisely what influences one's beliefs on the matter. Its a completely unsubstantiated claim - that some man died centuries ago and then rose from the dead. Baseless assumptions are not consistent with reality.
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Let me just say that I have read all the comments here and it seems to that one roman catholic individual is quite messed up. I feel sorry for him, and it appears to me that someone else is having undue influence over his words and actions. And, I don't think that someone is anything but human.
I realize that you are new here, so now is the perfect opportunity for you to read through our forum's rules. This statement does not belong in this thread.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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First, I did read the forum rules before posting anything. What I read was that personal attacks would not be tolerated. It would be a stretch to think that when I express compassion for the plight of of an individual, that this can be construed as an attack in a personal way. Having said that, I do apologize if that post offends you.
As far as the resurrection being a quote: "completely unsubstantiated claim"; this is also a grandiose stretch, in contradiction to the evidence of the hundreds of people present at the time. (read Acts)
It is very difficult to engage in a discussion about certain realities without first studying in detail the evidence. The evidence is well documented.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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In ancient times sacrifice is right ? Then god (in the name of Jebuz) decides they are wrong ? And then god scarifies him ?
That is nuts and doesn't let me understand the nonsense of 'gave his son for the sins'.
People continue to sin.
As far as I see, sacrifice is and was ever a cheap excuse for one's conscience, a psychological trick.
"Uh oh, I killed my neighbor. Let's sacrifice a lamb instead of serving his family." Very convenient. Or
"Let's sacrifice a lamb for a good harvest. Then if it's not good, we have someone to blame (god), and don't need to look for better methods of cultivation."
"Oh the humans have killed the messiah ? Oh, nevermind, it was god, who sacrificed his son, for our sins" ,"Ah great, now we can sin without getting to hell ?"
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
#6760095 - 04/08/07 02:25 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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A little bit of 2+2=4 can explain problems better than the various books surrounding the bible.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
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I understand your frustration in putting this together, Blue Coyote. You are not alone. I used to think and feel the same way.
One thing to contemplate: I am not really any better person as a believer than I was in my unbelief. I am still a sinner. I always will be a sinner. The idea that somehow Christians are more "perfect" than non - Christians is absurd. We were all born into the same imperfection. Some people live well and follow the doctrine of Christ without ever hearing about Him. Still a sinner. Some people are regarded as "holy" for living the same type of life but knowing Jesus.
The point is, we are not asked to be perfect here, perfection is attained in heaven. All we are asked to do is recognize that we are sinners, and that Christ is not. That He is the Son of God, and when we mess up, he has the ability to forgive. Personally, it has nothing to do with convenience of conscience. If I am remorseful about my actions, the same remorse of conscience applies to a believer as a non-believer. If I am inclined (through personality and social conditioning) to ignore the consequences of my actions, I can do that with or without Christ.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
#6760502 - 04/08/07 07:51 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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We are not sinners.
We are not either perfect or flawed.
We are human beings experiencing, living and learning.
As long as we keep that in mind and as long as we don't forget we're here to learn but also to enjoy life we shall be fine.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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First, I did read the forum rules before posting anything. What I read was that personal attacks would not be tolerated. It would be a stretch to think that when I express compassion for the plight of of an individual, that this can be construed as an attack in a personal way. Having said that, I do apologize if that post offends you.
You must have skipped over the part that states that this is a place for the open discussion of ideas, and not to discuss the posters presenting the ideas. The posters themselves are not the subject of the discussion. Please take a note of this and act accordingly in the future.
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As far as the resurrection being a quote: "completely unsubstantiated claim"; this is also a grandiose stretch, in contradiction to the evidence of the hundreds of people present at the time. (read Acts)
Testimonials are not evidence. Simple.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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Overthinking and overanalyzing seperate the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind. 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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Blind faith leads to harmful actions very quick.
"All we are asked to do is recognize that we are sinners, and that Christ is not."
No, we are asked to don't sin anymore.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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Tell that to the judges in the courts. I don't defend the legal system, but many thousands are incarcerated on the testimony of witnesses. Many millions are also free due to the testimony of the witnesses referred to in the prior posts.
fireworks_god, I stand admonished. My sincere apology to all for the comment involving the poster. This will not happen again, please forgive me.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
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If you know someone in the world today who is without sin, could you introduce me to them?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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We are not sinners.
We are not either perfect or flawed.
We are human beings experiencing, living and learning.
As long as we keep that in mind and as long as we don't forget we're here to learn but also to enjoy life we shall be fine.
The gospel has no value to those who have not been convicted of their lost, undone, and wretched condition by the Holy Spirit. Salvation is for sinners, if you don't see yourself as a sinner, then the gospel does not apply for you. I hope that everyone reading this post may be brought to see the preciousness of the gospel. The first step in this is to be made uneasy in your soul over sin.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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We are not sinners.
We are not either perfect or flawed.
We are human beings experiencing, living and learning.
As long as we keep that in mind and as long as we don't forget we're here to learn but also to enjoy life we shall be fine.
The gospel has no value to those who have not been convicted of their lost, undone, and wretched condition by the Holy Spirit. Salvation is for sinners, if you don't see yourself as a sinner, then the gospel does not apply for you. I hope that everyone reading this post may be brought to see the preciousness of the gospel. The first step in this is to be made uneasy in your soul over sin.
Well said fivepointer; one of the gospel's great truths.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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We are not sinners.
We are not either perfect or flawed.
We are human beings experiencing, living and learning.
As long as we keep that in mind and as long as we don't forget we're here to learn but also to enjoy life we shall be fine.
The gospel has no value to those who have not been convicted of their lost, undone, and wretched condition by the Holy Spirit. Salvation is for sinners, if you don't see yourself as a sinner, then the gospel does not apply for you. I hope that everyone reading this post may be brought to see the preciousness of the gospel. The first step in this is to be made uneasy in your soul over sin.
Did you take that first step?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
We are not sinners.
We are not either perfect or flawed.
We are human beings experiencing, living and learning.
As long as we keep that in mind and as long as we don't forget we're here to learn but also to enjoy life we shall be fine.
The gospel has no value to those who have not been convicted of their lost, undone, and wretched condition by the Holy Spirit. Salvation is for sinners, if you don't see yourself as a sinner, then the gospel does not apply for you. I hope that everyone reading this post may be brought to see the preciousness of the gospel. The first step in this is to be made uneasy in your soul over sin.
Did you take that first step?
Yes. I desperately tried to act like a "Christian" (prior to my conversion) and turn from any unrighteousness that I saw in my life. The more I tried, the deeper I sank. This was over about two months. It got to the point where I saw that I was completely undone and at my core desperately wicked and without hope. Only then did the gospel open up and was revealed to me, and then the Bible made sense. The Holy Spirit had brought me into conviction. I was not converted until the gospel was revealed to me. So for a time I thought I was saved and a Christian, but was not. I'm sure many think they are saved and are not. When I told my supposedly Christian co-workers what happened they didn't want to hear it. Once I got into details of the gospel with them, they fled from me. I worked with a bunch of false professors posing as Christians.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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Tell that to the judges in the courts. I don't defend the legal system, but many thousands are incarcerated on the testimony of witnesses.
Its due to the fact that these witnesses are evidence to a crime. Their testamony is considered in an objective manner and is tested for consistency and relevance. A book that records the alleged testamony of a person thousands of years ago is not evidence.
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Many millions are also free due to the testimony of the witnesses referred to in the prior posts.
They are "free"? Many millions? This statement is incredibly vauge. What are you talking about?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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Tell that to the judges in the courts. I don't defend the legal system, but many thousands are incarcerated on the testimony of witnesses.
Its due to the fact that these witnesses are evidence to a crime. Their testamony is considered in an objective manner and is tested for consistency and relevance. A book that records the alleged testamony of a person thousands of years ago is not evidence.
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Many millions are also free due to the testimony of the witnesses referred to in the prior posts.
They are "free"? Many millions? This statement is incredibly vauge. What are you talking about?
These people 2000 years ago were also witnesses to a crime, and recorded it.
This is to explain the freedom that belief in Jesus grants people, and the recorded testimony (as opposed to alleged). We keep court records too; there are still visible records of the Salem trials. They are no less credible for being 300 years old. History is all about recorded testimony.
The freedom in Christ is something that cannot be understood unless, as fivepointer noted, the spirit of god touches you. It can be read about in Paul's letters (new testament), and perhaps promote some food for thought. I could probably write thousands of words here on the subject; however it is stated best in Romans 8. (Better to read all of Romans to get the complete picture.)
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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These people 2000 years ago were also witnesses to a crime, and recorded it.
Suspossedly. We don't know if these people actually exist, as we have no real evidence to suggest that they do. I do not consider writings about the purported event as evidence, since there is nothing to distinguish some aspects of the Bible from a work of fiction.
Once again, testimony is not evidence. When R.K. states that using Herbal Magic Happy Cure pills makes him travel through time, it doesn't actually demonstrate that such is occuring - its simply some statement by some guy.
Now, if you interpret the story literally, and assume that some man died, was buried, and then returned to life, then that assumption is baseless, as there is no evidence to demonstrate that it actually happened - words of someone who says that it did doesn't provide an understanding that would serve as the basis for knowing that it actually happened. Video evidence would be suggestive, or perhaps being an eye-witness? History isn't concrete truth, yet even the Roman empire has artifacts that contribute plausibility to the notion.
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This is to explain the freedom that belief in Jesus grants people, and the recorded testimony (as opposed to alleged).
The fact that someone recorded something doesn't mean that the testimony actually existed.
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We keep court records too; there are still visible records of the Salem trials. They are no less credible for being 300 years old. History is all about recorded testimony.
It doesn't demonstrate that the recorded testimony has any basis with the reality of the matter. I could inscribe "I was the fifth emperor of America" on a golden fork and bury it, and, thousands of years later, people would think it was true. 
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The freedom in Christ is something that cannot be understood unless, as fivepointer noted, the spirit of god touches you. It can be read about in Paul's letters (new testament), and perhaps promote some food for thought.
If the spirit of "g*d" touches me then I am going to press charges of sexual molestation on g*d". Actually, that is a perfect explanation for the sexual abuse cases in the Roman Catholic church.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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Believe what you want but don't force it on other people.
This is a forum based on debate...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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But that's my arguement :/
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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We don't know if these people actually exist, as we have no real evidence to suggest that they do.
Now, if you interpret the story literally, and assume that some man died, was buried, and then returned to life, then that assumption is baseless, as there is no evidence to demonstrate that it actually happened - words of someone who says that it did doesn't provide an understanding that would serve as the basis for knowing that it actually happened.
The fact that someone recorded something doesn't mean that the testimony actually existed.
I could inscribe "I was the fifth emperor of America" on a golden fork and bury it, and, thousands of years later, people would think it was true.
If the spirit of "g*d" touches me then I am going to press charges of sexual molestation on g*d". Actually, that is a perfect explanation for the sexual abuse cases in the Roman Catholic church. [/quote ]
Well fire_god, the explanation for the cases of sexual exploitation in the catholic church are no different than any other church or other organization. The fact is, the molestations were committed by people, not god. People are sinners, and as such, some lose their way. Some do this by taking advantage of others physically or mentally with sexual or other forms of abuse. Some people that abuse others have absolutely no affiliation to, or belief in, ant God, Bible, or system. Therefore it is the weak will of certain people; the falling of morality in a particular person, (believer or not) that cause such heinous crimes.
Your comment about charging the holy spirit with molestation is quite funny.
I'm quite sure you could bury the fork as described, and it might even cause a movement of people to believe you were the God appointed divine ruler of America. Just because they believe it to be true without a recorded history does not make it true. However, I think it is well established that there were people 2000 years ago. And when a person that was dead and buried shows himself to well in excess of 500 people over a 40 day span, and those people record this event in different places, then some credibility must be given to the witness testimony.
From your comment about the "basis for knowing it actually happened", That would seem to me to be the heart of the argument - where is the proof?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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What proof do you have (as in reliable) that Jesus was truly the son of God and not just a human being who probably had a mystical experience?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Aahh, MushroomTrip, you have asked a question which answer can only be given by that most elusive of things to understand: Faith.
I can provide no real tangible proof of the kind you would demand to see.
The whole world is focussed on proof. Everything we do in our society demands proof. Is it no surprise then, that this is a very thorny issue? There will only be proof when it is too late. Even if the whole "story" of Jesus and God turns out to be a hoax, I will have lost nothing. But if it turns out to be true, I have gained everything. If it turns out to be true, non-believers will be shocked, dismayed, and eternally damned.
Which camp do you want to be in?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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No not everything in life demands proof.
However, it is imperative to have proof for something that sustains an ideal, a concept, a theory and so on. To be more exact, on everything that could influence your life or the way you think. We can not accept flaws in these domains because if we start on something with a wrong premise them everything falls apart.
Not to mention on something so "big" as religion.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Unfortunately we shall NEVER get a straight answer from the 'faith' crowd why we should choose one myth over another seeing as how there are an infinite number of possible myths to believe in with no substantiating evidence for any of them.
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The sad part is that probably, as many others in his situation, will consider that faith is enough.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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You certainly hit on the crux of the matter. Virtually everything is flawed; including religion, including Christianity, including science. There are no absolutes. There may be constants for a period of time, however like all natural laws, these are subject to change too.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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No not everything in life demands proof.
However, it is imperative to have proof for something that sustains an ideal, a concept, a theory and so on. To be more exact, on everything that could influence your life or the way you think. We can not accept flaws in these domains because if we start on something with a wrong premise them everything falls apart.
Not to mention on something so "big" as religion.
It is reasonable to demand proof for believing something. Believing something entails trust, and trust must rest in truth. Now what proof do I have that I have truth? This probably won't satisfy you, but I know I have truth because I have witness of the Holy Spirit in myself, and the Spirit agrees with the Word that the Word is truth. I also know I am radically different than before conversion. This all from the outside must seem very subjective, but for me it is a total reality.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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Born again Christians have the highest divorce rate of any group in the USA. So much for internal change from the Holy Spirit.
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You certainly hit on the crux of the matter. Virtually everything is flawed; including religion, including Christianity, including science. There are no absolutes. There may be constants for a period of time, however like all natural laws, these are subject to change too.
I most definitely don't trust science 100%
Nothing is to be trusted 100% because everything changes.
But you have to admit that science has much much more valid points then religion.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fivepointer]
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No not everything in life demands proof.
However, it is imperative to have proof for something that sustains an ideal, a concept, a theory and so on. To be more exact, on everything that could influence your life or the way you think. We can not accept flaws in these domains because if we start on something with a wrong premise them everything falls apart.
Not to mention on something so "big" as religion.
It is reasonable to demand proof for believing something. Believing something entails trust, and trust must rest in truth. Now what proof do I have that I have truth? This probably won't satisfy you, but I know I have truth because I have witness of the Holy Spirit in myself, and the Spirit agrees with the Word that the Word is truth. I also know I am radically different than before conversion. This all from the outside must seem very subjective, but for me it is a total reality.
To make it clear - I have nothing against you or your personal beliefs. It is your life, your choice, your reason.
However I think that regarding the fact that you don't have any reliable proof of what you're saying it might be wiser for you to stop preaching about it.
You said what you believe and, as you stated before, those who have ears will listen. Now you talked & talked enough for everybody to hear and those few to listen.
I'm sure that you might have some other different subjects to share with us, different from religion.
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Born again Christians have the highest divorce rate of any group in the USA. So much for internal change from the Holy Spirit.
'Nuff said.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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True, but one would expect such an allegedly powerful, life-changing experience to show something out of the ordinary - and it doesn't.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I most definitely don't trust science 100%
Nothing is to be trusted 100% because everything changes.
But you have to admit that science has much much more valid points then religion.
I could no more admit that than I could deny Jesus. People will believe what they will believe. I happen to choose (also due to spiritual rebirth with the holy spirit) to believe in Jesus. When people bring the subject up, I must respond. There is a possibility that 1 person has been waiting to hear what I say.
The same thing holds true for science. Evolution is just a theory, there is not one shred of evidence that any leap has taken place in any species. REF: "Darwin On Trial"; Philip E. Johnson. This has not stopped a massive amount of people grabbing a hold of the theory and treating it as fact; treating it as a religion. There is more proof of Christ than there is of evolution, but the gospel is a hard message. It is not popular to believe. The gospel demands something of us and other theories like evolution demand nothing. You don't have to do anything with Darwinism, just believe. You got like it because it is easy.
Anyway, so much for religion, MushroomTrip!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I'm quite sure you could bury the fork as described, and it might even cause a movement of people to believe you were the God appointed divine ruler of America. Just because they believe it to be true without a recorded history does not make it true.
You just stated the flaw in your own belief system.
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If you know someone in the world today who is without sin, could you introduce me to them?
The concept of "sin" is based completely on one's subjective standards of right and wrong. The sins in the novel you adhere to come from the subjective ideals and explanations of an ancient, primitive civilization that held many misconceptions of the nature of reality. The aforementioned type of document has been created all around the world all throughout time, and still is today.
There are many different flavors of this "holy" book, and most contain some wise words. However, literal interpretation of these texts usually does not benefit the development of the understanding of reality. You must learn to read between the lines, understand the symbolic nature of the writings, and accept the books for what they are, collections of stories and teachings that have been tainted by both time and men.
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if you don't see yourself as a sinner, then the gospel does not apply for you.
Ok then, thank you for clearing that up for us! Now, since that has been said, please start posting in the MRP forum. You have thoroughly shown everyone here that you aren't capable of intelligent, logical debate, so this is obviously not the forum for you.
Besides, you already said your gospel doesn't apply to us, so quit wasting your breath.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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Sorry man, but you are chopping up my words as bad as the fanatical evangelicals do to the bible in order to make a case on some point.
There really are not many different points of view about what sin is. If you look at what all the different religions and sects in the world have to say about sin there are amazing parallels to the rights and wrongs. Even a considerable number of people who profess no doctrine, or who have not been exposed to any doctrine, live with some type of moral compass that guides them and keeps them out of jail (or worse).
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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How am I "chopping up your words"? 
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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With the chopper
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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I'm quite sure you could bury the fork as described, and it might even cause a movement of people to believe you were the God appointed divine ruler of America. Just because they believe it to be true without a recorded history does not make it true.
Even recorded "history" isn't credible evidence. One can record anything they wish, be it true history or fiction. Just because you believe it to be true, does not make it true.
One can read stories to try to figure out reality, or, get this, one can observe reality to better understand it. I know which is more reliable.
Do you?
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Interesting the amount of comments here about observing reality. It implies that everything one observes is reality and vv; if one does not observe it there is no reality in it. Is this fair comment on what I am reading from the many?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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Interesting the amount of comments here about observing reality. It implies that everything one observes is reality and vv; if one does not observe it there is no reality in it. Is this fair comment on what I am reading from the many?
I do not think in this manner at all. My point to you is that anyone can make fatuous claims, but where are the checks and balances? Observed reality and logic. If a claim is consistent with observed reality, then it is credible (duh). If a claim cannot be directly perceived, then logic is utilized. Since your dogma failed to pass the observed reality test, we move on to logic, where it also fails.
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Since your dogma failed to pass the observed reality test, we move on to logic, where it also fails.
Dogma & logic = oil & water
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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What I am getting at, and you failed to realize, (duh) is that with your perception that only observed reality is reality; there is also the possibility of unobserved reality. Now that is extremely logical.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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What I am getting at, and you failed to realize, (duh) is that with your perception that only observed reality is reality; there is also the possibility of unobserved reality. Now that is extremely logical.
So how can you talk about the unobserved in observing and knowing terms?
That's extremely logical too.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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You talk about how the theory of evolution is unsubstantiated. Let's run the tests.
You can believe that God molded Adam from clay and Eve from one of Adam's ribs. Is there any evidence of this? Absolutely not. Is it logical? Absolutely not. How are animals created nowadays?
Look at evolution. The refinement of the genetic pool through the proccess of adaptation and natural selection can be observed all around the earth.
Different races of humans? Millenia of adaptation to specific weather conditions and environments. (*When* God created Adam, was he white or black or neither? How then can so many different, genetically specialized human beings descend from him?)
Modern-day domesticated dogs? How do you account for so many varieties of dogs that were not present on earth before certain times? Specialized breeding done by men.
Big-ass dino bones in 65 million year old rocks? They didn't make the cut.
Primate family tree? Do you see the pattern there?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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Do you know anything 100%?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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What I am getting at, and you failed to realize, (duh) is that with your perception that only observed reality is reality; there is also the possibility of unobserved reality.
My point to you is that anyone can make fatuous claims about that which cannot be observed, but where are the checks and balances?
Obviously there is an unobserved component to reality (duh). However, one must be rational and not blindly believe something they read in a book and that there is no credible evidence for. The book says, "you won't be able to find any evidence that makes this story believable, but just believe anyway and don't question it!"
I find it funny how so many seemingly intelligent people question everything about reality (a good thing) but then all of a sudden they find this book that tells them to blindly follow it, and they bite!
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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OK, lets look at natural selection: You speak of it as if it were fact, but indeed it is not.
Whereas natural selection is held to occur due to undirected, purposeless forces, the efficacy of artificial selection depends on the intelligence and specialized knowledge of breeders; moreover, when domesticated animals return to the wild, [they] perish [or] revert to the original type, and there are definite limits to the amount of variation that even the most highly skilled breeders can achieve.
If there are reproducing organisms, and offspring vary, and the variation can be inherited, and some variations are advantageous for survival, and competition exists, and overpopulation exists, then organisms will improve. Since many organisms do not change for millions of years there is something wrong with the argument; moreover, improvement is only in success at reproduction and does not mean improvement as humans measure it.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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OK, lets look at natural selection: You speak of it as if it were fact, but indeed it is not.
Whereas natural selection is held to occur due to undirected, purposeless forces, the efficacy of artificial selection depends on the intelligence and specialized knowledge of breeders;
A-HA!
Now explain this.
You believe in an "explainable" God and Jesus and you call natural selection just normal? Unpredicted?
Please explain this... you seem to know so many things about God and Jesus and now... you're contradicting yourself.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
#6762765 - 04/08/07 07:38 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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As I spoke about in an earlier post, the concept is Faith. I don't expect you to understand, you cannot perceive that which makes no sense to you. Unless one is touched by the Spirit, one has no hope of comprehension.
However, that won't stop me from learning what the rest of the world thinks, or perceives, or hopes, or not.
Also, my apology for the duh, it was inappropriate, and not in keeping with the spirit of the forum.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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As I spoke about in an earlier post, the concept is Faith. I don't expect you to understand, you cannot perceive that which makes no sense to you. Unless one is touched by the Spirit, one has no hope of comprehension.
However, that won't stop me from learning what the rest of the world thinks, or perceives, or hopes, or not.
Also, my apology for the duh, it was inappropriate, and not in keeping with the spirit of the forum.
I agree, once you have the Holy Spirit the truth is revealed. I have learned a lot while posting on here, what I should & shouldn't say. It has been very educational. As I was once told, just try these things and see what happens. After all what do you have to lose?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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As I spoke about in an earlier post, the concept is Faith.
That is exactly the problem. God would be greatly disapointed if we failed to use the best tool he endowed us with, our brain. If we accepted things on faith, we would still think that the earth is flat and the center of the universe. It would sadden him to see a false prophet or text obstruct our path back to him, simply because we allowed it to by blindly accepting it.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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A little reiteration of your post. Diploid mentioned this quote earlier as well..
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-Galileo Galilei
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
#6763004 - 04/08/07 08:33 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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What harm is there in having faith? What do you have to lose in believing? I see it as you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. So why not?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763022 - 04/08/07 08:37 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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there's nothing wrong with faith, but the idea that faith is conveyed in a manipulative way is among all sorts of wrong. 2+2=4 works great for me but elaborate metaphysical problems take too long to digest and not everyone gets those questions right.
I'd rather have someone who's damn good at explaining 2+2 than a various books. KISS philosophy works best
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In this way it is just like Tao ~Tao Te Ching/Daodejing
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
#6763064 - 04/08/07 08:50 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you are saying it has to make sense for you to have faith in it?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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So you are saying it has to make sense for you to have faith in it?
Usually when it comes to having mystical experiences there's no room for sense.
That's why they're mystical.
BUT we're all different. And that;s why you can't just generalize a mystical experience and make everyone follow it.
There could be serious repercussions on that attempt because some people wouldn't understand and then take only parts of of it and turn it into something meaningless and scary.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
#6763122 - 04/08/07 09:06 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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What harm is there in having faith? What do you have to lose in believing?
You lose the truth. Having faith is holding a belief that one does not question or analyze or test. Having strong faith is holding steadfast to such a preconceived notion of reality regardless of contradictions or logical paradoxes. It is the unwillingness to restructure one's worldview in order to be more closely aligned with the truth.
One must remain the skeptical, agnostic scientist in order to successfully navigate the river of life toward the ultimate goal of objective truth.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
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So you are saying it has to make sense for you to have faith in it?
What do we consider to make sense? The things that happen that are consistent with observed reality. We know that when 1 mixes with 2, 3 happens. So, when we mix them, and get the expected product, it makes sense. Faith is the loophole in sense. When something is illogical or nonsensical, some rely on faith to keep them from having to adjust their beliefs accordingly. They need to believe in what they do to have a *sense* of purpose to their life.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
#6763184 - 04/08/07 09:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I ask the question again. What HARM is there in having faith in something that would give you everything, or if it is false, you would lose nothing that you already have?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763204 - 04/08/07 09:36 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll say it again. Those who blindly accept faith have no desire to understand the truth.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763236 - 04/08/07 09:46 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude... I have nothing against your beliefs.
I respect you for being so determined and for having the courage to follow what you feel is right for you.
I think the reason we all can't seem to get to mutual agreement related to the matter is that we each look from different angles.
While there's nothing wrong with believing (if you do it on your free will and I'm under the impression that you do), others don't feel like believing in it.
Some people think of the long list of flaws Christianity has had, all the wrongs that happened because of it's dogmas (and before jumping into giving me an argument here I want you to find the proper documentation so see that there have been lots of unjust acts committed by the church)... you however made the choice to focus only on the positive aspects of it.
Try to understand that some people (including me) feel threatened in their freedom when it comes down to religious dogma.
We can keep this thread as well as many others without an actual change in any of our's points of view.
That being said, I'd suggest that you get along with your beliefs because nobody is entitled to take them away from you, and for you to try to do the same thing. Leave us with our own conceptions and beliefs.
I'm sure you are a very kind and compassionate person and you can keep communicating with the rest of us on any other less issue-causing matter.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6763248 - 04/08/07 09:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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that really clears it up then.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: redgreenvines]
#6763258 - 04/08/07 09:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hope...
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
#6763275 - 04/08/07 09:54 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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With God being infinite and beyond our ability to fully understand. Don't you think that faith is needed to come to know the true God? I understand some things about God, and his plan for me, I know there are gaps in my understanding of him because he is to big for me to fully understand. Where I lack understanding I place faith in what he is doing. His thoughts are so profound who can understand them entirely? All I can ever know in this world concerning God is what he wants me to know. I have faith in who he is and his plan because I can't understand the whole thing.
If you can't have faith how can you know God?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763301 - 04/08/07 10:01 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to seem like i'm speaking for everyone but it's not that "we" don't have faith. It's just not the faith that fits "your" definition. So what's the difference?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I understand where you are coming from MushroomTrip. As I have stated in other posts. I am here to learn. I have learned a lot since posting here recently. I know me expressing my believes and stirring people up doesn't appear like I'm just here to learn, but I have learned a lot. One thing I HAVE learned is NOT to impose my beliefs on someone who doesn't want to hear them. There have been a few that have liked to what I have posted and have send me private messages on my posts.
I know most on here do not agree, but a few do. A lot was revealed to me by the spirit over the weekend and I return with a much different agenda. After this agenda is completed I won't be posting here much longer.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
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Craka X, I was replying to SoY's post.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763786 - 04/09/07 01:07 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I ask the question again. What HARM is there in having faith in something that would give you everything, or if it is false, you would lose nothing that you already have?
Faith that gives one everything in afterlife ?
With concentrating one's faith on 'gains' in afterlife, one will loose the value of life itself.
Many christians (for example) believe that life here on earth is false, bad or tainted and that is where they begin to loose this wonderful gift.
It is ALL HERE RIGHT NOW and it is GOOD.
Only humans with strange faiths, most ever in discordance with reality, have the tendency to taint this earthly paradise into a hell of their own.
So in fact, they loose ALL there IS (for them in this moment and place of their reality to be).
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
#6763942 - 04/09/07 02:11 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me here is good, but there is so much better. I would have no knowledge of what God has in store for his chosen if it had not been for him.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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After this agenda is completed I won't be posting here much longer.
Why?
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-Galileo Galilei
A little study in history will reveal that that this quote is being used here out of context and without the knowledge of Galileo's life. He was a Christian scientist, with a profound belief in the deity. He was defending his scientific mind to narrow minded church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other scientific community leaders and their underlings.
Unfortunately, most people become so far entrenched in a certain doctrine, whether that is religion (god) or science (evolution), that there is no way out but to stick to the party line.
There are a good number of Christian scientists in the world today, highly educated people. In fact, when it comes to scientists, the more educated they are, the more likely it is that they will recognize that random selection is the most unlikely of all scenarios. They are most likely to believe in architectural creation, meaning that this universe is in such order that random creation is the least likely scenario.
Mostly, due to peer pressure and the financial consequences of speaking out by having funding for research cut; these people remain silent about their belief.
The point is that diversity of ideas is good, and Galileo understood this. Science did not detract from his faith, and his faith did not suffer from his participation in science.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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A little study in history will reveal that that this quote is being used here out of context and without the knowledge of Galileo's life. He was a Christian scientist, with a profound belief in the deity. He was defending his scientific mind to narrow minded church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other scientific community leaders and their underlings.
Unfortunately, most people become so far entrenched in a certain doctrine, whether that is religion (god) or science (evolution), that there is no way out but to stick to the party line.
There are a good number of Christian scientists in the world today, highly educated people. In fact, when it comes to scientists, the more educated they are, the more likely it is that they will recognize that random selection is the most unlikely of all scenarios. They are most likely to believe in architectural creation, meaning that this universe is in such order that random creation is the least likely scenario.
Mostly, due to peer pressure and the financial consequences of speaking out by having funding for research cut; these people remain silent about their belief.
The point is that diversity of ideas is good, and Galileo understood this. Science did not detract from his faith, and his faith did not suffer from his participation in science
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
#6764339 - 04/09/07 07:00 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Therefore it is the weak will of certain people; the falling of morality in a particular person, (believer or not) that cause such heinous crimes.
Yet it is all by g*d's will, his intelligent design, if you will (); thus, g*d is the cause of such heinous crimes.
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I'm quite sure you could bury the fork as described, and it might even cause a movement of people to believe you were the God appointed divine ruler of America. Just because they believe it to be true without a recorded history does not make it true.
Exactly. Just because they believe it to be true without a recorded history does not make it true. It doesn't make it true with a recorded history either.
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However, I think it is well established that there were people 2000 years ago. And when a person that was dead and buried shows himself to well in excess of 500 people over a 40 day span, and those people record this event in different places, then some credibility must be given to the witness testimony.
Please, this is the same line of reasoning that the UFO believers persistently drop. So many people see so many different sightings in different places at different times and in the same places at the same time and this has been happening since history began so its definitely got to be true!
Anyways, please demonstrate the accurateness of your reference to historical sources. Could you please provide more information on this? One of our scholary Christians on this board has asserted that there is essentially no historical evidence of the existance of Jesus Christ. Please share your information.
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"Blessed are those who believe and have not seen."
George W. Bush said this every morning in the year or two after 9/11.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
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Anyways, please demonstrate the accurateness of your reference to historical sources. Could you please provide more information on this? One of our scholary Christians on this board has asserted that there is essentially no historical evidence of the existance of Jesus Christ. Please share your information.
The are are 2 sources actually. One is the written word of witnesses.
The second is what you refer to the metaphysical. From your posts you subscribe to seeing is believing. As one who has seen, and touched the spirit, I also testify to the existence, along with millions of others. If that does not satisfy your sense of absolute proof; then so be it. But in any exchange of ideas, starting with the very first day of education, there will be a leap of faith required of you.
Most of all the evolutionist believer movement are operating on a leap of faith because there is no evidence, only doctrine, that that any kind of leap took place in any species. REF. Darwin on Trial; Philip E.Johnson.
And that, sir, is the great paradox or belief. We both believe different doctrine on the same evidence.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
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My one question for demo is: How do you know this to be true? you don't, you are just going by blind faith. Just like the muslims are going by blind faith, just like the catholicist are going by blind faith, just like you as a christian are going by your blind faith...
DO you not see the trend here? Faith is being used against you.
All these religions believe that theirs is the "right" one. No different with yours. I mean how can you come to such a conclusion without first gathering facts about the faith itself.
I'm 19 and was a christian wholeheartedly for 17 years and then in one day all my beliefs were shattered and i was made anew based on the truth of things.
Can you seriously sit there and atest that some invisible dude in the sky invented the whole world in just 7 days and "rested" on the 7th day because he was...uh tired? I mean the whole story of how the world was created sounds like a fairytale if you sit back from 3rd person view and look at it. You'd be convinced that you live in the world of oz if all you had grown up around was that movie though wouldn't you?
All i'm saying is do some friggin research before you believe in something so hardheartedly. Nazareth didn't exist in jesus's time. Do some research into the nicean creed and you'll find all the balogne you'll want to know.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
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