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 redgreenvines
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 Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6763248 - 04/08/07 09:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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that really clears it up then.
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 MushroomTrip
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: redgreenvines]
#6763258 - 04/08/07 09:51 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hope... 
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Demotriton
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 Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: SoY]
#6763275 - 04/08/07 09:54 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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With God being infinite and beyond our ability to fully understand. Don't you think that faith is needed to come to know the true God? I understand some things about God, and his plan for me, I know there are gaps in my understanding of him because he is to big for me to fully understand. Where I lack understanding I place faith in what he is doing. His thoughts are so profound who can understand them entirely? All I can ever know in this world concerning God is what he wants me to know. I have faith in who he is and his plan because I can't understand the whole thing.
If you can't have faith how can you know God?
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Cracka_X
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763301 - 04/08/07 10:01 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to seem like i'm speaking for everyone but it's not that "we" don't have faith. It's just not the faith that fits "your" definition. So what's the difference?
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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao ~Tao Te Ching/Daodejing
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Demotriton
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6763310 - 04/08/07 10:03 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I understand where you are coming from MushroomTrip. As I have stated in other posts. I am here to learn. I have learned a lot since posting here recently. I know me expressing my believes and stirring people up doesn't appear like I'm just here to learn, but I have learned a lot. One thing I HAVE learned is NOT to impose my beliefs on someone who doesn't want to hear them. There have been a few that have liked to what I have posted and have send me private messages on my posts.
I know most on here do not agree, but a few do. A lot was revealed to me by the spirit over the weekend and I return with a much different agenda. After this agenda is completed I won't be posting here much longer.
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Demotriton
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
#6763316 - 04/08/07 10:05 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Craka X, I was replying to SoY's post.
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BlueCoyote
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763786 - 04/09/07 01:07 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Demotriton said:
So I ask the question again. What HARM is there in having faith in something that would give you everything, or if it is false, you would lose nothing that you already have?
Faith that gives one everything in afterlife ?
With concentrating one's faith on 'gains' in afterlife, one will loose the value of life itself.
Many christians (for example) believe that life here on earth is false, bad or tainted and that is where they begin to loose this wonderful gift.
It is ALL HERE RIGHT NOW and it is GOOD.
Only humans with strange faiths, most ever in discordance with reality, have the tendency to taint this earthly paradise into a hell of their own.
So in fact, they loose ALL there IS (for them in this moment and place of their reality to be).
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Demotriton
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: BlueCoyote]
#6763942 - 04/09/07 02:11 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me here is good, but there is so much better. I would have no knowledge of what God has in store for his chosen if it had not been for him.
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Salvia_Antics
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6763972 - 04/09/07 02:35 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Demotriton said:
After this agenda is completed I won't be posting here much longer.
Why?
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hummermania00
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Cracka_X]
#6764310 - 04/09/07 06:45 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
-Galileo Galilei
A little study in history will reveal that that this quote is being used here out of context and without the knowledge of Galileo's life. He was a Christian scientist, with a profound belief in the deity. He was defending his scientific mind to narrow minded church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other scientific community leaders and their underlings.
Unfortunately, most people become so far entrenched in a certain doctrine, whether that is religion (god) or science (evolution), that there is no way out but to stick to the party line.
There are a good number of Christian scientists in the world today, highly educated people. In fact, when it comes to scientists, the more educated they are, the more likely it is that they will recognize that random selection is the most unlikely of all scenarios. They are most likely to believe in architectural creation, meaning that this universe is in such order that random creation is the least likely scenario.
Mostly, due to peer pressure and the financial consequences of speaking out by having funding for research cut; these people remain silent about their belief.
The point is that diversity of ideas is good, and Galileo understood this. Science did not detract from his faith, and his faith did not suffer from his participation in science.
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When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.
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hummermania00
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
#6764321 - 04/09/07 06:49 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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A little study in history will reveal that that this quote is being used here out of context and without the knowledge of Galileo's life. He was a Christian scientist, with a profound belief in the deity. He was defending his scientific mind to narrow minded church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other church officials.
The same thing happens today with certain other scientific community leaders and their underlings.
Unfortunately, most people become so far entrenched in a certain doctrine, whether that is religion (god) or science (evolution), that there is no way out but to stick to the party line.
There are a good number of Christian scientists in the world today, highly educated people. In fact, when it comes to scientists, the more educated they are, the more likely it is that they will recognize that random selection is the most unlikely of all scenarios. They are most likely to believe in architectural creation, meaning that this universe is in such order that random creation is the least likely scenario.
Mostly, due to peer pressure and the financial consequences of speaking out by having funding for research cut; these people remain silent about their belief.
The point is that diversity of ideas is good, and Galileo understood this. Science did not detract from his faith, and his faith did not suffer from his participation in science
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You are a fortunate person indeed, if you can begin each day accepting the fact that during that day there will be ups and downs, good breaks and bad ones, disappointments, surprises, and unexpected turns of events.
When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.
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fireworks_god
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
#6764339 - 04/09/07 07:00 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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hummermania00 said:
Therefore it is the weak will of certain people; the falling of morality in a particular person, (believer or not) that cause such heinous crimes.
Yet it is all by g*d's will, his intelligent design, if you will ( ); thus, g*d is the cause of such heinous crimes.
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I'm quite sure you could bury the fork as described, and it might even cause a movement of people to believe you were the God appointed divine ruler of America. Just because they believe it to be true without a recorded history does not make it true.
Exactly. Just because they believe it to be true without a recorded history does not make it true. It doesn't make it true with a recorded history either.
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However, I think it is well established that there were people 2000 years ago. And when a person that was dead and buried shows himself to well in excess of 500 people over a 40 day span, and those people record this event in different places, then some credibility must be given to the witness testimony.
Please, this is the same line of reasoning that the UFO believers persistently drop. So many people see so many different sightings in different places at different times and in the same places at the same time and this has been happening since history began so its definitely got to be true!
Anyways, please demonstrate the accurateness of your reference to historical sources. Could you please provide more information on this? One of our scholary Christians on this board has asserted that there is essentially no historical evidence of the existance of Jesus Christ. Please share your information.
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"Blessed are those who believe and have not seen."
George W. Bush said this every morning in the year or two after 9/11.
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Like being here
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: fireworks_god]
#6764381 - 04/09/07 07:28 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyways, please demonstrate the accurateness of your reference to historical sources. Could you please provide more information on this? One of our scholary Christians on this board has asserted that there is essentially no historical evidence of the existance of Jesus Christ. Please share your information.
The are are 2 sources actually. One is the written word of witnesses.
The second is what you refer to the metaphysical. From your posts you subscribe to seeing is believing. As one who has seen, and touched the spirit, I also testify to the existence, along with millions of others. If that does not satisfy your sense of absolute proof; then so be it. But in any exchange of ideas, starting with the very first day of education, there will be a leap of faith required of you.
Most of all the evolutionist believer movement are operating on a leap of faith because there is no evidence, only doctrine, that that any kind of leap took place in any species. REF. Darwin on Trial; Philip E.Johnson.
And that, sir, is the great paradox or belief. We both believe different doctrine on the same evidence.
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When you have solved all the mysteries of life you long for death, for it is but another mystery of life.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: hummermania00]
#6764505 - 04/09/07 08:40 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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My one question for demo is: How do you know this to be true? you don't, you are just going by blind faith. Just like the muslims are going by blind faith, just like the catholicist are going by blind faith, just like you as a christian are going by your blind faith...
DO you not see the trend here? Faith is being used against you.
All these religions believe that theirs is the "right" one. No different with yours. I mean how can you come to such a conclusion without first gathering facts about the faith itself.
I'm 19 and was a christian wholeheartedly for 17 years and then in one day all my beliefs were shattered and i was made anew based on the truth of things.
Can you seriously sit there and atest that some invisible dude in the sky invented the whole world in just 7 days and "rested" on the 7th day because he was...uh tired? I mean the whole story of how the world was created sounds like a fairytale if you sit back from 3rd person view and look at it. You'd be convinced that you live in the world of oz if all you had grown up around was that movie though wouldn't you?
All i'm saying is do some friggin research before you believe in something so hardheartedly. Nazareth didn't exist in jesus's time. Do some research into the nicean creed and you'll find all the balogne you'll want to know.
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Re: My Testimony of things to come [Re: Demotriton]
#6766404 - 04/09/07 03:32 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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 This thread has been closed.
Reason:
Demotriton created a new thread to discuss this topic. As we do not need multiple active threads discussing the same topic, by the same user, and Demotrition was made aware of this already, this thread is hereby locked.
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