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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6701512 - 03/22/07 11:55 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

Would this extraction work for Phalaris grass, assumming you wanted 5-MeO-DMT?


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #6701663 - 03/23/07 12:56 AM (17 years, 10 days ago)

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Would this extraction work for Phalaris grass, assumming you wanted 5-MeO-DMT?




It certainly would! If you plan on doing it, remember that there's only 0.02% DMT in Phalaris, so your gunna need a HELL of alot. Also, it would be best to do around 3 defats after the acid water.

My Question: I am doing an extraction on some Acacia Phyllodes. I didn't defat them on account of being lazy, so now ask, when I do my solvent pulls, if I freeze precip them, will I get clean crystals? Remember this solvent will be very fatty. What I plan to do is freeze precip the fatty solvent, collect crystals that form, evap the rest of the solvent that doesn't crystallise and re-run the fatty goo from the evaporation through the a-b extraction again, this time defatting it. Would this work?

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
    #6702188 - 03/23/07 07:08 AM (17 years, 10 days ago)

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I am doing an extraction on some Acacia Phyllodes. I didn't defat them Would this work?




Not too familiar with Acacia extractions... however I have read a LITTLE about it and from what I undestand you need to defat it. Don't take my word for it though. I will try to find the soure I read and post it later. :smirk:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6702810 - 03/23/07 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 days ago)

Itsamemario, Your biggest concern for the DMT will be underdosing so it might be better to add what you think is 50mg and then add a little more, the worst that can happen is you break through early and leave a little smoke in the bowl. And for all that effort why let yourself fall short?


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: j3ckyl]
    #6703718 - 03/23/07 04:05 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

hey sdp, any coin pics yet? i still haven't dosed since i cant measure this right.need coin pic..

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6703866 - 03/23/07 05:20 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

:crazy2:

Someone sent this to me sayin that it's 50mg in the little line above the quarter:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6703900 - 03/23/07 05:36 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

haha sdp youre my hero. dmt molecular hero. if you ever end up in LA you can sleep in my bed and fuck my sister.

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6703912 - 03/23/07 05:45 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

I may be cruisin LA sometime in the future. Keep in touch :cool:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6705911 - 03/24/07 09:54 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

how well do you have to shake up the naptha for norman's tek? i think i only did it for about 2-3 minutes for both jugs and have gotten piss poor amount of crystals for my first pull off of 1lb mimosa! very dissapointed. arg!

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6705969 - 03/24/07 10:25 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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how well do you have to shake up the naptha for norman's tek? i think i only did it for about 2-3 minutes for both jugs and have gotten piss poor amount of crystals for my first pull off of 1lb mimosa! very dissapointed. arg!




No shaking, creates emulsion layer, turn the jug back and forth gently but completely for about 5 minutes or so. :wink:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6705971 - 03/24/07 10:27 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

what does the emulsion layer do? also, ive been reading up on 'best source for mimosa' and MBJ keeps getting mentioned. where is that?

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: ItsaMeMario]
    #6705978 - 03/24/07 10:34 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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what does the emulsion layer do? also, ive been reading up on 'best source for mimosa' and MBJ keeps getting mentioned. where is that?




The emulsions layer is the fatty soapy layer inbetween your naphtha and your base solution... its the layer that you wait for to "Separate" each time you do a pull. You try to avoid this emulsion layer at all cost. NEVER shake the jug, always topple gently back and forth to avoid making it bubbly with emulsions. If you have a big emulsions layer this could account for a partial yield loss. As described earlier in the first couple of posts, you can make a safe heatbath w/ the jug to help dissolve emulsions. The part about the lid bands in the pressure cooker filled with water with the jug on top the bands, all on the stove. :thumbup: :rasta:

Thanks for the MJB recommendation! I've ordered some stuff from them, but never MHRB, i will DEFINITELY give it a try!

http://www.mjb-botanicals.com/


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6706255 - 03/24/07 12:14 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

Damn, I just did my second pull using the baggy method and got a few nasty emulsions. How can I get them out? Heat up the solvent you say? My first pull I didn't use as much solvent so did the turkey baster method, but this one alod of solvent so turkey bastering would of taken forever.

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
    #6706321 - 03/24/07 12:32 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

I just skimmed the extraction method (I have read DMT extractions before) and got an idea...

in the final step where you freeze/crystalize the DMT... say if you had a pretty sizeable DMT crystal already... and strung said crystal in the DMT/Naptha solution while it is in the freezer just before any crystals precipitate... would the crystals form on the old DMT crystal?

I'm thinking back to a HighSchool Chemistry class where we did something like that with a supersaturated Sugar solution.

I suppose that this wouldn't be the best way to have DMT crystals to consume... but to get a huge ass crystal like they have on erowid... :laugh:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
    #6706678 - 03/24/07 03:02 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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Damn, I just did my second pull using the baggy method and got a few nasty emulsions. How can I get them out? Heat up the solvent you say? My first pull I didn't use as much solvent so did the turkey baster method, but this one alod of solvent so turkey bastering would of taken forever.




Yea I've already talked about it twice... you just take the jug w/ your base + naphtha + emulsions, put it on top of some lid bands in a pressure cooker or big pot, fill the pot up most of the way with water, LOOSEN JUG CAP, turn heat on medium-high, wait for emulsions to separate. If you look at the string of pics I posted you will get an idea of what to do.

The trick is to make sure you gently tilt the jug back and forth to mix. Don't shake, don't tilt it back and forth fast... no need to, just back and forth slowly. By back and forth I mean a whole range from right-side-up to up-side-down, all slowly. About 2-3 seconds for a complete tilt cycle. Continue for 5 minutes. Then separate or heat bath as needed. :thumbup:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: shnoob]
    #6706705 - 03/24/07 03:09 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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say if you had a pretty sizeable DMT crystal already... and strung said crystal in the DMT/Naptha solution while it is in the freezer just before any crystals precipitate... would the crystals form on the old DMT crystal?




The crystals do form on old crystals, but I don't know if it will on a string. Worth a shot, eh? Take some pics if it successful. :grin:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6706778 - 03/24/07 03:40 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

"seeding" crystals before freeze precipitation or recrystallization apparently works quite well, done enough times you'd get one of those nice crystals on erowid.


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6707172 - 03/24/07 05:55 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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Damn, I just did my second pull using the baggy method and got a few nasty emulsions. How can I get them out? Heat up the solvent you say? My first pull I didn't use as much solvent so did the turkey baster method, but this one alod of solvent so turkey bastering would of taken forever.




Yea I've already talked about it twice... you just take the jug w/ your base + naphtha + emulsions, put it on top of some lid bands in a pressure cooker or big pot, fill the pot up most of the way with water, LOOSEN JUG CAP, turn heat on medium-high, wait for emulsions to separate. If you look at the string of pics I posted you will get an idea of what to do.

The trick is to make sure you gently tilt the jug back and forth to mix. Don't shake, don't tilt it back and forth fast... no need to, just back and forth slowly. By back and forth I mean a whole range from right-side-up to up-side-down, all slowly. About 2-3 seconds for a complete tilt cycle. Continue for 5 minutes. Then separate or heat bath as needed. :thumbup:




Ok cool thanks. Does the hot-bath also help to suck up extra goodies? I thought I remember reading if the solvent is warm it will suck up more alkaloids, I dunno?

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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: retrospect]
    #6707242 - 03/24/07 06:23 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

If the solvent is warm it may suck up more goodies...

...but the whole point of the heathbath is to dissolve emulsions, AFTER mixing... so no unless you plan to heatbath, tilt jug back and forth to mix again, then heatbath AGAIN to separate. :peace:


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Re: Marsofold DMT extraction question [Re: SDP]
    #6707404 - 03/24/07 07:34 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

can you vape the dmt? i still havent gotten the smoking technique right and already went thru like 300mg. no breakthru yet. cant get past the aweful taste and feeling in my lungs. i have a vapordoc tho. wonder how that would work...

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