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I found this over in the Mysticism forum. I thought it was worth a look over here.
Here is a short list of doomsday predictions:
About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Jeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God's Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: "...there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: "...This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn't happen.
About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of persons who were living in the middle of the 1st century.
About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.
2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.
365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn't.
375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.
500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.
968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.
992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting.
1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics.
1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.
1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the closeness of the end.
1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus' actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.
1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine's reign. Thus, the world end would happen in 1306 CE.
1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.
1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.
1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.
1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.
1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.
1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.
1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus' return would happen in 1533 and that the New Jerusalem would be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.
1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death from 1669 to 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.
1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.
1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah's for OCT-13 of this year.
1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.
1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.
1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.
1843: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote:
"I was once praying very ernestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
'Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou are eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.'
I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time."
Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century.
1843-MAR-21: William Miller, founder of the Millerite movement, predicted that Jesus would come on this date.
1844-OCT-22: When Jesus did not return, Miller predicted this new date. In an event which is now called "The Great Disappointment," many Christians sold their property and possessions, quit their jobs and prepared themselves for the second coming. Nothing happened; the day came and went without incident.
1850: Ellen White, founder of the Seven Day Adventists movement, made many predictions of the timing of the end of the world. All failed. She made one on 1850-JUN-27 that only a few months remained before the end. She wrote: "My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' ...now time is almost finished...and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." 10
1856 or later: At Ellen White's last prediction, she said that she was shown in a vision the fate of believers who attended the 1856 SDA conference. She wrote "I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: 'Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." 11 That is, some of the attendees would die of normal diseases; some would die from plagues at the last days, others would still be alive when Jesus came. "By the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure." 12
1891 or before: On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)
1914 was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914 passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.
1914, 1915, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994, etc. were other dates that the Watchtower Society (WTS) or its members predicted.
Since late in the 19th century, they had taught that the "battle of the Great Day of God Almighty" (Armageddon) would happen in 1914 CE. It didn't.
The next major estimate was 1925. Watchtower magazine predicted: "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914; but it would be presumptuous on the part of any faithful follower of the Lord to assume just what the Lord is going to do during that year." 6
The Watchtower Society selected 1975 as its next main prediction. This was based on the estimate "according to reliable Bible chronology Adam was created in the year 4026 BCE, likely in the autumn of the year, at the end of the sixth day of creation." 8 They believed that the year 1975 a promising date for the end of the world, as it was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation. Exactly 1,000 years was to pass for each day of the creation week. This prophecy also failed.
The current estimate is that the end of the world as we know it will happen precisely 6000 years after the creation of Eve. 9 There is no way of knowing when this happened.
1919: Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.
1936: Herbert W Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God, predicted that the Day of the Lord would happen sometime in 1936. When the prediction failed, he made a new estimate: 1975.
1940 or 1941: A Bible teacher from Australia, Leonard Sale-Harrison, held a series of prophesy conferences across North America in the 1930's. He predicted that the end of the world would happen in 1940 or 1941. 7
1948: During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.
1953-AUG: David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.
1957-APR: The Watchtower magazine quoted 6 a pastor from California, Mihran Ask, as saying in 1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched.'
1959: The Branch Davidians of Waco TX believed that they would be killed, resurrected and transferred to heaven by APR-22.
1960: Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.
1967: During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened.
1970's: The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid 1970's and destroy all life in the United States. One source indicated that he believed it would happen in 1973.
1972: According to an article in the Atlantic magazine, "Herbert W. Armstrong's empire suffered a serious blow when the end failed to begin in January of 1972, as Armstrong had predicted, thus bringing hardship to many people who had given most of their assets to the church in the expectation of going to Petra, where such worldly possessions would be useless." 3 According to an article in Wikipedia:
"The failure of this prophetic scenario to take place according to this Co-Worker letter scenario, which was often repeated over the years in print by Armstrong, may have been one of the initial reasons why the church organization began to decline as unfulfilled expectations led to great disappointment. As events unfolded, it became obvious 1972 did not have the biblical significance that the church had anticipated for nearly two decades." 15
1974: Charles Meade, a pastor in Daleville, IN, predicted that the end of the world will happen during his lifetime. He was born circa 1927, so the end will probably come early in the 21st century.
1975: A major Jehovah's Witness prediction date.
1978: Chuck Smith, Pastor of Calvary Chapel in Cost Mesa, CA, predicted the rapture in 1981.
1980: Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i World Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth.
1981:
Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel taught an anti-Trinitarian belief about God, and Christian Identity. Back in the 1970's, he predicted that the Antichrist would appear before 1981.
Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church predicted that the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year.
1982: Pat Robertson predicted a few years in advance that the world would end in the fall of 1982.
1982: Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align as seen from earth, as they do regularly. Nothing unusual happened.
1984 to 1999: In 1983, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, later called Osho, teacher of what has been called the Rajneesh movement, is said to have predicted massive destruction on earth, including natural disasters and man-made catastrophes. Floods larger than any since Noah, extreme earthquakes, very destructive volcano eruptions, nuclear wars etc. will be experienced. Tokyo, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Bombay will all disappear. Actually, the predictions were read by his secretary; their legitimacy is doubtful.
1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Aramageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan peninsula."
1986: Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.
1987 to 2000: Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.
1988:
Hal Lindsey had predicted in his book "The Late, Great Planet Earth" that the Rapture was coming in 1988 - one generation or 40 years after the creation of the state of Israel. This failed prophecy did not appear to damage his reputation. He continues to write books of prophecy which sell very well indeed.
Alfred Schmielewsky, a psychic whose stage name was "super-psychic A.S. Narayana," predicted in 1986 that the world's greatest natural disaster would hit Montreal in 1988. Sadly, his psychic abilities failed him on 1999-APR-11 when he answered the door of his home only to be shot dead by a gunman.
1988-MAY: A 1981 movie titled "The man who saw tomorrow" described some of Nostradamus predictions. Massive earthquakes were predicted for San Francisco and Los Angeles.
1988-OCT-11: Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.
About 1990: Peter Ruckman concluded from his analysis of the Bible that the rapture would come within a few years of 1990.
Hey, maybe we'll have better luck in 2012? Seriously, are all of you guys serious about the 2012 end of world? Do you honestly believe it? Based on what?
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i dont believe in an end of the world on any specific date. its gonna take time. unless a giant meteor the size of mars smacks into the face of the earth, or we set off all the nukes on earth, i dont think its really possible.
I believe there will be a day when all mankind fades away, because its pretty innevitable. I think itll be pretty gradual. i guess the doomsday date in my mind will be when the last human dies.
But what exactly does "the world ending" even really mean? does it simply stop earthing?
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I think mankind will become extinct. But no yahoo is going to predict it until it's about to happen. Then lots of folk should be able to figure it out.
If I'm alive when this happens I plan on ignoring the fishing catch limits.;)
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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If Armageddon ever does occur it will be when mankind least expects it. No one will know exactly when, where, or how.
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I remember a Terrence Mckenna lecture where he said "There isn't going to BE an end of the world. And you're hearing this from the prophet of 2012", or words to that effect. Meaning, he was not predicting some biblical apocolypse, but a transdimensional shift in human consciousness where we will become unrecognizable to ourselves.
What do you think of the validity of this, taking into account the pace at which the human world is changing?
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This world will come to an end one way or another. Maybe asteroid B-612 about 800 years from now. Revelations 6 says that 'the stars will fall,' Revelations 16 says 'the sun will scorch the Earth with fire.' I figure that asteroids will fall (*aster* means 'star' in Greek, asteroids, like little stars, since stars can't 'fall' and we don't live in a Geocentric cosmos), OR the Sun will Nova, engulfing the inner planets (and scorching us with fire) before it shrinks and dies (It's too small a star to Supernova). So, the truth is probably given in Revelations, but the time frame is off by another 800 years before 'nuclear winter' commences, or several million years til the Sun dies.
As to the metaphysics of the human race - will it transcend (rapture) all at once as in Arthur C. Clark's book Childhood's End, or will the human race die on the planet, or will we acquire the technology to travel to younger star systems and colonize (like Commander Adama (Adam) did in the 'Battlestar Galactica' original TV series (replete with characters named Andromeda, Lucifer, etc.). Whoooooooo Knows?
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Sometime around 2163 is the date that is calculated from some Tibetan prophecies.
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Re: Doomsday [Re: Sinbad]
#6635492 - 03/04/07 06:43 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the Hindus are by far the most optimistic religion in predicting doomsday. The Kalki avatar is supposed to come at the end of the Kali Yuga, sometime around 428899 CE.
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Sorry, that Tibetan prediction is just for the end of this world 'age'. not for the actual 'end of the world' as such.
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Re: Doomsday [Re: Sinbad]
#6635644 - 03/04/07 07:26 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Theres a few more wonderful depictions of doom!
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As to the metaphysics of the human race - will it transcend (rapture) all at once as in Arthur C. Clark's book Childhood's End, or will the human race die on the planet, or will we acquire the technology to travel to younger star systems and colonize (like Commander Adama (Adam) did in the 'Battlestar Galactica' original TV series (replete with characters named Andromeda, Lucifer, etc.). Whoooooooo Knows?
I guess the point of this for me is. [WHO CARES?] Looking at the future (except for amusement purposes) just takes one out of what's going down now. I'm all for now and letting then take care of itself.;)
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THE TRUTH:
There is no exact date as it would ruin God's plan for salvation if people KNEW the date. It is the SEASONS we must watch. What is going on around us. Seek God, Ask God, and he will tell you.
(an 11th Apostle)
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Or maybe God is a delusion and our planet will freeze when our sun burns out.
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It is possible that humans could kill themselves out, and allow the natural order to resume on Earth, but for anyone to think humans can destroy the planet is very naive. I think it unlikely either situation will ever occur. Humans have always put forth the bare minimum effort to keep the species going. Humans may someday soon find themselves in a living hell created by the destruction of our own environment, but I think that people will be around to fuck up the world and shit on themselves for many years after I am gone 
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I drank a cup of tea this morning. I may or may not study for exams at some point today; probably will. The end of the world will probably come when I die.
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Re: Doomsday [Re: Lion]
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Even if the sun stops shining and all life as we know it was to disappear, there'd still be something there. Either the concept of nothingness is beyond the human ability to perceive or understand, or there will always be something in existence.
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Quote:
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Or maybe God is a delusion and our planet will freeze when our sun burns out.
Freeze? not quite.
The sun is going to explode into a Red Giant, enveloping the first 4 planets, and pretty much vaporizing them back into their core elements.
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Quote:
Demotriton said:
THE TRUTH:
There is no exact date as it would ruin God's plan for salvation if people KNEW the date. It is the SEASONS we must watch. What is going on around us. Seek God, Ask God, and he will tell you.
(an 11th Apostle)
Prove it dood. I'm lumping you in with all these doomsdayers.
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Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said:
It is possible that humans could kill themselves out, and allow the natural order to resume on Earth, but for anyone to think humans can destroy the planet is very naive. I think it unlikely either situation will ever occur. Humans have always put forth the bare minimum effort to keep the species going. Humans may someday soon find themselves in a living hell created by the destruction of our own environment, but I think that people will be around to fuck up the world and shit on themselves for many years after I am gone
Doesn't change the fact that most all species become extinct at some point. We may live on for a million years only to go bye bye at a million and one.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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2012 isn't an end its an idea to help mobilize people of a certain mindset into eliciting radical benevolent change upon the planet
and it may be something tangible
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True...even if we are successful in the long run a big bang will likely get us at the end of the universe.
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Re: Doomsday [Re: leery11]
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Quote:
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2012 isn't an end its an idea to help mobilize people of a certain mindset into eliciting radical benevolent change upon the planet
and it may be something tangible
It's not a motivational invention, it's an actual prediction based on information. Are you familiar with Robert A. Wilson's writing on information doubling and Terrence Mckenna's Timewave Zero?
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Re: Doomsday [Re: bradley]
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i am familiar with the idea of technological singularity..... and i think i have heard of timewave zero
i am optimistic about these things very much, but i mean in the day to day living things, it is basically a catalyst to get people jumping on board to mutual ideas of peace and etc.
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Matthew 24:30-33
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Please ask God for proof, he gave me proof. I try to only do God's will.
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Matthew 24:30-33
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Please ask God for proof, he gave me proof. I try to only do God's will.
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I'm not trying to insult your beliefs or anything, but I don't think Revelation should be interpreted literally. The whole book of Revelation reads like an acid trip; it is charged with psychic energy and symbolism. If you only read the book at its face value, you're not only weakening the message but you're completely misconstruing John's Revelation as a whole.
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THE TRUTH:
There is no exact date as it would ruin God's plan for salvation if people KNEW the date. It is the SEASONS we must watch. What is going on around us. Seek God, Ask God, and he will tell you.
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Prove it dood. I'm lumping you in with all these doomsdayers.
The Proof is with God.
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Please ask God for proof, he gave me proof. I try to only do God's will.
And what proof did He give you?
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Matthew 24:30-33
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Please ask God for proof, he gave me proof. I try to only do God's will.
(an 11th Apostle)
I'm not trying to insult your beliefs or anything, but I don't think Revelation should be interpreted literally. The whole book of Revelation reads like an acid trip; it is charged with psychic energy and symbolism. If you only read the book at its face value, you're not only weakening the message but you're completely misconstruing John's Revelation as a whole.
LOL wow, I thought you said Revelation instead of Matthew...
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what if God teaches me that Christianity is completely wrong, and is the McDonald's of all religions?
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Matthew 24:30-33
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.
Please ask God for proof, he gave me proof. I try to only do God's will.
(an 11th Apostle)
Yeah I read a book once too but I don't like fiction dood. Come up with something of your own and you might be able to contribute to a discussion.
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I completely agree with you in this. I am not an Apocalypticist, and I am not interested in the mythic or archetypal themes that fundamentalist Christians attempt to superimpose over current events. I am intrigued, however, with the notion that the Biblical writings - particularly Paul - can be interpreted from a completely Gnostic point of view, and in doing so, Paul is not wrong about the immanent 'end of time.' If one interprets Paul in the standard, historical manner, he is utterly and completely wrong about the immanent end of the world, Jesus coming back in clouds of glory, etc.
The Gnostic interpretation of the Biblical writings (again, Paul for the most part) offers us a 'fully realized eschatology,' which means that all of it: death, resurrection, ascension, judgement - all the mythic themes - exist completely in the Eternal Present, the Here & Now - just as in Hindu Yoga or Buddhist metaphysics. The orthodox view is of a 'partially realized eschatology,' which in an Orwellian "double-think" manner, says to us that Christ has already won the battle against Satan, or evil, but the fulfillment must unfold in time, in history. Since the crucifixion of Jesus, the Roman persecutions, the Crusades, Inquisition, countless wars, the Holocaust, the atomic and hydrogen bombs, the Killing Fields, Darfur, etc., etc., etc., human evil has obviously multiplied.
Perhaps evil has in fact been overcome in the Homeland whence it began - Heaven - the original spiritual rebellion - but it clearly has not been overcome in the world of Mankind. Perhaps this is what those words of Jesus about preparing a place for His followers in Heaven refer to. The Gnostic 'end of time' is not about an end of history in an apocalyptic event, it is about the 'end of time' when the 'individual' transcends time and enters into the Eternal Present or Presence - a possibility that is immanent to anyone who is blessed with such a mystical occasion.
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Ya got me. I never knew the guy.
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Doomsday is not a historical event but a psychological one.
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Doomsday is not a historical event but a psychological one.
Exactly. I was once part of a Gnostic circle for whom the Book of Revelation was given great emphasis. But it was not interpreted as a fortelling of the end of the world, but rather the mystical struggle to transcend the ego and find one's Christ nature.
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Joeseph Campbell would have agreed.
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In a dream 11 years ago God told me this was the most important dream I would ever have in my life......he showed me many events that would happen in my life.....now those events have been coming true exactly as he showed me in the dream.
A little over a year ago there were others posting on here, that had the same experience. From what they typed in their posts, I thought they were me, thats how much alike our life experiences were.
I've had far too many confirmations to list, that this is from God. I would have to be a complete moron to deny this truth God has given me. God has a task for all of us. Mine is what it is not because of anything I did to deserve it, but because for whatever reason God chose me. I consider myself only a messenger. I am sinner like all the rest at the mercy of God.
I know I will be called names & poked fun at for this, but so were all the others.
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I know I will be called names & poked fun at for this, but so were all the others.
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But you're a believer and a knower and a true follower, why do you even care about what others might think(mere mortals)?
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I've had far too many confirmations to list, that this is from God. I would have to be a complete moron to deny this truth God has given me. God has a task for all of us. Mine is what it is not because of anything I did to deserve it, but because for whatever reason God chose me. I consider myself only a messenger. I am sinner like all the rest at the mercy of God.
You're ostensibly a fundamentalist Christian, no?
You should read some of Carl Jung's works, he articulates a vast knowledge of the unconscious mind (the part of your psyche that elicits dreams). Jung believes that dreams serve a compensatory and sometimes anticipatory role.
Many times there are flaws in our egos, our conscious mind. We may be angry, bitter, cold, or even unduly introverted. The unconscious mind communicates the changes that should be made symbolically via dreams. Perhaps the dreams you had were a sign from your unconscious mind telling you to change your conscious character in some way.
In response to your supposed premonitions of future events: The unconscious mind may elicit dreams that serve as a sort of 'warning sign' to the ego. These dreams may depict a catastrophic event, images of death, or scenes of ripened age. The anticipatory role of the unconscious mind is not a form of precognition; the unconscious mind simply interprets subtle cues from the environment that foreshadow a (potential) coming event. These ambiguous cues are usually completely glossed over by the conscious mind.
Not that "God" didn't communicate to you through your dreams, but I don't think dreams are anything paranormal or divine. As stated before, dreams serve as a sort of reality check to your ego, helping to make up for what lacks in the conscious mind and warning the ego of what needs to change in order for optimal adaptation to ones environment. The unconscious mind is only a piece of the whole psyche. What you've experienced is simply a part of your mind.
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Trust the Mayans, all there predictions from economic changes to the negative effects of humans on earth were exact as clockwork.
I truly believe that it wont be the end of the "world", but the planet will be cleansed by its self (already wee see that our changing of the temperatures is making the planet "mad lol" and we are having a massive rising in natural disaster numbers).
so yea, basically a lot of humans will die as well as our pollution making bullshit we have been building for centuries, for the survival of earth. And personally i agree with this happening, we are the ones in error, WE need to change our ways because we are fucking dumb and don't think of consequences be for taking action because we don't care about anything except the money it can give us at that second.
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Trust the Mayans, all there predictions from economic changes to the negative effects of humans on earth were exact as clockwork.
I truly believe that it wont be the end of the "world", but the planet will be cleansed by its self (already wee see that our changing of the temperatures is making the planet "mad lol" and we are having a massive rising in natural disaster numbers).
so yea, basically a lot of humans will die as well as our pollution making bullshit we have been building for centuries, for the survival of earth. And personally i agree with this happening, we are the ones in error, WE need to change our ways because we are fucking dumb and don't think of consequences be for taking action because we don't care about anything except the money it can give us at that second.
Sounds anthropomorphic.
More meaningless predictions based on wishful thinking.
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In a dream 11 years ago God told me this was the most important dream I would ever have in my life......he showed me many events that would happen in my life.....now those events have been coming true exactly as he showed me in the dream.
A little over a year ago there were others posting on here, that had the same experience. From what they typed in their posts, I thought they were me, thats how much alike our life experiences were.
I've had far too many confirmations to list, that this is from God. I would have to be a complete moron to deny this truth God has given me. God has a task for all of us. Mine is what it is not because of anything I did to deserve it, but because for whatever reason God chose me. I consider myself only a messenger. I am sinner like all the rest at the mercy of God.
I know I will be called names & poked fun at for this, but so were all the others.
(an 11th Apostle)
God told me people like you are silly for claiming their delusional states are messages from him. Should I believe him?
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Does this also mean that God's messages all over the world are also delusional? Is God Delusional? Or is it the beholder?
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Does this also mean that God's messages all over the world are also delusional?
Which messages? What are you talking about? Who is this "g*d" character, and do we really need him anyways?
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Does this also mean that God's messages all over the world are also delusional? Is God Delusional? Or is it the beholder?
No, it's definitely god who is delusional.
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www.medjugorje.org One place God is leaving signs.
Keep looking at the sun with faith that God will shield your eyes and then watch the sun change. Keep looking (with faith) at you will see the miracle of the sun.
God is the one who created us. Why did he create us?
Why do people have children?
Why do people get married?
Why do people have friends?
For LOVE! God created us for LOVE! cause it is the most powerful force know in the universe & in order to Love you need someone else, but in order for it to be love it must be by freewill. Which is why God gave us freewill, so we could LOVE him! God is our REAL father all else is an illusion, only God is real & anyone joined to God by Love becomes one with God. Just as Jesus was one with our Father so will all who are joined to him by LOVE!
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You would need to show some evidence that God is behind this. You won't and you can't. You never have done anything but spout non-sense IMO.
I don't doubt love is a prime mover. Not God.
I'll leave the staring at the sun to you though.
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Your right I can't show you any proof, but God can & he will. You just need to believe its him and not something else.
I used to think I knew what Love was, and I doubted its power. That was until I felt true Love from God. Then I realized what I thought was Love before was nothing compared to God's Love.
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but God can & he will.
Now you are telling me what god will do. As if you know.
Your attitude is very superior and condesending IMO. And I don't really think you have a clue about anything at all.
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but God can & he will.
Now you are telling me what god will do. As if you know.
Your attitude is very superior and condescending IMO. And I don't really think you have a clue about anything at all.
I KNOW God will show proof to those who NEED proof because God loves us so much & wants us to be with him, that he will do ANYTHING to bring us back to him. The only thing that stands in his way is OUR freewill.
In my experience the proof doesn't come in a way you would expect & it doesn't come all at once. Ask him for proof DAILY and he WILL show you proof. Show a commitment to him and that you truly want to know him & who HE is & he WILL act. For God desires the salvation of ALL souls, its just that not all souls desire salvation, or know what it is.
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God created us for LOVE! cause it is the most powerful force know in the universe & in order to Love you need someone else
Any possibility of love for the self?
Of course not. We're taught to undermine and smother ourselves. We're sinners, after all.
I constantly hear this coming from Christians and it's tiring.
Your God is a slavemaster. A keeper of hollow servants. I see you prostrate in a pool of your own spiritual blood before a uncompassionate overseer who coddles you as you murder your true self while crying out "LOVE"
Talk to me about salvation when all the central banks of the world are in ruins ok?
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Any possibility of love for the self?
-One problem with love of self, PRIDE, Just look at what happened to Lucifer, his only flaw was a little self respect that grew into Pride to the point he thought he was just as good as God.
Of course not. We're taught to undermine and smother ourselves. We're sinners, after all.
-God made us sinners so we would learn humility, and not have the Pride Lucifer had.
Your God is a slave master. A keeper of hollow servants. I see you prostrate in a pool of your own spiritual blood before a compassionate overseer who coddles you as you murder your true self while crying out "LOVE"
-You are describing what Satan wants us to think God is. The true God is not a slave master, but a servant to his people. Look how Jesus set this example by washing the feet of his disciples, HE served them.
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"Any possibility of love for the self?"
Oh yeah, 'self-love' is a very much required part of loving others and g*d. In fact, without 'self-love' you aren't able to love others. That's why the text goes 'love your neighbor as you love yourself'.
But self-love turns toxic if it is exaggerated to selfishness, narcissism, pride, respectlessness, and so forth.
And that's why the purest love is 'unconditional'. This love fails to be tainted by any thing.
The universe supports any choice you make and if you choose to feel without value, the univere will even support that you have no value, because it loves you so much unconditionally.
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Oh yeah, 'self-love' is a very much required part of loving others and g*d. In fact, without 'self-love' you aren't able to love others.
Well said. I could not agree more.
and we see how one person's God (He) is another person's Universe (It)...amazing how simple tweaks of language can change the entire cosmology.
I guess notions of patriarchal omnipotence just rub me the wrong way.
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But self-love turns toxic if it is exaggerated to selfishness, narcissism, pride, respectlessness, and so forth.
I submit that these emotional disorders arise from the lack of self-love, not the exaggeration of self-love.
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God is Love
Love is Blind
Therefore God is Blind
Ray Charles is Blind
Therefore Ray Charles is God
And I called Ray, and he said that your ideas are a load of shit.
Mainly because,
A. You have no proof.
B. Ray never sent you any dreams.
C. Anyone who wants to hear Ray can buy his Cd's or Records for $10 at
Wal-Mart.
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God gives me all the self love I need. I don't trust myself. I trust Jesus.
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God gives me all the self love I need. I don't trust myself. I trust Jesus.
Doesn't sound like self-love to me. Personally, I trust my Christ-self.
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I don't trust myself.
Very obvious.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
Edited by Icelander (03/17/07 05:44 PM)
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Demotriton
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How can you Love other if you only love yourself?
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
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Who said anything about only loving myself godboy?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Silversoul
Holon
Registered: 01/01/05
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Loc: Mostly harmless
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Quote:
Demotriton said:
How can you Love other if you only love yourself?
How can you love others if you don't love yourself?
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fireworks_god
SexyButt McDanger
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Quote:
Silversoul said:
How can you love others if you don't love yourself?
*imagines Jewish rabbis saying "ahhh"* 
You know, like that episode of the Simpsons where Bart is posing questions back and forth with Krusty's father, the rabbi. 
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Demotriton
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Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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"Please my children come back to me before it is too late."
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fireworks_god
SexyButt McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 23,676
Loc: Red Panda Village
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,610
Loc: underbelly
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Quote:
Demotriton said:
"Please my children come back to me before it is too late."
Swami! You crazy trickster!
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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BlueCoyote
Beyond
Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 5,116
Loc: Between
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Love without trust is blind. Trust without love is blind.
veritas: Yeah, toxic self-love negates itself, so one can call it lack of self-love
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ShroomGoddess
Seeker
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Wow- I really enjoyed reading your list! A lot of that info was new to me.
I'm skeptical about all the predictions/lore surrounding Dec. 21, 2012. I don't think I'm buying it, but I confess I do sometimes have my weak moments where I start to think: well maybe...
But reading things like this reassures me that, A) I'm not crazy for thinking this is nothing more than a hyped-up conspiracy theory, and B) That there's other people out there keepin' their feet on the ground. Logic rocks!
Kudos for sharing this info with the community!
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"Something else I'm getting tired of in this country is all this stupid talk I have to listen to about children. That's all you hear about anymore, children: 'Help the children, save the children, protect the children.' You know what I say? Fuck the children!"
-George Carlin
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 67,610
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Anything I can do to help dispel human ignorance.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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