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j3ckyl
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Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies.
#6498932 - 01/26/07 10:39 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've always wondered why on acid and shrooms I was shown fractalesque patterns, self similar objects, etc. Then when I took DMT I was shown a perfect fractal infinite in depth and complexity, one I somehow recognised and it got me to thinking about this again. This is something i'd like to share with everyone here in the hopes of stimulating interesting conversation and gaining a better perspective on possible causes and theories.
This is a self-typed excerpt from a book called "writing on drugs" by Sadie Plant. When I read this for the first time it blew my mind to see this in print, something i'd always discussed with fellow trippers for hours on end. This is long but well worth the read, i've omitted one or two less relevant paragraphs and quotes here and there to cut it down in size.
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"There are compelling suggestions that many of the world's intricate, abstract, repeating patterns - from the colours and designs of the Persian carpets to the 'paisley' patterns of the Indian subcontinent - have some more or less direct connection with the intense colours and designs that can accompany the use of mescaline, cannabis, LSD, psilocybin, DMT and many other psychoactive substances, as well as a variety of trance-like states induced by sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation and fasting and, most commonly, some involuntary states of mind such as epilepsy and migraine. TO some extent, they can even be induced by the simple exertion of pressure on closed eyelids. Benoit Mandelbrot's famous series of self-similar fractal images, published in the 1970s, seemed to reveal the same patterns once again when they displayed precisely the sense of vertiginous travel through speeds, dimensions, spaces that so many drugs had rendered accessible and perceptible. Mandelbrot now seemed to have given such patterns a mathmatical formula which turned out to repeat itself in complex structures recurring throughout the natural world. 'One may well wonder why it has taken so long for these material effects to be recognised,' writes de Landa in 'Non-organic Life'. 'Of the many possible explanations, one undoubtedly deserves special mention: our "mathmatical technology" was simpy incapable of modelling self-organizing behaviour.' But it seems as though our chemical technologies have long been capable of rendering them perceptible.
The mathmatical precision with which these patterns recur with such perfect regularity on so many drugs, in so many cultures, at so many very different times and in such different brains, has led many drug users to explore the possibility that psychoactive substances were allowing them to perceive something of the workings of the brain itself. 'Innumerable scales. Infinite segmentation,' wrote Michaux in Infinite Turbulence, a book alive with mescaline's 'sparkling diamonds', and the 'fulgurations for microbes' which come 'rolling down upon me, towards me, loops, and infinite number of loops and twirls, twirls everywhere, intricately laced, lacework upon lacework, ceaselessly intertwined with yet more lacework, twisting and coiling, an infinity of ornaments for the sake of ornamentation.'
In Mescal, published in 1928, Heinrich Kluver suggeested that amid all the shocking variety of hallucinatory events, and for all the random chaos they were tacitly assumed to put on display, there were indeed recurring patterns of hallucination, universal geometric constants common to many drug-induced and other disturbed states of mind.
When Oliver Sacks pursued this research in the 1992 edition of Migraine, he also found that certain processes and patterns of hallucination recur with amazing regularity. Describing the spontaneous, involuntary and abstract hallucinations associated with the migraine aura, he wrote of 'spiderwebs, honeycombs, mosaics, networks, lattices' which creep across the visual field, forming a king of 'mosaic vision' in which:
"circles may spin, rotate into spirals, a spiral may deepen into a vortex, a large vortex may break up into little scrolls or eddies. The whole visual field - or sometimes half of it - may be taken over by a violent, complex turbulence, sweeping the perceived forms of objects into a sort of topological turmoil; straight edges of objects may be swept into curves, bits of scene magnified or distorted as if stretched on a rubber sheet."
The entire 'perceptual world, in such states, seems to run completely amok, everything moving and alive, in a state of gross distortion and peturbation. There may be a sense of winds and waves and eddies and swirls, of space itself - normally neutral, grainless, immobile and invisible - becoming a violent, intrusive, distortive field.' Sacks described complex lattices, geometric forms, elaborate polygonal networks which 'may grow visibly, sometimes with sudden jerks, "like frost on a windowpane", or "primitive plants". Sometimes there are radially symmetrical forms like flowers or pinecones, continually unfolding in a constant revelation of themselves. Or "maps","landscapes", pseudogeographies of great complexity, which constantly create themselves before the inward eye, enlarging endlessly in self similarity.'"
If you find the book, buy it, read it. But it definately seems that there is some connection with altered states and fractalesque consistencies spanning history, geography and culture and it goes back a long way. Thoughts anyone?
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notapillow
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: j3ckyl]
#6499357 - 01/26/07 12:39 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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a fractal is a fractal is a fractal is a fractal is a fractal is a......
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: notapillow]
#6499394 - 01/26/07 12:55 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I saw beutiful transparent fractals once while on mushrooms, they were on my carpet and moving.
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: stickyicky13]
#6499396 - 01/26/07 12:56 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wonder why fractals are often seen during a psychedelic trip?
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notapillow
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: stickyicky13]
#6499402 - 01/26/07 12:59 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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because they where already there to begin with.
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: notapillow]
#6499405 - 01/26/07 01:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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explain
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notapillow
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: stickyicky13]
#6499439 - 01/26/07 01:08 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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anything really is a fractal if you zoom in or out far enouf. the true nature of time and reality is not a line or a singel curve it is the fractal. all things in nature are constructed with fracal geometry. we are all part of one big all incompusing fractal.
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: notapillow]
#6499450 - 01/26/07 01:12 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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So then as this book implies are these drugs and states of mind tools to allow us to see or at least percieve the fractal nature of everything? Surely there must be some connection with being in a fractal and seeing fractals in these states, besides the obvious. The only way to simplify a fractal is look at it from further and further away.
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Isnt the war on drugs supposed to reduce harm? So far all i see are casualties.
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: j3ckyl]
#6499501 - 01/26/07 01:30 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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well some things do not apearer fractal in nature. for instance the Popsicle stick on my desk. but OnE must take into acoute that The Popsicle stick is simultaneously a part of infinite other fractals.
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: j3ckyl]
#6499547 - 01/26/07 01:41 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Reality is a self enveloping fractal. In every sense.
If you like fractals, you should look into the paradoxes of self reference, the phenomena of strange attractors, and the implications of chaos theory in the ontological reality of YOUR life.
The big question is: if reality is a fractal, what gives its strange attractors their potency? The four forces? The geometry of spacetime? Or is it something more subtle, like an eschaton, God, or something else related to a transcendent reality?
Oh, and, of course, you're part of the fractal itself. You are a part of everything, you are shaped by the larger forces in your environment to you fit into this world perfectly. Like a jigsaw piece, or the teeth of a zipper, you're seamlessly integrated into the whole (Holy).
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: Chesh]
#6499754 - 01/26/07 02:46 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Couldn't have said it better myself. excellent post 5     for you dude.
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"There are only two states of being: Too much and not enough"
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: j3ckyl]
#7288001 - 08/12/07 02:34 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately and then i finally realized the reason we all see fractals so often when we're tripping is that fractals are everywhere. In our normal consciousness they are filtered out by our ego, but whilst tripping we can recognize the fractals more easily and they can expand into larger more complex versions of what is in our field of vision almost constantly. There are so many examples of fractals in nature, our brain just filters them out because they are not inherently important to survival.
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Re: Altered States, Fractals and Consistencies. [Re: opensaysme]
#7288088 - 08/12/07 03:00 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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we see fractals because our eyes are drastically exploiting every little thing and when ur brain is trying to convert all this raw data into an image it goes through all these processes and everything is way more pronouced when your tripping, the dialated pupils play a big role in hallucinations. Fractals are very natural and many many animals and plants have them. Any reticulated animals has fractals on them, pythons, skates, turtles.

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