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 DIRTYMAN
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 Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: VampireSlayer]
#6466954 - 01/16/07 05:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pikashroom said:
Why is it that Psilocybin is illegal?
Because kids like you think that it's the cure for everything and end up hurting themselves.
Psychedelics aren't a cure all, they're a tool.
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 ExplosiveMango
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: DIRTYMAN]
#6467264 - 01/16/07 06:21 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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With all the people saying what is and isn't a CURE... I think it's important to remember what a condition like depression actually is.
Depression isn't some magical chemical mistake in your body. There is nothing "wrong" with a person who suffers from depression. People have had a wide range of emotional dispositions for as long as there were people. Would you consider suggesting a person who was unusually happy all the time should take pills to become less so?
Depression is a relatively new way of thinking about unhappiness. It's not a particularly well defined thing in a spiritual sense, it more has to do with the human brain as a machine. It takes for granted that as soon as emotions and neuro chemicals pass a certain imaginary, statistically defined line, something is wrong.
The thing to realize is this way of thinking is a mandatory part of being depressed. If you do not choose to take this simple- theoretical- model as 'true' you cannot be 'depressed'.
Conversely, by believing you are depressed, you gain neuro chemical inertia in your depressed states. You associate with the idea of depression and personalize it, often losing sight of the fact that it is really just a single point of view about how to categorize a human's mental health.
Psychedelics throw the doors of perception open, allowing you to understand yourself in terms that make sense to YOU- not just some chemist working for the pharmaceutical companies.
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MotorCityMadman
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6468880 - 01/17/07 08:51 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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EMango, on my scanners you show up as 'incorrect.'
The fact is that a large number of people do have chemical imbalances in their brains that, over time, can lead them to experience depressive episodes (which are distinctly different from just "feeling bad" about something bad that happens to you, for example) or chronic dysthymia. Oh, and low self-esteem because they're constantly wondering "what the fuck is wrong with me? I must be broken."
If someone is not getting sufficient serotonin on a long-term basis, don't you think that is going to affect their outlook on life? If there's, say, 5% of people who are chronically not getting their serotonin fix (as opposed to everyone else who presumably are feeling chemical pleasure when they go through their day-to-day lives) why do those people just have to tough it out?
The idea that "people have had a wide range of emotional dispositions for as long as there were people" doesn't mean we should just let life-threatening depression take someone's life, any more than we let people die from E. Coli infections just because it's always been around.
Until I started antidepressants, I had severe depressive episodes at least every four years (sometimes more often) since 5th grade. Food tastes like cardboard, don't want to get out of bed, see no point in existence, days run together indistinctly.
Since I started antidepressants (getting on 9 years now), I have had one moderate episode of depression.
Now, I'm not addressing the issue of whether these meds are over-prescribed, but as far as I'm concerned, I *like* chemists at pharmaceutical companies.
And to my friends out there who suffer from depression: don't allow this "they're out to get us" paranoid attitude to prevent you from seeking help. I'm not promising that you'll find a great therapist like I did, or that antidepressants will work as well for you as they have for me, but my understanding of the neurochemical effects of depression is that each depressive episode makes it more likely that you'll have another, more severe one.
There are a lot of people in the mental health profession who have great personal integrity and really want to (and can!) help people.
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sirbojangles
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: VampireSlayer]
#6469011 - 01/17/07 09:54 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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if the patient is monitored and comforted by his doctor who is friendly and helpful during a monthly trip.
it might work
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ExplosiveMango
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MotorCityMadman said:
EMango, on my scanners you show up as 'incorrect.'
The fact is that a large number of people do have chemical imbalances in their brains that, over time, can lead them to experience depressive episodes (which are distinctly different from just "feeling bad" about something bad that happens to you, for example) or chronic dysthymia. Oh, and low self-esteem because they're constantly wondering "what the fuck is wrong with me? I must be broken."
Sometimes people do have imbalanced neuro-chemicals to the point of impairment. I would know. For more than half of my life I have been "afflicted with depression". Clinically approved depression. It has been severe to the extent that I have lost jobs because of it, lost social status because of it, lost appetite and sleep for weeks because of it.
I have tried some of the wonderful pills they prescribe. Being high on drugs all the time was alright, sure they made me feel fairly numb all the time, and made me stop questioning trivial things like the meaning of life... (joke)
The thing about these pills, is the 'balance' they give you is fraudulent. Try leaving them.
The pills give you a greater neuro-chemical imbalance than you had before, effective as soon as you realize your brain can no longer "stand on its own".
Yes, some of us have spent long, long, long hours wondering "what the fuck is wrong with me?" and "why am I not just happier about life?". Yes it's inhibiting to be stuck places like this. Don't get me wrong, I suggest using medicine if you feel you cannot get out of the problem yourself.
I just don't suggest fooling yourself into believing SSRIs are medicine. They are a shallow high you can use to cover up your inadequacies, nothing more.
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If someone is not getting sufficient serotonin on a long-term basis, don't you think that is going to affect their outlook on life? If there's, say, 5% of people who are chronically not getting their serotonin fix (as opposed to everyone else who presumably are feeling chemical pleasure when they go through their day-to-day lives) why do those people just have to tough it out?
"Not getting sufficient serotonin"?
This is where we see how much hold this pharmacists' point of view really has.
Do you think SSRIs GIVE you serotonin?
(guess what? they don't, they inhibit your ability to produce it, they allow the brain to produce less and less, and still have adequate levels)
Do you think there is a 'hard limit' on the amount of serotonin you can produce naturally, just because you have dysthymia?
(guess what? there isn't... sure you'll get mentally tired the first few times you are happier than you're used to... but your brain will adapt)
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The idea that "people have had a wide range of emotional dispositions for as long as there were people" doesn't mean we should just let life-threatening depression take someone's life, any more than we let people die from E. Coli infections just because it's always been around.
Serotonin levels are not an infectious disease. They are a reflection of our emotional well-being, and a part of our internal balance. One which we may influence permanently through internal means.
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Until I started antidepressants, I had severe depressive episodes at least every four years (sometimes more often) since 5th grade. Food tastes like cardboard, don't want to get out of bed, see no point in existence, days run together indistinctly.
Since I started antidepressants (getting on 9 years now), I have had one moderate episode of depression.
Now, I'm not addressing the issue of whether these meds are over-prescribed, but as far as I'm concerned, I *like* chemists at pharmaceutical companies.
Yeah mine started in grade 4 or 5 as well... I have had at least 4 major depressive episodes every year since then, ending around a year ago. Major as in... to the extent that I could not move my body for lack of will to live.
I am not forcing myself into balance with chemicals however, I am allowing it through self-growth and self-improvement.
Psychedelics help, meditation helps, honesty and good intentions help.
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And to my friends out there who suffer from depression: don't allow this "they're out to get us" paranoid attitude to prevent you from seeking help. I'm not promising that you'll find a great therapist like I did, or that antidepressants will work as well for you as they have for me, but my understanding of the neurochemical effects of depression is that each depressive episode makes it more likely that you'll have another, more severe one.
We're talking about paranoia?
The stuff induced by intentional 'scare lines' like:
"each depressive episode makes it more likely that you'll have another, more severe one." (so you better take drugs I guess!)
I was brave enough to face my depression myself, and defeat it.
No paranoia here.
I wasn't afraid to try anti-depressants either...
I just also wasn't afraid to admit they did nothing to heal me...
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There are a lot of people in the mental health profession who have great personal integrity and really want to (and can!) help people.
Yes there are, and I intend to get there. I am just about to start my second degree, this one in neuro chemistry. Hopefully I will be able to kill off some of these old, worn out ideas, that keep people inhibited for their entire lives.
I know, the sad truth is some people will never be able to walk on their own. I think those people should have the option of using neuro-chemical crutches if that's what they really want. I just think they should have to recognize these drugs as such, rather than believe they are cured.
There are many paths to health. I personally do not think taking drugs unto death is one of them. It can be a helpful crutch to get people out of rough spots in times of weakness, but swallowing pills will just never be as good as growing personal strength.
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Know your source.
The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.
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matchbook
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#6469689 - 01/17/07 01:00 PM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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I took less than a gram of mushies once, and I didn't experience any psychedelia, but I had the most wonderful lucid state of happiness and embrace of positivity that lasted for 3 days.
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KimPeek
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: sadspacemonkey]
#8529220 - 06/16/08 07:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have to agree with sadspacemonkey, I personally have found psilocybin to be amazing therapy. I think more research should be done on it, because It may just be what people who are suffering from depression, social disorder, need to bring them some hope in life. I have found that low doses like 1 gram or half a gram have sharpened my mind and my understanding. It has also given me insight to the things that matter, like being able to look at your friends at the end of the day and tell them that you love them. Not in a gay way, but with a sincerity and understanding not to take life for granted. I cant even begin to share all the ways these mushrooms have helped me, even days after consuming I still feel sharper, energetic & confident . There is definitely something to mushrooms, they have been demonized by the government and the movements of the 60s & 70s. There is a real lack of understanding and respect for what these could do for people. There needs to be more research. 
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TheMushroomJesus
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MotorCityMadman said:
EMango, on my scanners you show up as 'incorrect.'
The fact is that a large number of people do have chemical imbalances in their brains that, over time, can lead them to experience depressive episodes (which are distinctly different from just "feeling bad" about something bad that happens to you, for example) or chronic dysthymia. Oh, and low self-esteem because they're constantly wondering "what the fuck is wrong with me? I must be broken."
If someone is not getting sufficient serotonin on a long-term basis, don't you think that is going to affect their outlook on life? If there's, say, 5% of people who are chronically not getting their serotonin fix (as opposed to everyone else who presumably are feeling chemical pleasure when they go through their day-to-day lives) why do those people just have to tough it out?
The idea that "people have had a wide range of emotional dispositions for as long as there were people" doesn't mean we should just let life-threatening depression take someone's life, any more than we let people die from E. Coli infections just because it's always been around.
Until I started antidepressants, I had severe depressive episodes at least every four years (sometimes more often) since 5th grade. Food tastes like cardboard, don't want to get out of bed, see no point in existence, days run together indistinctly.
Since I started antidepressants (getting on 9 years now), I have had one moderate episode of depression.
Now, I'm not addressing the issue of whether these meds are over-prescribed, but as far as I'm concerned, I *like* chemists at pharmaceutical companies.
And to my friends out there who suffer from depression: don't allow this "they're out to get us" paranoid attitude to prevent you from seeking help. I'm not promising that you'll find a great therapist like I did, or that antidepressants will work as well for you as they have for me, but my understanding of the neurochemical effects of depression is that each depressive episode makes it more likely that you'll have another, more severe one.
There are a lot of people in the mental health profession who have great personal integrity and really want to (and can!) help people.
I suggest you get off the anti-dep. You never needed them and you never will, you are just to lazy and weak to work through your underlying problems that make you feel the way you do.
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Once I rose above the noise and confusion, Just too get a glimpse beyond this illusion, I was soaring ever higher, But I flew too high; Though my eyes could see I still was a blind man;Though my mind could think I still was a mad man, I hear the voices when I'm dreaming
Masquerading as a man with a reason, My charade is the event of the season
And if I claim too be a wise man, well It surely means that I don't know
On a stormy sea of emotion, Tossed about I'm like a ship on the ocean
Carry on my wayward son, you will have peace when you are done
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theenigma
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: DIRTYMAN]
#15795672 - 02/11/12 11:02 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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DIRTYMAN said:
Psychedelics aren't a cure all, they're a tool.
Psychadelics force you to face these parts of the ego body and can be a powerful tool in conquering them if used correctly.
But in the case they were legal and given by prescription... this would be a recipe for disaster. The majority of people in this world have no business anywhere in or around the rabbit hole... 
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: theenigma]
#15801890 - 02/13/12 06:20 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I don't know whether psilocybin is a good thing to take in the middle of a serious depressive episode. But it really eliminates the sorts of everyday neurosis we all have for at least a little while. I feel reborn after even a very light trip. Also if you have a history of depression and take it while not depressed it might give you some insight. It might do that even if you are depressed, only you can tell whether it's a good idea to do that or not.
And while antidepressants are somewhat effective it's disturbing how many of you write off talk therapy. Changing your thought-patterns physically changes your bran. Neurogenesis without side effects. That's not to say they don't have a place sometimes but the goal should be to not have to take anything.
Edited by horus_92 (02/13/12 06:22 AM)
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: VampireSlayer]
#15802479 - 02/13/12 10:20 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I suggest you get off the anti-dep. You never needed them and you never will, you are just to lazy and weak to work through your underlying problems that make you feel the way you do.
Uh, dude, you're replying to a 5 year old post. Unlikely they'll read this...
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Sobercolober
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Re: Psilocybin as an antidepressant. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#15802610 - 02/13/12 11:04 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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I would go as far as to say a very small mushroom dose once very 2 weeks seems to have a positive effect for me. I take 10 liberty caps, I just feel mellow, slightly weird, creamy and smeary inside and out, a little tryptamine buzz, etc, no crazy visuals etc. Just feel everything is a bit more "real". No hangover and usually feel a bit more positive. It is a bit of an unpredictable drug though it has to be said. Responsible use is required.
If I do not feel like taking them, I simply don't and miss it for a while till I do fancy it.
Something to look forwards to and yes Psilocybin is a strange but beautiful drug.
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