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 mplshiphop
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 A Question about dreaming and the dream world... 
#6392769 - 12/21/06 02:47 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does anyone have any input or stories to tell about the idea that there is a dream world that our sleeping self inhabits, and does anyone believe that while we are sleeping we can communicate with other sleepers "spirit" on that plane??
the reason why I ask is I've been having very clear, very realistic feeling, strong dreams about certain people...as if we really are together in the dream...i wake up feeling as if we had just spent time together.
is it possibe that for some psychic reason...us both sleeping at the same time and thinking about each other in our subconscious simultaneously...that we could "be together" in the "astral sense" ...like connected thru a group spirit/mind or something...call each other up...
I dunno. anyone heard any myths or tales, or have a good stories to share?
I just wonder if i'm the only person who has asked this, or thought about it. I can't be.   
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 Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#6392873 - 12/21/06 03:58 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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It feels like you have spent time with the person because your brain, while in a dream, cannot distinguish between the dream world and reality. It can create memories that you still believe to be true when you wake, even if only for a few minutes. There is no special "connection" you have to others while dreaming other than the connection you share in the fantasy world created in the deep neural maze of your brain.
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 Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#6393065 - 12/21/06 09:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#6393252 - 12/21/06 10:49 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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In dreaming, your assemblage point moves around and is loosened from the position of ordinary reality. This takes place because of the release of DMT in our brain. This process allows us to control/interact with/and learn all different types of things depending on the directions we go with it.
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 Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#6393466 - 12/21/06 12:06 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dunno. anyone heard any myths or tales, or have a good stories to share?
I heard one, unconfirmed it is...
But, ...
Here it is; (As I recall.)
A man and a woman, both crafted in the arts of hypnotizing, ...
Hypnotized each-other, so that both were hypnotized to believe that they were on a beach...
In other words: They sat on two chairs, (for example,) facing each other. Then, simultaneously, they put each other in a trance...
I heard they stopped doing it, cause their experience of being on the beach, was just as real as the experience of 'sitting in the chairs' playing mind.games on each other...
And that freaked them out.
I myself lucid dream a lot, and have just as real experience there, as I do here, I even got a view, as solid as this one, from there to here, ...
We should should talk "a·wake" some time.
 
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#6394127 - 12/21/06 03:46 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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The idea of this was all that kept me going for a while.
Correlating the dreams i have had of certain others, i'd speculate that 'they' can appear in two forms. One can be a negatively influenced representation, created of the manna of your mind and the waking perspective of this person, other, and spirit. A dreaming illusion created by the solely by the self.
The other i guess i like to think fits with your perception.
That there is a certain level of communication between sleeping spirits, a plane accessible to varying degrees of lucidity, depending on the subtle interpallation of feeling, mind, spirit and sense.
Ive had varying levels of resonance with this notion, of the spiritual plane, as a kind of hazy grey garden where one could communicate...
Some were most convincing of this plane as a kind of semi-symbiotic apertif to waking reality.
Personal stuff.
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: Jackenobi]
#6394148 - 12/21/06 03:58 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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well thanks for all the input everybody.
for the "It's not possibles"
I know that's what most people believe, and that's ok, I am jut curious about what other people think.
a friend told me that native americans have myths about this sort of thing so I was hoping they would come to light...
thanks for the input everybody!!
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#6394180 - 12/21/06 04:08 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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i like the idea of calling it a myth
by It i mean Phenomenom by phenomenom i mean... um... tripped out shit. dreamworks, strange fascination and soul love. possibly.
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: Jackenobi]
#6395478 - 12/22/06 12:22 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know what you mean. I practice lucid dreaming but once I had a dream that felt even more real than a lucid dream - I was in my backyard of my old house and a friend shows up from the side of the house and he has this look on his face that's just like "yep, I found a way to get into your dream".
I started asking him questions like "how is this possible" and my friend, who was the exact same in the dream as in real life (literally exactly the same in all manerisms, apperances and vibrations), said "I created this". I was completely lucid during this and I was propelled into a state of bliss as I knew that the usual limitions of reality had been broken and we had actually met in the dream world. It was indeed a very profound and magical experience.
However, I talked to my friend later and he didn't have the same experience, so... it's an interesting experience. The mind can be extremely powerful in the dream world.
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 Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#6395642 - 12/22/06 01:20 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks.
maybe he doesn't remember...
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#6396386 - 12/22/06 11:20 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tripping together and having the same ”trip”-visions, could also be comparable to dreaming together, …
Dreaming while awake, as opposed to dreaming when asleep.
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: Gomp]
#6415382 - 01/01/07 01:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe it's possible.
Why not?
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Where the dark lord reigns!
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: GrimTroll]
#6416970 - 01/02/07 12:58 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe anything is possible.
Who can say that it truly is not possible? Nothing we know is concrete except for abstract crap like math. I do not think we know enough about the dream world or dream state to even comment. I know I have been shooting for lucid dreams, I have been remembering a lot more, but I don't think they have been lucid.
This sort of correlates to Astral Projection. There are supposed to be planes where people can meet etc. I don't know I am not versed in those topics. I just know some brief summaries of ideas, no experiences though.
I believe in the cosmic consciousness from which each of us stems and is a part of. Connecting to it connects us to everything else.
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: ck10n3]
#6423700 - 01/04/07 03:33 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is real to you is real to all...
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"And this is apparently who we each are. We are a little bit of eternity sticking into three dimensional space, and for some reason occupying time in a monkey-body" - T. McKenna
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 Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#6476740 - 01/19/07 04:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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cowabunga_dude said:
I know what you mean. I practice lucid dreaming but once I had a dream that felt even more real than a lucid dream - I was in my backyard of my old house and a friend shows up from the side of the house and he has this look on his face that's just like "yep, I found a way to get into your dream".
I started asking him questions like "how is this possible" and my friend, who was the exact same in the dream as in real life (literally exactly the same in all manerisms, apperances and vibrations), said "I created this". I was completely lucid during this and I was propelled into a state of bliss as I knew that the usual limitions of reality had been broken and we had actually met in the dream world. It was indeed a very profound and magical experience.
However, I talked to my friend later and he didn't have the same experience, so... it's an interesting experience. The mind can be extremely powerful in the dream world.
haha same thing happened to me..
I was talking with 3 of my friends and I asked them how it felt to
be a dream character in my dream, and they said "you're a dream character in my dream" We looked each other in the eyes and it felt like we saw eachother, breaking through all barriers. It felt realer than reality.
-->In another dream I asked a stranger a similar question. I asked
Are you a figment of my imagination? She looked at me with a
panicked look on her face and shook her head slurringly, confused,
As she shook her face back and forth her facial features became
blurred, filling me at first with awe and then with a deep fear
This deep fear could've been caused by having a strong connection to this stranger and her vibes coming from this strange dreamer's confusion when asked if she was the figment of a dream charachter's imagination in HER DREAM !
..or it could've been because her blurring face looked like it came out of a horror movie hahaha
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: mplshiphop]
#16158061 - 04/30/12 01:45 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Hey this is an interesting subject..and since reading the two big books by Daniel Pinchbeck(breaking open the head and 2012), he has a lot of good stuff on the possiblities of the subconscious, jungian collective unconscious. also a good read is doors of perception....but all of these books got me to paying more attention to my dreams over the past few months.
Last night I had a dream where I was screaming and ranting the whole time at someone I used to be friends witht hat has turned into a real asshole over the years, and I have since cut off ties to them(many months, even over a year ago, now that i think about it). but int he dream i had last nite, i was just ranting angerly at them, and it was as though they were there in my dream, and I was just letting the person know how i feel
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maybe the "real world" and the "dream world" are both simulations. the only thing that seems to make it real is the experience of being involved in such an experience. if you go back to descartes and his wild idea of an "evil deceiver" that runs the universal experience for all minds involved, then there is really no telling whether the "dream world" or the "real world" are any different than one another, or that either have any basis in "real", quantitative reality. you could just be a brain being manipulated by some computer or something, made to believe that the real world and the dream world are seperate, yet two sides of the same imaginary coin. next time you have a dream involving someone in particular get in contact with them and ask them if they experienced the same scenario. i'm pretty much wholly convinced that descarte's "evil deceiver" is just some higher dimensional simulacrum that certain select individuals had access to, be them vishnu or Christ or buddha or any of the sort. i too have had a number of dreams that appear to me as real and that try to impress upon me that they're real when they turn out to be nothing more than my subconscious mind creating metaphors for what happened to me during the waking day. ie, i think about something during my day and then when i sleep everything that i've thought about seems to manifest themselves as a "real" experience when in fact i have no means of telling what is just "random activity while in REM" or actual memories or realities that i've either forgotten about or was never allowed to remember. lately i've experienced my dreams having direct synchronistic parallels with the waking life, so i see "dream world" and "real world" as a coin being flipped by someone or something far beyond me. if my dreams are true than i've died a bunch of times already, met a ton of famous people, been harrased, been loved and been startled by all kinds of mental figments. i say they're both fake or both real, and the cartesian "evil deceiver" seems to makes sense to me because lately i've experienced nothing but unrest and nightmare in my dream state. not to say it will always be as such but the dream characters and negative figures sure love to play pretend that they will
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: whatsgrimace]
#16160308 - 04/30/12 03:17 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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essentially i'm a solipsist and the real world often feels just as fake as the dream world. i suppose there might be a world that's "more real" than either. lately it seems that such a world is a bit sinsister, ie cartesian deceiver, because if the real and dream worlds are both just fake and full of metaphor than there must be some sort of "reality" that causes both, be it a trip that you just think you came down from or a deceptive computer simulation that someone you trusted handed you over to sometime in the past
it's a bit of a horrifying concept but just for the sake of discussion what if reality was a bit like this:
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: whatsgrimace]
#16162683 - 04/30/12 10:43 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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a book called lucid dreaming gateway to the inner self talks about some of what you bring up.
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Re: A Question about dreaming and the dream world... [Re: Goose]
#16162701 - 04/30/12 10:47 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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