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shirley's first extraction : partial success (extract potent, but corpse still potent too)
    #6194866 - 10/21/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

okay, so my starting place was this thread in advanced cultivation forum (though we really need a consensus on where extraction threads belong): link

and this is my first time, so be gentle with me.

ok, ready to go - powder to extract, solvent, pyrex bowl/saucepan doubleboiler, and filtration kit.



my friend flat eric's gonna use 50g of powder and has 1 litre of 72% solvent available (700ml of 63% rum topped up to a litre with 300ml of ~98% ethanol). he plans a two-pass extraction, he's intending to make a perfume/tincture - his powder is a legal concoction of powdered medicinal shrooms (shiitake, maitake and reishi) for arthritis treatment. eric's joints are really floppy.

he was also wondering how small a volume he could realistically hope to get his 50g extracted into - he doesn't have any problems with creating perfume crystals, in fact he reckons this would be a blast. i think he'd like to create a small pile of crystals for experimentation and a nice tincture to eyedrop onto sugar cubes - he's funny like that.

so .... here we go

Edited by shirley knott (11/10/06 09:05 PM)

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6194933 - 10/21/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

two passes - gunk was extracted in simmering ethanol for 30 minutes each pass, and filtered while hot:




for some reason, when i combined the two translucent extracts, the result was opaque - something was precipitated at this stage. i filtered it to take a look, then put it back in:


Edited by shirley knott (10/22/06 10:49 AM)

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6197140 - 10/22/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm really looking forward to seeing the results. please continue.

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: MADPANTSDOME]
    #6197157 - 10/22/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Nice job shirley. I'm planning a similar extraction soon so your results are most interesting.

So this is really shiitake, maitake and reishi.?, Sure.:uptosomething:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6197165 - 10/22/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

this is my final product:



so what is the orange goop at the bottom of the jar - magic or crap?
can i now safely throw away the wet powder?
how small a volume do you think i can reduce this ~400ml to?
how many mg of psilocybin / psilocyn should have been present in this 50g dry powder?

help pls.


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6197246 - 10/22/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

-so what is the orange goop at the bottom of the jar - magic or crap?

First I'm no expert but I'm no novice either, so you might want to wait until someone else posts.

The stuff at the bottom is probably ultra fine particles of "crap" that the filtration setup didn't stop. I think.
What was its consistency when you had it separated from the rest.?

--can i now safely throw away the wet powder?

If it were me I would do another extract on the leftover pile with half as much alcohol then you used on the first run. just to be sure I got it all.
Then add the fractions together & let it sit for a for a while.
If there is crap at the bottom that is clearly not precipitates & is more like a layer of mud I would remove this.

All active ingredients should be held in suspension unless the solvent has been saturated in which case they will precipitate.

as for the last two I am unsure. But here I go anyway.

-how small a volume do you think i can reduce this ~400ml to?

reducing it is a question of how potent you want the brew & how much the solvent will hold before making precipitates.

I would reduce to the point where the solvent wont hold any more & it starts to drop out, Then add a few ml of alcohol to keep it in suspension.

-how many mg of psilocybin / psilocyn should have been present in this 50g dry powder?

assuming you have all the goodies.
there is approximately 0.80% psilocybin and 0.70% psilocin per gram in dried shrooms

50 dry gram should have in them +/-  400mg psilocybin & 350mg psilocin, 50 gram devided into 400ml at the moment you have 0.125g of mushroom per ml there.

.80/100x0.125=0.001
so there is 0.001 mg of psilocybin per ml

.70/100x0.125=0.000875
& 0.0008 mg of psilocin per ml.

Oral Psilocybin Dosages
Threshold...2 - 4 mg
Light...........4 - 8 mg
Common.. 6 - 20 mg
Strong....20 - 30 mg
Heavy ........40 + mg


Hope this helps. :grin:
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I'm just waiting for someone to tell me I got all the numbers wrong.
I failed maths.:shiftyeyes:

Edited by UnderNose (11/05/06 09:48 AM)

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6197686 - 10/22/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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there is approximately .80% psilocybin and .70% psilocin per gram in dried shrooms

50 dry gram should have in them +/- .40mg psilocybin & .35mg psilocin



surely you mean 400 and 350mg, or 0.4 and 0.35g respectively. 50g is ten good trips, which sorta correlates to 14 'heavy trip' doses in your recipe.

so if i could get it down to 50ml, i'd be pretty happy with that - 1ml per dry gram, approximating to 8mg psilocybin and 7mg psilocin per ml.

does that sound right?

but first i need to understand whether that precipitate was a good or a bad thing to happen.


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6198367 - 10/22/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

but i know a way to find out.. ... 



.... it's taste-testing time  :smile:

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6198493 - 10/22/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

can i now safely throw away the wet powder?

The most reliable test for indol's derivatives it's color reaction with Ehrlich's or Kovacha's reactant.(5-6$)


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6200366 - 10/23/06 01:26 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I meant 400mg & 350mg or .40g & .35g. Thanks I would have overlooked that.

Those dam zeros & points in the wrong place.
If I worked at NASA I would have just course corrected someone into deep space
If you had of dosed with my info you would have been hurled into deep space.:scrambled:

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if i could get it down to 50ml, I'd be pretty happy with that - 1ml per dry gram, approximating to 8mg psilocybin and 7mg psilocin per ml.
does that sound right?





That sounds right, depends if the solvent will hold 1g per ml.
And most of the psilocin has probably

So how was the mushroom mud.
I remember trying some tar from the bottom of a extraction, Man did that shit taste bad, Concentrated mushroom tar / oil.:projectile:
I am fairly sure that this is ultra fine sediment not precipitate.

Where are all the "EXPERTS" !!
I'm sure they would know more about this stuff
More knowledge & experience. 
I feel like I'm in over my head :crazy:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6200882 - 10/23/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I remember RR said something about crystals forming at the bottom and that they are inactive salts.

Edited by MADPANTSDOME (10/23/06 07:56 AM)

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6202012 - 10/23/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

taste-test data just in: test negative, no magic in the goop.

so the next move is to filter my liquid to clarify it.
i'm not sure if i'll do a third pass extraction, probably not.
so i'll be left with ~400ml of string ethanolic tincture, for reduction in a double boiler.


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6202204 - 10/23/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

shirley knott make please a photo of that place in which you stack filters.... Write about procedure of installation of filters to a ceramic cup more in detail?
I need what to buy professional filters because I do not want that the elixir was similar on color to dung.

Now I cannot understand as under a mushroom mix must be create the zone of the lowered pressure when working a pomp...air can act in those places where the filter not so densely adjoins to a porcelain cup.

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6202370 - 10/23/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)



you squeeze the handpump to create a temporary vacuum - it sucks the liquid through as you pump. it's from ebay - look, here's one:  clicky


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    #6202576 - 10/23/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I have understood thanks

Why MADPANTSDOME writes: crystals forming at the bottom and that they are inactive salts.

On pf-tek this salt - psylocibin, isn't it.

MADPANTSDOME it was not necessary to confuse ideas...I shall get confused by myself :^)


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6202717 - 10/23/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nice venus fly trap


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6202929 - 10/23/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Why MADPANTSDOME writes: crystals forming at the bottom and that they are inactive salts.

On pf-tek this salt - psilocybin, isn't it.

MADPANTSDOME it was not necessary to confuse ideas...I shall get confused by myself :^)




Um Ive never done an extraction I can say for sure. I read abit about it and am going to soon. Im not even going to try to explain I have just read somewhere that if you go to the point where crystals form at the bottom you have gone to far. THe crystals are inactive salts and the psilocin and psilocybin do sink but are still in the liquid.

Psilocybin (also known as psilocybine), is a psychedelic alkaloid of the tryptamine family --alkaloid--
Psilocin, is a psychedelic (hallucinogenic) mushroom ---alkaloid---

psilocin is the actual pharmacologically active compound. Psilocybin is converted into psilocin in the body.
im just saying its an alkaloid and I bet you didnt know the things above.

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: MADPANTSDOME]
    #6204914 - 10/24/06 01:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I hope that the Professor Fanaticus knew about what he wrote. It writes that molecules of psilocybine/psilocin cooling down incorporate in crystals. This can be believed if to take into account that these substances are not dissolved in 190 proofs, isn't it?

Give please the link to a topic in which it is spoken that it is inactive salts, if you remember where this theme is?

What all to check up, it is necessary to drain in through a needle of a syringe of a few{a little;little bit} crystals in a syringe and to pour out in a quantity of ethanol. Then to break into fractions (crystals - separately, 190 proofs - separately) and to execute check by a Keller's reactant.

Or simply some times to replace ethanol for initial quantity of crystals(then to assert some time in a refrigerator and again to change ethanol, so to not merge a crystal).... That there would be only crystals in clean ethanol. It is necessary to use cold ethanol (from a refrigerator) for that experiment would be correct (psilocybine/psilocin should not be dissolved again in ethanol up to not seen molecules)

p\s\I believe that the Professor Fanaticus has executed this simple experiment before to name result Crystals of Gods (or the Greatest Opening since pf-tek times with rice).....Otherwise it should be named the greatest deceit since same times : )

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6205053 - 10/24/06 03:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

shirley knott said:
his powder is a legal concoction of powdered medicinal shrooms (shiitake, maitake and reishi) for arthritis treatment.




Quote:

shirley knott said:
how many mg of psilocybin / psilocyn should have been present in this 50g dry powder?





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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: ohmatic]
    #6205340 - 10/24/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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    #6206579 - 10/24/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i got you before you even started this thread :smirk:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: ohmatic]
    #6209508 - 10/25/06 03:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Prompt please temperature at which breaks up psylocibin and pcylocin?

Now I have the inconsistent data: one write that it occurs at 70'C and others that at 80'C.

Temperature of boiling of ethanol (78,4°C)

That you think in this occasion?(Probably we kill the substances necessary to us)


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6209512 - 10/25/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Any info like this can be found here http://www.erowid.org/

NAME : Psilocybin
CHEMICAL NAME : 3-[2-(Dimethylamino)ethyl]-1H-indol-4-ol dihydrogen phosphate ester 
ALTERNATE CHEMICAL NAMES : O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine; Indocybin
CHEMICAL FORMULA C12H17N2O4P
MOLECULAR WEIGHT 284.25
MELTING POINT 220-228° C (Crystals from boiling water)
MELTING POINT 185-195° C (Crystals from methanol)
pH 5.2 (in 50% aq ethanol)
LD50 285 mg/kg i.v.(mice)
LD50 280 mg/kg i.v. (rats)
LD50 12.5 mg/kg i.v.(rabbits)



NAME : Psilocin
CHEMICAL NAME : 3-[2-(Dimethylamino)ethyl]-1H-indol-4-ol
ALTERNATE CHEMICAL NAMES : 4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine; psilocyn
CHEMICAL FORMULA C12H16N2O
MOLECULAR WEIGHT 204.27
MELTING POINT 173-176° C (plates from methanol)

There is some debate at what temperature Psilocybin starts to get damaged.
Some say over 60*C.:shrug:

But if you have pure Psilocybin it should be stable up to the melting point.
And even then it should still be active.

From ask erowid
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Q: Do high temperatures, such as boiling water, truly degrade psilocybin/psilocin? If so, at what temperature does degradation occur?


A: Psilocybin and psilocin are sensitive to oxidation, with psilocin being particularly sensitive. This process is accelerated at higher temperatures. There is no specific temperature at which this breakdown occurs, however, the longer you expose the psiloc(yb)in to a raised temperature (in the presence of oxygen or an oxidizer), the more will be degraded.

To my knowledge, there has been no study or report of anyone quantifying the amount of degradation at various temperatures. Qualitative reports however seem to indicate that less than an hour of boiling or steeping seems to have little to no effect on the potency of psiloc(yb)in water solution.

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Thread hijack over.
Sorry shirly.:grin:

So how are things going with your extraction.??


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6210664 - 10/25/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the information... It gives a two-multiple stock for heating these substances. Probably the basic danger will be, that at boiling solvent there is an active interaction of these molecules to oxygen... It is them strongly oxidizes. I can draw a conclusion which itself then I shall try: to cook a mushroom powder in the 190 proof pair solvent follows in a flask, which has valve for release(or small aperture in a cover). It seems to me what it must to increase efficiency of extraction.

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6210997 - 10/25/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup: sounds good to me


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6214422 - 10/26/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

okay, phase I was the first extraction, phase II was the second


phase III was ascertaining that the sediment was worthless, then removing it.


ok, last night was phase IV, reducing until sediment appears:



   

this sediment looks to me like something i don't want - it looks like pigments and oily crap. what do you guys think? seems to me that phase V needs to be another repeat of phase III, a filtration/bioassay.

input me some brainwave activity  :laugh: :crazy2:


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    #6214561 - 10/26/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

phase V: filtered twice, sediments combined and bioassayed.




tasted like chocolate


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    #6214812 - 10/26/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

And why all such chocolate... It is mushroom slime or your personal recipe? : )

You can put some laboratory filters one on another(different micron)...probably it will help to receive a white solution as from the professor(it seems he wrote that cooked two times)


It seems to me that it is necessary to think over more competently process of filtering (for example all over again to make all through the average filter, then through the fineest.... It seems to me that the chocolate swill proceeds not through cells of the filter and near it(filtering under the filter)


The swill looks very appetizing : )......nasty chocolate : )


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6214883 - 10/26/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

second taste-test data just in: test negative, no magic in the latest goop.
so the next move is again to filter my liquid to clarify it.




i'll be left with ~70ml of dirty-looking ethanolic extract.
where next to improve my product?


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: shirley knott]
    #6215888 - 10/26/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Thats a hard one for me to help with as thats about as far as I ever got with a basic extraction.
You did a good job of filtering, Leaving it to make sediments for a week or so before you reduced it could have cleared it up a little more.

What do you mean by "improve your product".

As you stand you should have a potent brew.
But there are factors that are going to determine just how potent.

The dephosphorylation of Psilocybin to Psilocin.
The natural breaking down of the two actives within the solution especially the Psilocin. caused by oxidation, Heat.


Mind me asking what strain of shroom you are using there.:mushroom2:


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: UnderNose]
    #6216640 - 10/27/06 03:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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As you stand you should have a potent brew.




just what im thinking, you always test the goo, whatabout the liquid ?


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt [Re: ohmatic]
    #6217568 - 10/27/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i'm trying to make a potent tincture, but i'm not ready to trip during the preparation. therefore i test what i assume is junk, so i can filter and so clean my product. so long as any precipitate is goo rather than something apparently crystalline, i intend to keep reducing and filtering as far as i can go.

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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt: phase IV [Re: shirley knott]
    #6217957 - 10/27/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

okay, the product was decanted into a new bottle, and all in-betweens rinsed with strong rum. the sediment (thought to be inactive) seems to rise like clouds when the bottle was opened and placed on a radiator to evaporate. as the liquid is heated underneath, swathes of goop surface like spawning whales. look:



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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt: phase IV [Re: shirley knott]
    #6220680 - 10/28/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

sediment filtered, now it's clear.


the final phase is now underway, a nice low-tech one - the lid is off, and the bottle is sitting on a radiator. i'm checking every few hours for any crystallisation or new sediments, and have marked the level on the glass, so i can check on progress.



as i thought, there's once again some mud dropping out of solution as it reduces, so i'll be repeatedly bioassaying the solute, and keeping the solvent, until such time as a 10% mud sample ticks some boxes. i also need to do a bioassay of the liquid at some point, just in case all i've got left is dirty water and ethanol
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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt: phase IV [Re: shirley knott]
    #6222859 - 10/29/06 05:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That stuff swimming around in the rum is weird. What are you going to do with that?

You have done a good job removing the alleged "crap".
When are you planning to test the liquid.?


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt: phase IV [Re: UnderNose]
    #6225966 - 10/30/06 04:16 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

to me very interestingly how many person can try it simultaneously (as I have noticed, you began from a bucket of a powder)


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt: phase IV [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6242904 - 11/03/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Whats going on shirley.

Did you drink it all & can't go near your computer.

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    #6246787 - 11/04/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I am worrying too
In a jar wasn't a little


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Re: shirley's first extraction attempt: phase IV [Re: deeptraveller]
    #6247751 - 11/04/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

be cool, daddio  :cool:



reduced to 50ml.
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    #6248586 - 11/04/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Hope you are/were enjoying your trip :cool:.
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Re: Shirley's first extraction attempt: Phase IV [Re: AuroricDistortions]
    #6249275 - 11/05/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

hmm, well there was something there, but certainly not 5g worth so i'm afraid this has to go down as a failed experiment.

i'll chug 15ml later to see what happens.


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Re: Shirley's first extraction attempt: Phase IV [Re: shirley knott]
    #6249605 - 11/05/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You have to remember some of the psilocybin dephosphorylated into psilocin.
Also that the most of the psilocin was oxidized by the solvent, heat & the air.

so you have to expect a potency loss.


Heres my theory on low tek extraction.

Few Fresh grams is for eating.
semi-bulk is for drying & eating
Big time Bulk is for extracting, Maybe

A friend of mine will be giving it a shot soon with a 10g sample batch just to get it right, then a 100g big daddy.

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Re: Shirley's first extraction attempt: Phase IV [Re: UnderNose]
    #6250181 - 11/05/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

shirley knott I am glad to see you

very interestingly, how many the potential is latent in these mysterious 5ml


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    #6250291 - 11/05/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

well 15ml sure did the trick  :wineswim:



:pirate:  :teleport:  :scrambled:  :zoom:

so i finished my potion - that last 30ml looks pretty tasty for next time  :crazy2:


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Re: Shirley's first extraction: potion complete [Re: shirley knott]
    #6252259 - 11/06/06 01:20 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

:congrats:, Nice work. Was the trip different compared to eating shrooms.?

:toomuchacid:Hay, your mood changed from stoned to tripping. :toomuchacid:
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What the hell is that snake wine with a scorpion in it for.
It says USAGE & DOSAGE on it. :what:

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Re: Shirley's first extraction: potion complete [Re: UnderNose]
    #6252341 - 11/06/06 02:28 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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:toomuchacid:Hay, your mood changed from stoned to tripping. :toomuchacid:




:rofl:

Isnt the shroomery even better then TV? You should have seen the look on my face when it changed from the old 'yellow-brown' theme colours to the 'ice-blue' - I happened to be tripping balls when I signed in and I almost fell out of my chair...  :smile: :smile:

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Re: Shirley's first extraction: potion complete [Re: UnderNose]
    #6269260 - 11/10/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

the trip was the same as always, ie. absolutely wonderful. i :heartpump: mushrooms  :laugh:

sorry to drag this on, people, but one last experiment came to mind that seems necessary for conclusion. my original powder needs to be bioassayed. the original 50g dry is now 31.5g dry:



originally 50g (2 years old) was a good 5 strong trips, even allowing for time degradation. in the end, it seems that my 50ml represents 2-3 strong trips.

to give some estimate of the %age magic retained, i need to estimate the total magic content left in the powder. taking the brave approach, i'm trying for as much of the full 31.5g as i can get down, as a bioassay, served as a totally inedible lump of mud. so far it's proving impossible to get down. will report updates as i can.


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Re: Shirley's first extraction: potion complete [Re: shirley knott]
    #6269501 - 11/10/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

wowwwwwww.
your gonna eat over an ounce of powder?
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Re: Shirley's first extraction: partial success only [Re: blacksun]
    #6270012 - 11/10/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

...hours later.......


lblbllblblblblblblllllalaalalalalalallldflfldfdfdfkdlfdl;fslefsfseflslslsllllllaaaaaalalal  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :thumbup: :crazy2: :thumbup: :thumbup: :crazy2: :crazy2: :thumbup: :crazy2: :thumbup:

and i only managed to eat about a third or so of it. fuck me. it's still laden with the goodies and it knocked me on my ass.

god bless em, godda love da mush, they fuck'n great  :tongue:  :shocked: :laugh: :thumbup: :thumbup:


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    #6270240 - 11/10/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

So it didnt extract much at all in the end?

Very interesting, thats an awesome addition to the experiment and kudos for being able to eat all that shit!

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    #6274181 - 11/12/06 02:22 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

over 30g of powder,  :mushroom2::runaway::mushroom2: Thats nuts. Are you OK.

:lol:
I suggested at the start of the post to do another run on the powder.

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can i now safely throw away the wet powder?
help pls.


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If it were me I would do another extract on the leftover pile with half as much alcohol then you used on the first run. just to be sure I got it all.
Then add the fractions together & let it sit for a for a while.
If there is crap at the bottom that is clearly not precipitates & is more like a layer of mud I would remove this.

All active ingredients should be held in suspension unless the solvent has been saturated in which case they will precipitate.





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Re: shirley's first extraction : partial success (extract potent, but corpse still potent too) [Re: shirley knott]
    #9702966 - 01/29/09 10:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

wow


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Re: shirley's first extraction : partial success (extract potent, but corpse still potent too) [Re: 4 ho cultivar]
    #10359564 - 05/18/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

the brown mush shit you collected.. sticky, wasnt it?

- the sugars from the rum.

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    #10368528 - 05/20/09 07:46 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: shirley's first extraction : partial success (extract potent, but corpse still potent too) [Re: meehi]
    #16344652 - 06/07/12 03:50 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

you must use 1 gram of powder to 5ml of ethanol
you cannot use 1 gram of powder to 50ml of ethanol

shulgin states:
"This alkaloid is reasonably soluble in boiling water from which it can be nicely crystallized. It is less soluble in boiling methanol, and almost insoluble in boiling ethanol."

boil the powder with ethanol in a water bath (80degC), then remove.
immediately filter out the powder.
let it cool, or put it in the freezer until cold,
then filter out the crystals.

it works the same way as cold-water codeine extractions
it exploits the solubility of compounds in different temperatures (psilocbyin is less soluble in ethanol when cold).
the mushrooms dry to 8% of their former mass, concentrating the alkaloid. Powdering then aids solubility and enables less ethanol to be used.

Afterwards, keep the ethanol and the powder.
They are both still full of psilocybin. The psilocybin which didn't crystalise.
Add the powder to honey to preserve and diguise it.
Fan evaporate the alcohol in a shallow wide glass dish.
Ideally, you will only use a small amount of alcohol (30-60ml) and evaporation will be done overnight.
However, it may also be wasteful, since the psilocybin may evaporate with the alcohol. I don't know.
Try half a matchead of the goo or crystals first. Typically this will be full of fats and crap, but it should be concentrated anyway.
I would also add this to a small vial of honey to help preserve it.
If the honey begins to spoil, add sugar until it becomes solid.

Dry the pure filtered crystal under fan, then crush.
keep in a black container.
take out half a matchead and snort.
or add to a small bottle of eyedropper and drop on the eye.
this will increase the effect by 20-50% (losses typical through the digestive system)
eye or nasal consumption is probably more effective than sublingual, since sublingual can be unreliable and saliva is basic.


another myth cracked:

psilocybin is a stable compound to oxidisation.
it is psilocin which isn't.
it is not as fragile as LSD, mushrooms over 10 years old barely lose potency, they also remain 50% as potent in 100 years.

another myth cracked:
you cannot smoke psilocybin because it cannot be freebased
like LSD it is a zwitterion, meaning it has both a negative and positive charge which balances itself out and refuses basicity.
freebasing reduces the melting point, so it turns to vapor and smoke at less than 100degC.
If it is not freebased, it turns to vapor and smoke at well over 130degC. This is higher than any alkaloid can tolerate. All alkaloids die over 100degC.
Psilocybin is not different from any other alkaloid in it's melting point.
DMT and other tryptamines which are not zwitterions must be freebased to reduce their melting point. When they are only weakly basic (less than pH 11) or acidic, their melting point is also over 130degC.
This is why native cultures where they take alkaloids tend to chew, snuff or boil them with ash.
Ash is naturally basic and freebases the alkaloid.
Ash is where lye comes from.

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Re: shirley's first extraction : partial success (extract potent, but corpse still potent too) [Re: cyb3rpagan]
    #25577719 - 10/29/18 11:30 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

See..no ones ever replyed 6 years later...full of informations this last post the guy himself hasnt been seen in the last 5 years ...

Well thats all folks

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