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yageman said:
Nah, you can help "ego death" along.  Try meditation?

There are ways to consciously induce ego death.

  Sensory deprivation is another way to help.

  A dark room in silence helps.

  So my point is, just because you intend on acheiving any degree of ego-loss, doesnt mean your not going to get there.

Alot of what has been said is misleading.

  In the same way that we can fight ego loss, we can get there more easily aswell.  You could say one can "induce" ego-loss......

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I agree with what you said, disagreeing with what I said   I think I was just a little too strong with my explanations.

What I meant was that, someone who has never spent a moment looking inside themself, trying to better themselves and not be under the control of the mind and emotions, etc, is going to have a hard time achieving ego death.  It's not something that's like "the higher a dose I take, the more likely I'll get it".  My first ego death experience could have occurred on one hit of acid, but I fought it because I was scared.  7 months later, it finally happened without any drugs since that time.  It happened with meditation, because throughout that time I had grown enough to "induce" it that way.  So yes, it is inducable, but it's not like you can just hear about ego death and be like "I think i'll try that, how do I do it?".  Not saying that that is the case of the thread maker...eh, you know what i mean!

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yageman said:
Nah, you can help "ego death" along. Try meditation?

There are ways to consciously induce ego death.

Sensory deprivation is another way to help.

A dark room in silence helps.

So my point is, just because you intend on acheiving any degree of ego-loss, doesnt mean your not going to get there.

Alot of what has been said is misleading.

In the same way that we can fight ego loss, we can get there more easily aswell. You could say one can "induce" ego-loss......

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ShroominFL said:
Basically you revert back to an infantile state doing whatever you want not knowing the consequences. After you start to come down and your ego returns its almost if "the parents" got home and you have to face reality again. While in ego loss though i could barley move i had the motor reflexes and grasping ability of a toddler. However, for the most part i was in a visual sea going and doing whatever i wanted inside my own head.

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georg said:
try searching the net for "holotropic breathwork"

I stumbled upon a book by the author of the technique and it seems that the technique enables similar states to psychedelics without any substances, but by overflooding your system with oxygen and a set environment.

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Lysergic_Milkman said:
I understand where you are coming from on this, and you are not alone.

(DISCLAIMER: the information below is drawn from the personal experiences of a seasoned tripper, not from facts or statistics.)

The more you trip, the less sensitive your body becomes to the drug's effects, But also, the more you trip, the more you become aware of smaller changes in consciousness. This paradox is hard to describe, but I think that's what you're experiencing; the transition from the sensational trip to the exploratory trip (not to say that your trips weren't spiritual/exploratory before, they should just be more so now).

Losing one's ego is a difficult task for many, and seemingly natural for others. There really is no 'in-between' that I've seen. Either one extreme or the other.
There is no special trick to 'letting go', just treat it like you would any other problem. If one method doesn't work for you, find a different solution to the problem. Try looking at the problem from a different perspective.
for example, try just wording your goals differently. Instead of trying to 'let go', stop yourself from trying to 'keep control'. From that point of view, I believe the problem appears simpler (it is easier to lose than it is to gain). Next, identify what it is that gives you control, or the want of it.
1.) fear of death is an obvious reason to want control [believe it or not, this is one of the easier ones to get rid of (in my opinion)]. If you eliminate this, then there is less of a need for control. This is one of the first factors that I deal with, and it goes like this:
I never try to eliminate fear of death while sober, too hard. I always do this after dosing, either on the come-up or at the verge of the peak. I recite to myself, "Whatever happens, happens, and that's just what's going to happen. I can't change that, and I accept it." Once you've realized that you really have no control over what happens to you (a profound epiphany the first time it happens), then everything just seems to get better, like a huge weight lifted off of your chest. The "fuck it" attitude comes into play, and you will find yourself filled with bliss as the worries that inhibit your daily life dissolve in front of you (literally, sometimes).
(Note: the "fearless" mantra, as I call it, has also helped me out of several bad spots mid trip. Turned it around completely. Just remember that next time you start going down that black spiral)

2.) Fear of the unknown is another reason people want to keep control. Again, the 'fearless' mantra helps with this, but not always as much. Because the unknown is what it is, unknown, fear of it can spawn out of nothing. To keep it from coming back, one must either repeat their mantra constantly to keep themselves in the fearless state of mind, or keep it embedded in their souls. If you grasp and hold the idea of fearlessness firmly, then it will stick with you long enough for the ego to be killed.

3.) Fear of self is the big one, the one that stops many people dead in their tracks. It is impossible for the human mind to comprehend non-existence (just try and think about what it would be like if there were no universe), and if one is not careful for what becomes of one's self, then one must also not be fearful of wasting one's life, of living without experience. Such an attitude could only be in favor of non-existence. This is the part where the 'I' must go, the part where you struggle. This is where psychedelics come into play.
"So how do we go about getting rid of 'I'?" you ask. Technically, it cannot be destroyed, in part for the complicated reason stated above. Instead, we must "forget" about 'I'. One way to do this is to get so far away from 'I' that one cannot remember what 'I' is like, and must start consciousness over, without 'I'. In other words, you must shift your perspective to the point where 'I' becomes disconnected from 'me'. How you go about this is up to you, as I could not tell you how to forget about I exactly, but I can give you a hint:
You will know when your perspective has shifted enough when you are able to view 'I' objectively, when you are able to look at 'I' and analyze it without being "in 'I's shoes". When this occurs, then you know that you have disconnected 'I' from 'me'.

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qwertymkonji said:
Is there any way to induce ego death while tripping? The only time I've ever gotten it was on hawaiian baby woodrose and I wasn't expecting it. I was going about my normal business, and all of a sudden I was in a time loop, dying, experiencing "hell", then experiencing bliss and then rebirth.

But is there any way to induce this on different psychedelics? Meditation perhaps? Is there some sort of guide? This is usually the main goal of my trips. Visions, not visuals. So if anybody has any advice they can give me, I'd appreciate it very much.

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I was doing this last night with fairly interesting results.

I was just staring backwards into my mind's eye and focusing, if you can understand what I mean.

And then it split into multiple eyes, and I saw what was through me. Good times! 



But I imagine there are as many ways to induce this as you can decide there are. You can even do it sober once you get your head around it... but that's a pretty big trip.

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Arioch1 said:
Death was obviously the last barrier towards infinite truth.

I did not feel that great afterwards.

Just a reminder, in my case my search almost took me over the edge. Be careful.

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...and all of a sudden I was in a time loop, dying, experiencing "hell", then experiencing bliss and then rebirth.

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ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
I don't know if ego death is something important to strive for. What does it even mean? The word ego is ambiguosly defined in this context.
I would think it is important in one's psychedelic paths to refine and master one's ego rather than kill it off. Deep within a psychedelic landscape, would it not be better to retain your faculties of contextualization and understanding instead of floating around with the only thought in your head being "whoaaaa!"?
Isn't that shamanism? Using psychedelics and psychedelic states to create a spiritual "vehicle" (or ego) for which to travel through hyperspace?
Leary spouted a lot of useless garbage in his time, and this whole "ego death" thing is psychedelic poison, especially with LSD. Let the mushrooms handle it, they know what to do with your mind until things clear up enough for you to do it yourself. If your ego must die, let it. If not, leave it alone.

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My thoughts exactly.

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Consider this; what is opposite of the opposite?

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