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 Is this edible?
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I tried to post here and my post wouldn't show up... I have a bit of brain damage and I may have done something wrong...
Please can you tell me if this is an edible mushroom --
It's quite large, about the size of a paper plate, the salad size. The leaves around it make it look smaller, but the leaves are actually quite large because they are in the shade.
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doesnt look too appetizing. Even if it is edible which i dont think it is.
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All mushrooms are edible, some only once 
Doesn't look like any of the gourmet mushrooms I go for.
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 Re: Is this edible? [Re: Amatoxin]
#6022753 - 09/02/06 03:39 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probly not a good reply to one who has a bit of "brain damage".
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Here's a better picture of it...
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Maybe a Lactarius.
SOME Lactarius species are edible, but some are poisonous.
For a positive ID you'll need to dig that mushroom up and take photos of the gills. Also, you need to follow these instructions:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5731447/an/0/page/0
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We need to see the underside of the cap more than the top.
See the sticky thread for more information that would help us identify your find. After all, we'd like to make sure we get it right.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: ToxicMan]
#6024385 - 09/03/06 07:40 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, I'm going to dig it up so I can see the stem, but not dig so deeply as to harm the underground mycelium.
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for someone with brain damage you have very good grammer.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: wortiesbo]
#6024658 - 09/03/06 10:20 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks wortiesbo --
My brain damage involves loss of processing speed and working memory. It hasn't altered my education level.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: CureCat]
#6024674 - 09/03/06 10:25 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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CureCat said:
Maybe a Lactarius.
SOME Lactarius species are edible, but some are poisonous.
For a positive ID you'll need to dig that mushroom up and take photos of the gills. Also, you need to follow these instructions:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5731447/an/0/page/0
Hi CureCat --
It looks very different than I expected, now that I've dug it up. It's very brown and porous inside, so it's not so appetizing to eat as I had anticipated. But it smells totally delicioius!
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Well that looks more like an agaricus.
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Now we're talking! 
I was expecting white gills from the first pic.
Kinda looks like the pavement mushroom (Agaricus bitorquis)
http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~5480.asp
(images borrowed from www.rogersmushrooms.com)
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Amatoxin is on track as usual.
I was also expecting white gills... Agaricus bitorquis is infact edible, but perhaps let this one go. Agaricus have many consistent traits throughout the genus, however the cap shape of this specimen is uncommon for Agaricus.
Anyway, pretty mushroom. i would not dismiss choice edibles simply because the gills (rather than pores- pored mushrooms = boletes) are brown and unappetizing. If you go about eating mushrooms based on how appetizing they appear, you may one day find yourself in a heap of trouble... Take the genus of Amanita for example, quite a few tempting mushrooms, and a good number of them deadly toxic.
Just words of caution. Anyway, happy hunting!
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: Amatoxin]
#6025670 - 09/03/06 04:42 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dear Amatoxin and Cure Cat,
Thank you very much!
Is this a pretty sure identification, then...?
I just looked at the spores, and Yes, the spores are chocolate brown.
Gosh, what a beautiful mushroom. I sure hope more come up. I think it was past its prime by the time I picked it.
I just love it. (the mushroom)
thank you for your help, very much.
Is there any way of being sure this is it. I mean, it sure looks like it. And ... apparently it gets brown throughout once it's older... is that right. (it wasn't just the gills that were brown, the interior of the stem was a porous brown and very little of the meat under the cap was still white, it looked as if early on it had been white.
Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo much!!!!
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Edited by ConsiderThis (09/03/06 04:46 PM)
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: Amatoxin]
#6025698 - 09/03/06 04:52 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi again Amatoxin,
I just realized I forgot to take the cut in half photo.
I've already taken it outside and broken it up in some areas I wish more would come up in the future...
But the inside of the stem was not the lovely white in your image, but a very porous brown.
Does that makes sense? Given it may have been older than I thought...
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Agaricus bernardii is frequently mistaken for A. bitorquis, though, A. bernardii should turn a pink colour where cut, and reddish-brown staining or bruising of the top of the cap and the stipe (stem).
Furthermore, it is good to know what state the mushroom was found in...
The substrate (where the mushroom grows from and gets its nutrition) suggests A. bitorquis, as it prefers "heavy" soil, I suppose that means rich and... heavy.
Though, A. bitorquis is said to fruit from mid to late winter. The timing of your mushrooms emergence seems more consistent with A. bernardii, which fruits from Spring through to Fall, but prefers sandy soil and grassy areas.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: CureCat]
#6025801 - 09/03/06 05:46 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm in New Mexico, and the soil is major heavy... it's clay, mostly.
I checked out the bernardii at a California site, and it said the bernardii smells briney... The mushroom I found didn't smell briney at all. (I'm thinking that "briney" isn't that wonderful mushroom smell.) And the spores were chocolate brown from mine, not blackish brown as suggested would be the case from the bernardii.
So then if a mushroom smells really good and like you'd just so enjoy eating it, does that mean it's likely not poisonous? or can't you count on that?
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Can't count on that at all. Many of the deadly species smell great, and reportedly taste awesome too. Suck for the people who found that one out
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: Gumby]
#6025877 - 09/03/06 06:17 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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From what ive read reported survivors of amanita phalloides said the taste was absolutely delicious, despite the high amounts of poison.
ive also heard that the amatoxins could be cooked or heated out of amanitas' Yet i dont think i'd want to try out that experiment hehe.
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Why some rice farmers -- some rice eaters ran him out of Korea. Yes, they ran him out of Korea. Rice eaters with nothing but gym shoes, and a rifle, and a bowl of rice took him and his tanks and his napalm, and all that other action he's supposed to have and ran him across the Yalu. Why? 'Cause the day that he can win on the ground has passed.
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The rule about the odor can be used if you can be certain that you've got an Agaricus. The poisonous Agaricus species all smell bad.
But you need to be 100% certain that that's what it is.
We find A. bernardii here in Denver and they don't smell briny here. They tend to have a peculiar odor (meaning I can't think of a good way to describe it). The texture is very solid (similar to A. bitorquis) but more rubbery (if you have them side by side you'll immediately see what I mean). The bruising here is bright, pumpkin orange. The spore print color is the typical dark chocolate brown of all Agaricus.
TRC, amatoxins are definitely *not* harmed by cooking. There are many cases on record of poisonings where the mushrooms were well cooked.
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: Gumby]
#6026025 - 09/03/06 07:13 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't count on that at all. Many of the deadly species smell great, and reportedly taste awesome too. Suck for the people who found that one out
Oh... Oh!
Thanks!
I was really developing a big belief in smell good, is good.
Whew! thanks for setting me straight.
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Thanks, Illmatic.
Good to know.
thanks very much!!!!
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Hi Toxic,
Thanks. It's getting to be more than I can hold in mind at one time.
I hadn't ever really seen mushroom gills, I mean seen them in the way of actually noticing, that they don't attach to the stem.
If not for taking the photo of the mushroom I found, I doubt I would have really seen it, yet.
Okay, so my question is, do all Agarics have gills like that?
Or, in other words, if I find a mushroom with gills like that, that curve in and don't touch the stem, and it smells good... then... ???
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I wonder, please would you look at this picture of the mushroom's stem, and tell me if that is what you would expect from an aging Agaric bitorquis.
Please?
I got tetanus in 2004 and being older was really sick... still have major trouble. So this mushroom is the most exciting thing for me. (I can't go out or drive yet.)
Thank you so much for your help in identifying it.
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I find them with stems like that all the time. It's usually a sign of maggot infestation. A healthy Agaricus stem should look just like the ones you find at the grocery store.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: xmush]
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Oh, thank you so much xmush.
So, just to check to be sure I understand you, You find Agaricus mushrooms whose stems look like the photo I posted. So the fact the stem of the mushroom I found looks like that doesn't make it NOT be an Agaricus???? is that right?
I was worried that because I'd cropped the picture so much and used one that didn't show the stem so clearly, that I'd been misleading.
I REALLY appreciate your help. Thank you SO much!
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Let me be a bit clearer, sorry for the confusion. Your mushroom is an Agaricus. Many mushrooms can be infested with larvae of various insects. But I very often find Agaricus species that are infested, more so than any other mushroom (except maybe some boletes). So when I see a stem that's all frayed like yours, I tend to suspect there may be maggots inside.
You take nice pictures!
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: xmush]
#6028739 - 09/04/06 03:11 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are very kind, xmush.
I am really so excited that this mushroom came up in my garden. It came up in an area where I don't walk, so maybe that was important to it. I would love to have more come up.
Do you think I can spread them around by tearing up the mushroom and putting parts of it in other areas where I don't walk?
I did that, but I don't know if I should be hopeful...
Thank you again.
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in theory... it could work. Though, substrate is crucial- if you introduce spores or mycellium to an impartial substrate, nothing will grow. However, if the substrate is ideal for the species, you may asuccessfully introduce that mushroom by dispersing spores by breaking apart the cap and scattering the pieces. Mind you, if the mushroom has al;ready released it's spores, it is highly unlikely to do anything.
So basically, don't expect anything- if mushrooms start popping up, it still probably had nothing to do with your scattering the spores.
I wouldn't waste my time... oh wait... yes i would...... and thus far, nothing has grown on my part.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: CureCat]
#6029513 - 09/04/06 07:21 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you've tried it... and it didn't produce a bumper crop...
I would think that if there are already this kind of mushroom growing there, that it would be the right substrate...
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If it is bitorquis it should keep coming up year after year, I have a spot that I have found them now for about ten years. Not many come up each year, maybe 5 or 6 and they are spread out over a large area about 10 feet by 40 feet. About half the time I don't get them in time and they look like yours. They are pretty bland tasting as Agaricus go, but they have a good texture.
They fruit where I find them twice a year, first in the late spring and then in the middle of fall.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: falcon]
#6029641 - 09/04/06 07:55 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks Falcon.
It's good to know that you've seen the same stem texture and color and know it was a bitorquis.
We've had drought for quite a while, so maybe this year when we are having rain.. they are more eager to appear.
That's a pretty wide space.
In other years when I was well I had my zucchini planted nearby and would probably have trampled them to death before they could have emerged...
Have the ones you've seen been in the shade, or partial shade?
This may be a bit fanciful, but do you think they need thunder and lightening to emerge?
By that I mean that mine didn't come up after a heaving watering with a hose, but did after heavy rain with thunder and lightening...
I kind of like the idea of thunder waking them up, and lightening being their dawn.
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The ones I find are in a place that is very shady most of the year. In the middle of summer it gets 6 or 7 hours of sun, but for most of the year while the trees have leaves it is shady.
I don't know if they need thunder and lightening. They do seem to me to come up when it is very humid and the soil is very wet.
The lightening and thunder is a nice bit of mushroom mythology.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: falcon]
#6030070 - 09/04/06 09:48 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you so much for all your information!!!!
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Hi again,
I am so grateful to you for your help identifying the mushroom I found last fall.
I just found two smaller ones and had them for lunch. MMMMMMMMM
If you want to see what my garden looks like, here you go:
http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/aWorkingWell-Gardening.html
As an aside, I found these mushrooms, today, in my shady corner. All of the earth there is from other parts of my garden because I wanted to build the corner up a bit. I mixed the earth, which is high in clay, with steer manure and some peat moss. The bit where I found the mushrooms looked very clay colored, but it was crumbly soil, not hard the way that the clay is in other areas of my garden.
http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/Fingernails.html
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Edited by ConsiderThis (03/30/07 03:58 PM)
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