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 ToxicMan
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The rule about the odor can be used if you can be certain that you've got an Agaricus. The poisonous Agaricus species all smell bad.
But you need to be 100% certain that that's what it is.
We find A. bernardii here in Denver and they don't smell briny here. They tend to have a peculiar odor (meaning I can't think of a good way to describe it). The texture is very solid (similar to A. bitorquis) but more rubbery (if you have them side by side you'll immediately see what I mean). The bruising here is bright, pumpkin orange. The spore print color is the typical dark chocolate brown of all Agaricus.
TRC, amatoxins are definitely *not* harmed by cooking. There are many cases on record of poisonings where the mushrooms were well cooked.
Happy mushrooming!
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ConsiderThis
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 Re: Is this edible?  [Re: Gumby]
#6026025 - 09/03/06 08:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gumby said:
Can't count on that at all. Many of the deadly species smell great, and reportedly taste awesome too. Suck for the people who found that one out 
Oh... Oh!
Thanks!
I was really developing a big belief in smell good, is good.
Whew! thanks for setting me straight.
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ConsiderThis
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Thanks, Illmatic.
Good to know.
thanks very much!!!!
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ConsiderThis
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Hi Toxic,
Thanks. It's getting to be more than I can hold in mind at one time.
I hadn't ever really seen mushroom gills, I mean seen them in the way of actually noticing, that they don't attach to the stem.
If not for taking the photo of the mushroom I found, I doubt I would have really seen it, yet.
Okay, so my question is, do all Agarics have gills like that?
Or, in other words, if I find a mushroom with gills like that, that curve in and don't touch the stem, and it smells good... then... ???
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Edited by ConsiderThis (09/03/06 11:14 PM)
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ConsiderThis
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I wonder, please would you look at this picture of the mushroom's stem, and tell me if that is what you would expect from an aging Agaric bitorquis.
Please?
I got tetanus in 2004 and being older was really sick... still have major trouble. So this mushroom is the most exciting thing for me. (I can't go out or drive yet.)
Thank you so much for your help in identifying it.
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xmush
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I find them with stems like that all the time. It's usually a sign of maggot infestation. A healthy Agaricus stem should look just like the ones you find at the grocery store.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: xmush]
#6027611 - 09/04/06 09:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh, thank you so much xmush.
So, just to check to be sure I understand you, You find Agaricus mushrooms whose stems look like the photo I posted. So the fact the stem of the mushroom I found looks like that doesn't make it NOT be an Agaricus???? is that right?
I was worried that because I'd cropped the picture so much and used one that didn't show the stem so clearly, that I'd been misleading.
I REALLY appreciate your help. Thank you SO much!
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xmush
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Let me be a bit clearer, sorry for the confusion. Your mushroom is an Agaricus. Many mushrooms can be infested with larvae of various insects. But I very often find Agaricus species that are infested, more so than any other mushroom (except maybe some boletes). So when I see a stem that's all frayed like yours, I tend to suspect there may be maggots inside.
You take nice pictures!
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ConsiderThis
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: xmush]
#6028739 - 09/04/06 04:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are very kind, xmush.
I am really so excited that this mushroom came up in my garden. It came up in an area where I don't walk, so maybe that was important to it. I would love to have more come up.
Do you think I can spread them around by tearing up the mushroom and putting parts of it in other areas where I don't walk?
I did that, but I don't know if I should be hopeful...
Thank you again.
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in theory... it could work. Though, substrate is crucial- if you introduce spores or mycellium to an impartial substrate, nothing will grow. However, if the substrate is ideal for the species, you may asuccessfully introduce that mushroom by dispersing spores by breaking apart the cap and scattering the pieces. Mind you, if the mushroom has al;ready released it's spores, it is highly unlikely to do anything.
So basically, don't expect anything- if mushrooms start popping up, it still probably had nothing to do with your scattering the spores.
I wouldn't waste my time... oh wait... yes i would...... and thus far, nothing has grown on my part.
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ConsiderThis
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: CureCat]
#6029513 - 09/04/06 08:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you've tried it... and it didn't produce a bumper crop...
I would think that if there are already this kind of mushroom growing there, that it would be the right substrate...
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If it is bitorquis it should keep coming up year after year, I have a spot that I have found them now for about ten years. Not many come up each year, maybe 5 or 6 and they are spread out over a large area about 10 feet by 40 feet. About half the time I don't get them in time and they look like yours. They are pretty bland tasting as Agaricus go, but they have a good texture.
They fruit where I find them twice a year, first in the late spring and then in the middle of fall.
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: falcon]
#6029641 - 09/04/06 08:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks Falcon.
It's good to know that you've seen the same stem texture and color and know it was a bitorquis.
We've had drought for quite a while, so maybe this year when we are having rain.. they are more eager to appear.
That's a pretty wide space.
In other years when I was well I had my zucchini planted nearby and would probably have trampled them to death before they could have emerged...
Have the ones you've seen been in the shade, or partial shade?
This may be a bit fanciful, but do you think they need thunder and lightening to emerge?
By that I mean that mine didn't come up after a heaving watering with a hose, but did after heavy rain with thunder and lightening...
I kind of like the idea of thunder waking them up, and lightening being their dawn.
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The ones I find are in a place that is very shady most of the year. In the middle of summer it gets 6 or 7 hours of sun, but for most of the year while the trees have leaves it is shady.
I don't know if they need thunder and lightening. They do seem to me to come up when it is very humid and the soil is very wet.
The lightening and thunder is a nice bit of mushroom mythology. 
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Re: Is this edible? [Re: falcon]
#6030070 - 09/04/06 10:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you so much for all your information!!!!
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ConsiderThis
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Hi again,
I am so grateful to you for your help identifying the mushroom I found last fall.
I just found two smaller ones and had them for lunch. MMMMMMMMM
If you want to see what my garden looks like, here you go:
http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/aWorkingWell-Gardening.html
As an aside, I found these mushrooms, today, in my shady corner. All of the earth there is from other parts of my garden because I wanted to build the corner up a bit. I mixed the earth, which is high in clay, with steer manure and some peat moss. The bit where I found the mushrooms looked very clay colored, but it was crumbly soil, not hard the way that the clay is in other areas of my garden.
http://www.health-boundaries-bite.com/Fingernails.html
Your fingernails reflect your health --
Learn some warning signs --
Karen Kline
Edited by ConsiderThis (03/30/07 04:58 PM)
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