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Colorado River Toad
    #5885390 - 07/21/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/colorado-river-toad-p-368.html

http://www.erowid.org/archive/sonoran_desert_toad/almost.htm

Has anyone had experience with this "psychedelic toad". It seems like a good investment, but before I look into it further I would love to hear if any of you have any experiences with it.


Any input is appreciated.

Edited by despisedicon (07/22/06 12:39 AM)

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: despisedicon]
    #5885633 - 07/21/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It's kind of gross to "milk" them. . and it takes a lot of time to get some good doses - but. . it's inexpensive, it's legal, and best of all, it's DMT!

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Ashland]
    #5885640 - 07/21/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How do you go about milking these ugly little bastards?

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Ashland]
    #5885643 - 07/21/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

And having more then one helps with those problems :thumbup:

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: SaturnGlass]
    #5885766 - 07/21/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Damn, that sounds cool. Short trip, legal, and reusable. Plus you get a pet toad!

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Dihnekis]
    #5885873 - 07/21/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I thought they only produced 5-MeO-DMT?


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: despisedicon]
    #5885885 - 07/21/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Whoa, I didn't know that you could buy them online! :crazy2:  Being a big reptile/amphibian fan, I thought that I was going to have to take a road trip to catch one sometime.  I love how they have smooth skin like a frog's.

Anyways, you milk them by gently squeezing their glands, and scraping the poison onto a knife.  It's kind of like popping a zit; puss-like cottage cheese looking poison comes out :tongue:.  You'd probably want to let the stuff dry, at least a little bit, before you smoke it.

After drying a bit, you load a small amount into a glass dick (or a cleaned light-bulb) and smoke it like one would smoke crank.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Arrakis]
    #5885972 - 07/21/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

WHERE CAN I CATCH ONE I LIVE IN COLORADO I LICKED ONE AND NEARLY DIED FROM THE TASTE

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: avapxia]
    #5886035 - 07/21/06 10:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

They're actually not in Colorado, and if they are then there are VERY few of them.  They're mainly in the southwestern half of Arizona, in the extreme southeast of California, and (to a lesser extent) in the southwestern tip of New Mexico.

You would find them around streams or watering holes at night; especially before and after it rains in the months of May, June, and July, as that is their breeding season. :thumbup:


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: avapxia]
    #5886055 - 07/21/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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WHERE CAN I CATCH ONE I LIVE IN COLORADO I LICKED ONE AND NEARLY DIED FROM THE TASTE




lolol wtf... you just go around licking random toads? among other things that the "psychedelic" toad produces is bufotinen, DMT and 5-MEO-DMT. and its definatly illegal to milk those toads for their poison. its not illegal to have the toad.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: wortiesbo]
    #5886136 - 07/21/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.erowid.org/archive/sonoran_desert_toad/deeptoad.htm

http://www.erowid.org/archive/sonoran_desert_toad/almost.htm

http://www.erowid.org/archive/sonoran_desert_toad/mystory.htm
Trip Reports

All links from erowid if anyone is interested like myself. There is a bunch, but I am sure every one is familiar with erowid.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Ashland]
    #5887071 - 07/22/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Ashland said:
It's kind of gross to "milk" them. . and it takes a lot of time to get some good doses - but. . it's inexpensive, it's legal, and best of all, it's DMT!




Not true. One "milking" will produce 15 doses, at least (One dose is a ball of dried goop about the size of a paper match-head), and you can milk em every 6 weeks, at most (4 weeks minimum). You could probably milk em sooner, but it could harm the toad (that's right, milking em doesn't hurt em at all as long as you don't do it too often). Also, the toads will live for a minimum of 5 years, in poor conditions, and up to 30 years for the most healthy toads in supreme care (30 years is unlikely, though).
5-MeO-DMT is the primary active chemical, which is ~10x as potent as DMT, but produces few visuals. It is pretty much a straight mind-fuck, not for the light-of-heart. Expect an intense psychedelic experience, that only experienced psychonauts can really get a grip on. The trip lasts about 15 minutes, though, so it's not too incredibly bad if you start to freak out (even though 15 minutes in psychedelia can be an eternity).

And remember, folks:
When it comes to milking, the Milkman knows best!  :crazy2: :thumbup:

Edited by Lysergic_Milkman (07/22/06 02:20 PM)

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5887523 - 07/22/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

This is really interesting... sounds like a solid trip, but short :s


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: avapxia]
    #5887547 - 07/22/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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WHERE CAN I CATCH ONE I LIVE IN COLORADO I LICKED ONE AND NEARLY DIED FROM THE TASTE




You don't lick them, the Simpsons are wrong. They can be found in the Sonoran Desert, in Arizona, Mexico, And SouthEastern California. The venom must be extracted from the toads glands, dried, and smoked.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: EndlessNameless]
    #5887561 - 07/22/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, the heat kills some toxins (?).
Dogs eat these guys & die.

Edited by 905 (07/22/06 01:23 PM)

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: 905]
    #5887694 - 07/22/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

One thing to consider is that the toad you are collecting may be wild caught. Collecters can really deplete a species from its habitat. I would at least buy these captive bred if you can find out the source.

It is wrong to collect something to extinction. There are plenty of entheogens out there...

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: avapxia]
    #5887777 - 07/22/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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WHERE CAN I CATCH ONE I LIVE IN COLORADO I LICKED ONE AND NEARLY DIED FROM THE TASTE




This is obviously a BS post, and avapxia should be flamed for posting it, but I want to make an important point:
If you did lick one of these toads, you wouldn't have died from the taste, but rather the bufotoxins. Bufotoxins are highly toxic when taken orally, and can cause permanent brain damage and severe psychosis. Therefore, it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to use the venom for smoking only, as fire destroys bufotoxins on contact, and the small dose required when smoked contains only minute amounts of the chemicals, as opposed to licking large amounts of it off the skin. Also, this venom has not been tested on animals in smoke/vapor form, so it is still presumed to be dangerous. Anecdotal reports from www.erowid.org seem to share the idea that the venom is relatively safe when smoked (keep in mind, though, that many of these reports involved one-time or first-time users, so the venom should not be smoked often to avoid dangerous build-ups of bufotoxins from frequent use).

Anyway, I think it is pretty safe to try and use every once-in-a-while, given that the mentioned erowidians had no lasting side-effects.

BTW, how would you know what they taste like if you don't know where to find them?

(EDIT: It seems the information in my head was a bit old. After doing some updated research, I find that the smoke has been deemed pretty much harmless. So smoke away!)

Edited by Lysergic_Milkman (07/22/06 03:12 PM)

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5887791 - 07/22/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

L_Milkman, you own have experience with these toads correct? I have read that plants contain 5-MeO-DMT, so why buy the toad?

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: despisedicon]
    #5887818 - 07/22/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The toad is a quickly renewable source, and is MUCH easier to get the goods from. No extracting or anything of the sort involved.
Just milk, dry, smoke.
Plus, it isn't really that hard to take care of (I don't have one personally, but I have had toads before). It basically sits on its fat ass all day, wanting an alternating source of heat and moisture, and a lazy cricket or fly every once-in-a-while.
The only major down-side of Bufo alvarius as opposed to some other plants is the price. These toads go from $125 U.S. and up from reliable sources. BUT, if you are considering buying one of these toads, then you all need to hurry up and decide because they are in stock for only a few months out of the year (due to mating, hibernation, etc...), and it just so happens that they are now in stock (I am on the mailing list from BouncingBearBotanicals to let me know when they have the toads in stock, and I got the e-mail just a few weeks ago).

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5888088 - 07/22/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Dont do toad

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Saucerfulofmoon]
    #5888138 - 07/22/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Dont do toad




Reason?
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Re: Colorado River Toad *DELETED* [Re: despisedicon]
    #5891249 - 07/23/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5891261 - 07/23/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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Dont do toad




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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Magickow]
    #5891284 - 07/23/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Is that last picture a roadkill toad?

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: 905]
    #5891883 - 07/23/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Nice pics Magic.

Its mucus

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Magickow]
    #5891925 - 07/23/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The picture of that frogs eye is amazing.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #5892375 - 07/23/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i have thinking about aquireing one of these toads, and wondered if it is more likely to be a experience i would not want to repeat. (although id be glad i did anyways.) a responce or pm would be great please.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5892613 - 07/23/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> Has anyone had experience with this "psychedelic toad".

Yes.

> It seems like a good investment,

Yes.

> It's kind of gross to "milk" them.

Not really.

> and it takes a lot of time to get some good doses

Nope, it doesn't take very long to milk them. There's a decent recovery time for them to produce more DMT though.

> How do you go about milking these ugly little bastards?

Just squeeze the glands while holding them pointed at a mirror or plate, the white medicine squirts out with force. It's just like popping a zit.

> One "milking" will produce 15 doses, at least

No way! Not even close. Try one good sized dose. It also depends how long you let them rest for.

> up to 30 years for the most healthy toads

Try about 10 years.

> It is pretty much a straight mind-fuck, not for the light-of-heart.

It's a body trip or head rush, and no it's not for the faint-of-heart. Just remember your mantra and to breathe. Remember that it only lasts a little while. "Breath of fire," is the best mantra to use IMO.

> Expect an intense psychedelic experience,

That's an understatement. I think possibly the best feeling in the entire world is just after you peak on 5-MeO-DMT and realize that you're actually starting to come down a tiny bit. It's like a really scary roller coaster just after you do the scariest part, after that it's fun.

It's a white-knuckle ride for the first part I will tell you.

> The trip lasts about 15 minutes

More like 5-10. The absolute entire event will be over in 30. You're only really tripping decently hard for 5-8.

> Bufotoxins are highly toxic when taken orally, and can cause permanent brain damage and severe psychosis.

No, they will only cause swelling and irritation of the mucosal membranes at any dosage you would get from licking them. The only way you could die from ingesting their "medicine" would be if you actually bit into one. Licking them might irritate your mouth but it's not going to produce "brain damage or psychosis".

> the venom is relatively safe when smoked

Yep. You won't even get a headache from it. It leaves a pretty bad taste in your mouth for a bit, but you will be in EXACTLY the same state you were when you started after 30 min.

> Plus, it isn't really that hard to take care of

Nope, not at all. Crickets are pretty cheap too. The best thing to feed them is pinky rats. They love those tasty little fuckers. I had a big one and would feed it almost full sized mice.

You can teach them to eat dead mice, cocktail wieners, or even dog food. That's kind tough though. If you put a cocktail wiener on a string it's not too tough though to get them to snap it down.

> wondered if it is more likely to be a experience i would not want to repeat.

It's a powerful trip. Not particularly pleasant, nor particularly unpleasant. It is POWERFUL though and after the first time you will have much respect for the substance. You'll probably wait a while before doing it again.

For me I get anxious because I know how powerful it is and it becomes easy to chicken out. If you're into the powerful stuff, then you'll love it. It's something that everyone should try once, but for many that's enough. It's really cool to travel that far in such a short period of time and come back to exactly where you started from so quickly.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: fastfred]
    #5892979 - 07/24/06 12:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh shit, I forgot about this thread!

To answer your question, you "milk" them by gently squeezing the glands that are located on their rear legs and behind their necks. . you really should find an online tutorial with pictures before you attempt to do it, though.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: fastfred]
    #5894006 - 07/24/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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> up to 30 years for the most healthy toads

Try about 10 years.
> Bufotoxins are highly toxic when taken orally, and can cause permanent brain damage and severe psychosis.

No, they will only cause swelling and irritation of the mucosal membranes at any dosage you would get from licking them. The only way you could die from ingesting their "medicine" would be if you actually bit into one. Licking them might irritate your mouth but it's not going to produce "brain damage or psychosis".





I forgot to put the average life-expectancy in there, thanks.

Are you sure about the venom, though?
I read somewhere that it can be very dangerous, on Erowid I think.
Oh well, you sound like you know what you're talking about.
I'll check into it...

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Arrakis]
    #6116714 - 09/29/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you will ONLY find the
SONORAN DESERT TOAD in the
SONORAN DESERT!!

Calling it a colo-river toad throws people off, make em think anywhere in that river. well the colorado part of the colorado river is WAY TO COLD AND MOUNTAINOUS for a DESERT TOAD.

The sonoran desert is in central AZ.  It spiderwebs to diff't states but the main bulk of it is in AZ. 

b/c I love shroomery I will give a herpetological tip on how to find this toad.  LOOK IN CANALS IN THE PHOENIX SUBURBS. particuarly gilbert and east mesa.  the little canals that run into the med-sized canals that run into the HUGE canals are the best places to find em.  Its easiest to find and catch em in the small/med sized canals, you can forget catching them in big canals. 
The real herper tip though it nightime w/ a flashlight.  you can spot them the water's edge in the canals, shine a flashlight on them and and they will freeze in place most of the time.  be slow when catching.  Sneak up from behind and pounce on it when it least expects it.  the flashlight will startle it and most of the time make it freeze in place. Frogs and toads eyesight is based on movement.  (unlike the same claim pertaining to the T-rex in Jurassic Park, it is untrue, trexes have great eyesight)

Also the best time to catch them is right after a monsoon rain.  end of july-aug is monsoon season, which is the same as the breeding season for the sonoran desert toad.  this is when they're out of their dens the most.  Me and my brother have caught 20 in one night! Its all about timing.  Go after the monsoon rains, at night, bring a bright flash light, look in small canals in the suburbs, dont 4 get about the eyes! "they cant see you if you dont move!" ~Dr. Allen Grant. :tongue2:

PS-the life expectancy of a sonoran desert toad in the care of an experienced herpetologist is 15+ years, give or take.

PSS-its easier to milk 20 of em in one night after the monsoons than it is to take care of a few in a vivarium or terrarium, cheaper too. (not saying they're hard to take care of, east really.)

Edited by TNpsilo420 (09/29/06 08:10 PM)

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    #6116954 - 09/29/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: despisedicon]
    #6116979 - 09/29/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

they are all over the place around here during our monsoon season. where i grew up the things would swarm like a plague from god. after a heavy nights rain you could expect to be woken up by them at some point in the night. the shit is definitely a trip, though my preference lies with n,n dmt.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: pebbles2004]
    #6117119 - 09/29/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I have to add that i don't find it "easy" to milk the toad. I was suprised at how hard i was squeezing before the Glands would squirt on the glass. You squeeze at the bottom of the gland and once it squirts you move up the gland slightly and squeeze again until it squirts, repeat till you get to the top of the gland and nothing else comes out. I got about an identical amount of venom a hour later when i milked it again. You shouldnt milk it again for about 4-6 weeks. I have not attempted to "milk" the glands on the limbs, they kick and squirm ALOT when they are picked up.




The leg glands are the easiest to milk. you can get ahold of the gland alot easier and squirt out everything from that one gland in one squirt. you'd be suprised at how huch the leg glands produce. your right the main glands are harder to get ahold of and you gotta squeeze a few times. once you milk one a few times it comes natural. My brother kept one as a pet for a while and it became tame quickly and it literally *let* you milk it w/ no squirmin'

The less they're milked the more potent the venom. The second milking an hour after the first is always weaker too. Thats why me and my brother would catch, milk, and release 'em all at once. you get alot of potent venom all at once, instead of keeping the same toad and getting weak venom each time. We had a shitload of venom but we were to pussy at the time to try it. We sold it once but the customer/consumer smoked it like pot and it didnt work, we told him though it'd only work if you vaporized it.

all this talk makes me really hope my bro sends me some venom. Its still warm enough to catch em I bet...

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: TNpsilo420]
    #6117621 - 09/30/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

like 5 years ago i was told you could order the tadpoles (10-20) for 50 bucks. anyone know where to order if there still around? it sounds a better investment than a toad, ive raised tadpoles when i was a kid.


i saw a show on discovery channel about some rain forest frogs that were licked by tribal people,,,anyone know the species?


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: trigger]
    #8229857 - 04/02/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I would also definately be interested in tadpoles/or fertilised spawn.I guess you would be best speaking to a bufo alvarius breeding pair owner; since apparently they reproduce in massive quantities.

If anyone knows of anyone with any, or any spawn, please send a message.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: avapxia]
    #8229882 - 04/02/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They only come out around july - September, and August is their peak time. I talked to the guy who works with Bouncing bear botanicals. And plus, milking it too much can kill it.
oh yea. and you dont lick these.... you squeeze the venom out and let it harden. then smoke it.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Nicklute]
    #8230132 - 04/02/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I spend the summer in the sonoran desert and they are incredibly easy to find in their spawning pools after the monsoons. if I understand correctly it is legal to distribute them, if anyone is interested send me a PM

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: DoomsDayJesus]
    #8230459 - 04/02/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, somebody bumped the shit out of this thread.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: truffleupagus]
    #10306820 - 05/08/09 06:22 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I am a new poster here.
but I was looking into this and was wondering if this is could be made into the DMT tea with harmala alkaloids, or if the  plants were the only way to go?

and if the venom can be neutralize with the DMT preserved which would be the best way to go about it?


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: ammit]
    #10306881 - 05/08/09 07:01 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I am a new poster here.
but I was looking into this and was wondering if this is could be made into the DMT tea with harmala alkaloids, or if the  plants were the only way to go?

and if the venom can be neutralize with the DMT preserved which would be the best way to go about it?




Way to resurrect a year old thread with your first post.  You're off to a great start.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Innoculus]
    #10308236 - 05/08/09 01:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

> wondering if this is could be made into the DMT tea with harmala alkaloids

There are other substances in the venom that you wouldn't want to consume.  They are destroyed upon heating, so that is really the only way to use it.

It works fine BTW.  There's really no reason to look at alternate ways to consume.  You wouldn't want to have a very long 5-MeO-DMT trip anyways, it's just too intense.  The very best part of the trip is right after the peak, when you realize that you're comming down and that you aren't going to die.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: fastfred]
    #10308605 - 05/08/09 03:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I was asking because it seemed a more natural and appropriate way of consuming it, since wasn't this the way it was originally used during its time as a religious substance?

It is not that I wanna try and abuse such entheogens but I would sometime would like to seek to use them in the nature in which they were used religiously to conserve some  act of homage to your ancestors


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: ammit]
    #10309131 - 05/08/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

AFAIK 5-MeO-DMT toad venom has no history of religious use.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: fastfred]
    #10309344 - 05/08/09 05:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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AFAIK 5-MeO-DMT toad venom has no history of religious use.




:thumbup:

to poster which the above reply is replying to-
Yeah stop pretending to have good reasons for doing them.  At least not excuses.

You just wanna trip from a toad.  Understandable.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Innoculus]
    #10309454 - 05/08/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

ammit is mixing up 5-MeO and N,N DMT, although others in the thread have also mistakenly said that bufo alvarius venom has DMT.

ammit, the tea/brew you're thinking of is ayahuasca, which is traditionally made primarily with psychotria viridis and caapi vine.

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Nasrudin]
    #10315688 - 05/10/09 02:17 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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ammit is mixing up 5-MeO and N,N DMT, although others in the thread have also mistakenly said that bufo alvarius venom has DMT.

ammit, the tea/brew you're thinking of is ayahuasca, which is traditionally made primarily with psychotria viridis and caapi vine.




yes I was meaning a ayahuasca type brew with dmt and was wondering  if someone could  pm me the proper thread links, sorry for the miss-post.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: ammit]
    #15511856 - 12/13/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

where online can I get one of these Colorado river toads, or is anyone selling any?

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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: Unkjuice]
    #15511916 - 12/13/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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where online can I get one of these Colorado river toads, or is anyone selling any?




Get a time machine and go back to before Bouncing Bear Botanicals was raided.  Grab some mimosa hostilis and cactus powder too before the police confiscate that shit and make sure you have enough plutonium to get back to 2011 because Libya's been overthrown.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: joemolloy]
    #15512129 - 12/13/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

You can get them from some reptile vendors call the mom an pop shops......ps the extraction of the goo from those toads is a huge pain in the ass they also croak really loud all night long and if they shoot you in the eye you can go blind.....just get a time machine.


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Re: Colorado River Toad [Re: despisedicon]
    #15512192 - 12/13/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I imagine setting them out in a foreign ecosystem where they don't have real foes. Like the bullfrogs in Australia they might just proliferate and proliferate I could imagine them to gladly take the whole mediterranean :laugh:DD

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