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I have seen the fiery depths of hell, and escaped its grim landscape of torture and bondage.
Some people say there is no Hell. They are wrong. Hell can be a state of mind that you tap into, but it is also a very real physical realm.
God casts those he finds offensive down to Hell. Lucifer oversees their punishment.
In Hell, you are subjected to your worst fears, kind of like room 101 in the book 1984.
Your body is tortured, disintegrated, and put back together, so it can be tortured again.
Your eyes will be eaten by pterodactyls, then your sight will be restored only so you can see the demons eat your flesh with their razor teeth and acid tongues.
If you are vain, your hair will fall out and your skin will be scarred.
The demons in hell are servants to sinners. They have a hierarchy, with Lucifer being the top.
Contrary to popular belief, Lucifer is not God's enemy, for God has no enemies. Lucifer is God's greatest angel, for he tests souls with temptation, and punishes them with pain.
When Jesus died, he descended into Hell, said "What's up?" to Satan, and then proclaimed that all who were incarcerated there were allowed to leave. He told everyone that his father's rules no longer applied. This was the New Testament. Then of course, Jesus rose again and ascended into Heaven.
The funny thing is, a lot of people chose to stay in hell. Some to serve their master Lucifer, and some because they felt they hadn't been punished enough.
You'd be surprised how many people enjoy being tortured.
It makes sense that "souls" migrate, like with like. Those living in hatred in a "peaceful" world (this world is somewhat peaceful) will carry that hatred with them into a more hateful world, until they are surrounded by those who are also full of hate...... a hell realm.
But I don't buy into the eternality of it....... existence may be eternal but it is stratified, in my theorizing opinion based upon studying Buddhism, into hunks of time.... with clear boundaries which consciousness is not allowed to pass.
For example there is the hunk of time as a human. There are many hunks of time as humans. And what you carry with you passes over the barrier of birth, but YOU do not, rather you simply come to be somewhere, at some point, in the NOW .... bound to any possible form of existence based upon your past actions.
A soldier giving in to hate and killing and subsequently being killed will carry that mindset with him, and it will be a defining snapshot of his present human "incarnation" ..... this snapshot then creates his next existence based upon the doctrine he chose to accept.
Therefore accepting a doctrine of Christ, that is, transforming and healing love, to the point of selflessness that you would rather be destroyed than to lift a finger in retalliation....
that can lead no where but to heaven. Christ is the way. Jesus Christ is the way. But the Dharma is the way too....... and the Dharma is Jesus.
It's all interchangable from my perspective. So yes, there is a hell in this current Earth.... and yes there probably is a hell manifest from the humans who have deliberately done "evil" where they all come to congregate.... which is much more violent and worse than here.....
and where probably Dharma/Christ don't exist......
and that is problemsome.
My thoughts.
But you say Jesus said that no one has to go to hell anymore.... that those who were there could leave. I am not at all familiar with this notion. Where did you get it from? Does it mean that hell is no longer a permanent place?
So to me.... if you take the Christian doctrine..... rejecting Christ to me is not living as an atheist, an unbeliever.... it is rejecting the notions of the power of love and caving into hatred and negativity.
So for example someone who is a Christian by affiliation but perhaps hates people very much and somehow misses the point of Jesus....... will not fare nearly as well as someone who thinks the idea of Jesus or a God is absolutely ABSURD but spends his life being peaceful and helping others.
I think Christ is much more universal than the Christian religion paints "him" .... because I think Christ is our inner divine potential. So all you have to do is water the seed.... the mustard seed of the Kingdom .... and it will bear fruit. Some people put water on it.... but they don't even realize it because they don't follow any religions, they are just doing what feels right.
Some people follow religions but choose to let the tree wither and die, and don't try to live spiritually.
But I think Christ is just the ratio of how much purity you have in your heart (Christ being FULL purity, full acceptance and embracement of your inner divine) and anti-Christ, or rejection of Christ, simply being ingorance and denial of the concepts of love, peace, charity, compassion, and tolerance.
This is my way of universalizing the religion. Yes, Christ is the way...... but Christ is just a WORD and words can only be fingers that point at the moon. My understanding is that you don't even need any dieties or religions at all in order to awaken to Christ-consciousness.... that accepting Jesus is making the Jesus figure your archetype that is, identifying and embracing fully universal love. And that universal love has been called many things throughout time....
from concepts such as metta. to actual teachers such as Christ and the Buddhas and Boddhisattvas.....
I recommend the book Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hanh (i hope i spelled that one right).
Is there a hell? Well yes. I suppose so. But I don't think you are condemned there based upon whether you say the right prayers.... or "believe" in Jesus, because many people believe without EXPERIENCE.... I think EXPERIENCE is what gets you there. experience of that transformative love.
And I think Jesus is a simple story easy enough for everyone to understand, but that there is a huge depth to the teachings (partially suppressed such as in the Gnostic Gospels) that basically says.... go inside. The Kingdom of God is within you. Go inside before it's too late.
and I need to go inside......
So like let's say, the chakras. If you meditate upon the heart chakra you don't have to do anything "religious" at all in order to receive eternal life.
Or let's say you follow scriptures but get to the same place. I heard in a presentation by our Buddhist Association that scriptural teachings rely on the throat chakra to transmit truth, but they implement the solar plexus by saying... if you stray from this truth you will go to HELL .... so that you stay centered and have a reason to "stay in line".
But that heart, direct practice, is just as good.
Ultimately though...... focusing on hell does nothing but make you scared, which makes you more likely to go there. Focus on the good things.
-------------------- Om bhur bhuvaha swaha tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi, dhiyo yonah prachodyat.
We meditate upon that supreme light , the source of all creation, may it illumine our intellects and bring us eternal life.
When I first came to planet earth, I heard of this concept called Hell.
Everyone kept telling me I was going to Hell.
and I was like: "What is this Hell you speak of?"
So then I found out what Hell was, and I was like: "That's stupid. No one should ever have to go to Hell. Eternal damnation? That sounds a little harsh, man."
Then I got out in the world a little, and I started to see the way people treated eachother, and the way they treated me.
Then I realized: "Shit, Hell is a good idea! Fuck those people, they're goin to Hell!"
Just goes to show ya, everything happens for a reason.
wait, i thought there were no dinosaurs in the bible!
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one last sarcastic comment: i dont imagine anyone has ever been able to take a picture while in hell, or possibly email? certainly the crude human technology is not too advanced for divine/demonic energy.. right?
-------------------- music: myspace.com/soundscientists . I have the heart of a child. I keep it in a jar on my shelf.
No statements made in any post or message by myself should be construed to mean that I am now, or have ever been, participating in or considering participation in any activities in violation of any local, state, or federal laws. All posts are works of fiction.
In the Age of the Second Woe A wise Priest of The Church of The Holy Zion Held Council with The Members of His Family
During a Lecture of Prophecy A man sobbed confessing, "I have murdered my Father and my Uncle, I am going to hell." And a woman cried out, "I am a lost whore, an evil junky, I know for a fact I am going to hell."
The Priest seeing such anguish and despair and hopelessness in their eyes he finally fell prostrate before them saying, "No my children, you are my family, I will go to hell before you." And The Priest shed one glittering tear that shot forth rainbows into the eyes of his observers.
In time The Murderer died And arrived into Heaven And God said to him, "Thou Murderer? How dost thou appear to Me, The Unwelcomed One?"
And the Man Answered, "Please, I beg of thee, do not send me to hell, the priest said he would take my place."
Next the Whore appeared and God spoke to her, "This cannot BE. By what authority hast thou come before Me?"
And She Answered, "Please have mercy me, Holy God, I know not to trespass, the Priest said he would go before me into Hell."
In Heaven all thoughts are heard as God's thoughts, God said to Himself, "Who is this man who would destroy his own holy soul for a murderer and a whore?" They two thought to themselves, "He is a Savior."
When God took note, finally he called Eternity to an End And Heaven and Hell became Full. And God met with The Devil because the numbers were off, Heaven had ONE too many souls.
The Devil was very weary and small, he choked, "The Wizard Priest has wounded me and is comforting the damned."
And immediately the wizard was summoned before The Throne and God Spoke, "Why hast thou done this thing?" Now The Priest was very proud to finally meet his God and he said to God, "I realized I was Them and they were Me and that We were ONE and the same PerSon and I do not want to go to hell." And the Irony of the Moment was Very Great.
Then the two said I love you.
This event bridged The Two, making the two ONE THING. You are responsible for This Event. You have made The Universe Your Possession. How YOU be fitted is Unknown to Me.
I think the concept of hell is based on our pathological desire for vengeance. We can't accept the idea that an evil person could commit horrible deeds and get away with it. I do personally believe in a sort of purification of the soul, which may or may not be a painful process. But I think that even the most evil people will not be tortured for eternity. At worst, they will feel the pain that they have caused others until they've been purified of all the bad karma.
hey man, they only thing I disagree with about hell is that incarceration there is eternal. It isn't. No one has to stay in one place forever, though people do tend to get themselves stuck in one place for awhile.
why don't you want me to believe in Hell, man? Got a guilty conscience?
the central nervous system is responsible for time. when you leave your body, where ever you go, it's eternity there.
and even if it's just one second in time it seems like forever and ever
incarceration in hell is eternal it recycles your energies until there is nothing at all left of you, it is possible that maybe you come back as grass or microbial germs, or animals or something, but you wouldn't know it.
the point of having hell is to keep it so god is infallible. if it were possible to escape, that defeats the whole point.
viewing hell in a spiritual vision, isn't the same as being damned to oblivion there.
The biggest thing I can't get is you have this eternity in one of two locations..... how come we're here in the meaningless blip of it as humans, shouldn't we already be in eternity by now?
How come Hitler was alive, a real person, and therefore his evil actions inescapbale....... what cruel fate to be created Hitler (and may he rest in peace, he's had enough hate spread his way) .... and what fortunate fate to be created a spiritually pure monk.
How does one lifetime yielding an eternal outcome make any sense at all, given how unfree the human is?
or are politicians and dictators figments of our imagination?
-------------------- Om bhur bhuvaha swaha tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi, dhiyo yonah prachodyat.
We meditate upon that supreme light , the source of all creation, may it illumine our intellects and bring us eternal life.
I think heaven and hell turned into a mind control thing. "If you follow our instructions, then you'll be in heaven for eternity, but if you're bad, then you go to hell." Does anyone see it like this too?
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