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    #5587586 - 05/03/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

would like to know everyones fav recipe for casing mix and how they layer it.

i am having no luck finding verm thow but maybe someone will start stocking it soon with summer here.

ive never done a casing before but from what i read i basicly just put a small layer of casing mix on bottom of a tin pan then put in my spawn, then cover with a few inchs more of casing mist till top layer is moist then cover with foil. mist daily if soil get dry. this sound currect or do i need to read tons more lol god i get tired of searching thow.


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Re: best casing mix? [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #5587611 - 05/03/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I use 60/40 verm/coir with a good handfull of crushed oyster shell for long term buffering. I have heard that verm/peat might be a bit better but i have no complaints with the coir.

Verm is tough to find in stores nowadays your best bet is to just order a big bag online it's cheap enough.

casing is super easy and of great benefit. Put just enough to cover the bottom of container, add sub, then 1/2 to 3/4 inch on top no more than that.

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #5588885 - 05/04/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

mixture of coco coir and verm - cant go wrong and its dead easy


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Re: best casing mix? [Re: Zen Peddler] * 1
    #5588902 - 05/04/06 02:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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mixture of coco coir and verm - cant go wrong and its dead easy




I disagree...It's easy...but...

Check this out

And this

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI] * 1
    #5588909 - 05/04/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im trying a mixture right now....2.5% bloodmeal
5% hydrated lime
10% gypsum


1/2 cup hydrated lime
10 cups peat
1/4 cup bloodmeal
1 cup gypsum

Mix well with water to field capacity
Add 10 cups of verm at field capacity

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI] * 1
    #5588925 - 05/04/06 02:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So far all the pros. are leaning towards  peat/verm. vs. coir and verm.

(This are some exerpts taken from BH's experiement)

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hyphae said:
I'm a peat based man through and through and haven't read this thread yet for some reason? Anyway I'll read through it and see if it sways my thinking at all. I hope it will at least reinforce my love love for the peat microclimate which IME is superior. 




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I think coir will suffer on the later flushes. I bet its equal in the beginning but watering could be difficult with the thick colonization. It will be an interesting experiment, be sure to track more than the first flush. I usually fruit it earlier than peat, works for me. As long as you have bits of the surface area clear of mycelium, you can water and it will soak into the rest. I think water content, and ability to re-hydrate the casing will have the biggest impact on yield differences. Scratching will also have a small to major impact on fruiting and is really unnecessary. Cubensis will form pins through the overlay. When you scratch you are cutting off the flow of nutrients to the surface and destroying hyphal aggregates or future pin sites. When you do this it takes the mycelial network time and energy to recover, thus affecting yield.

This casing exhibited some of the worst overlay I have ever experienced. It was layer upon layer...


It fruited fine eventually with a patch case dusting...


Good luck with your experiment!




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Joshua said:
Excellent work!!

I will have to reconsider other types of casing mixes.

Thank you.

Joshua




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For quite some time now, I've been including coir in my substrate mixes.  I believe it's better suited as a substrate than as a casing material. Most importantly however, the problem is the cost.  Compared to manure, compost, straw, etc., coir is very expensive.  Coir is not suited to be a casing material unless mixed(diluted) with verm, as was done in Blue's experiments.  In my opinion as well, peat is a better casing material, and it's what I've switched back to.  Another point is not to sterilize peat or coir in a pressure cooker.  Part of what helps initiate pinning is bacteria in the casing layer.  If you sterilize it, you lose this feature. Best to pasteurize only. One more point.  My research has shown that it is not only unnecessary, but counterproductive to 'incubate' the casing layer.  If you case when the substrate is 90% or so covered with mycelium, the myc is growing rapidly and will infiltrate the casing even if you expose to fruiting conditions immediately after applying the casing layer.  I've found that if I apply casing, then leave uncovered and exposed to light(which I do from day one, by the way) overlay is never a problem, but the myc colonizes enough of the lower casing to be able to transfer moisture into the substrate. This also leaves a bit of uncolonized casing material to provide all those little 'humid micro-environments' to stimulate pinning.  I actually get pissed off when the myc pokes through the casing, even a little bit. 
Very nice experiments. Thanks for sharing.




Ok, so maybe you won't have to read the links now :rolleyes:

tc and gl

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: FungusMan] * 1
    #5588928 - 05/04/06 02:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've used coir/verm for the last year , and after switching to 50/50+ , can honestly say coir/verm sucks IMO.

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: FungusMan] * 1
    #5588936 - 05/04/06 02:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Im trying a mixture right now....2.5% bloodmeal
  5% hydrated lime
10% gypsum


1/2 cup hydrated lime
10 cups peat
1/4 cup bloodmeal
1 cup gypsum

Mix well with water to field capacity
Add 10 cups of verm at field capacity




Agar awhile back told me  that Some blood meal is :thumbup:. As well as gypsum, I haven't tried it yet.

Gl to you :cheers:

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: IGnosticAbhorI] * 1
    #5588947 - 05/04/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

FungusMan said:
Im trying a mixture right now....2.5% bloodmeal
  5% hydrated lime
10% gypsum


1/2 cup hydrated lime
10 cups peat
1/4 cup bloodmeal
1 cup gypsum

Mix well with water to field capacity
Add 10 cups of verm at field capacity




Agar awhile back told me  that Some blood meal is :thumbup:. As well as gypsum, I haven't tried it yet.

Gl to you :cheers:

-Gnostic




Thanx bro. I got the recipe from RogerRabbit.

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #5589155 - 05/04/06 06:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is the mix suggested to me by Agar, I have been using it with no issues. And my pinsets have been great.

1 cup oyster shell flour
5 tablespoons (level) hydrated lime
4 quarts peat
4 quarts Verm
1 quart coir (hydrated).
Distilled water enough to hydrate the mix to field capacity.

Field capacity being fully saturated
(without much water pooling beneath).
When you pick up a handful, it doesn?t drip.
But, when given a gentle squeeze, it drips a few drops.

Nuke mixture in plastic bag, 3.33 minutes, 3 times.
Bag should be closed with rubber band.
Not tight, so steam can escape.
(wear oven mitts when handling hot bag.)
Seal tight with another rubber band.
Allow to set overnight to cool - before use.

The ph should be tested with litmus strips (or a probe) & be around 7.2 to 7.5. But, if you have none, it should be in the ballpark


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Re: best casing mix? [Re: Darkenshroom] * 1
    #5589180 - 05/04/06 06:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

does anyone know anything about using Bat guanos or kelp meal or any other organic nutes?

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Re: best casing mix? [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #5589183 - 05/04/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
then cover with a few inchs more of casing mist till top layer is moist then cover with foil. mist daily if soil get dry. this sound currect or do i need to read tons more lol god i get tired of searching thow.



ok first... soil is a no go with me but some have success using it.

second... few inches more... no way. 1/8 - 1/4 inch at most.

third... mist even if it isn't too dry. mushies are roughly 90% water so they will need as much as they can get without oversaturating it.

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bat guano is a no-no with this hobby. to potent, good for plants but usless here. if you want an extra kick to you psilocybin then add a teaspoon of bloodmeal to ten pound of substrate.

good luck and i hope this helped.

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