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 LynxRufus
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 Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5261388 - 02/03/06 11:39 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't show validity, or reliability, either way with your approach. It won't show whether or not it will or will not work. That was what I was trying to say. Any way you cut it, no validity. no reliability. no replicability. not science. It's not a "litmus test" of anything.
And your statement that there would be no more silver in it than mineral water... uhhhhhh, no. You need to think that out and learn about the life cycle and functioning of the fungi before posting such things. Not to be rude here, mind you, but that is just plain silly. And you have to think about the safety of others who may choose to get onboard with your experiment. If that statement were true it would be safe to say that the level of silver in your experiment would be EQUAL TO OR LESS than naturally present in mineral water (see text Mycelium Running by Stamets). And if that was the case then this experiment is moot cause a lot of people use standard mineral water already.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: LynxRufus]
#5263210 - 02/04/06 03:19 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't understand how you might get the idea that colloidal silver would kill spores/bacteria/virus, yet leave Psilocybe mushroom spores/mycelium alone.
Does colloidal silver kill other molds/fungii?
Take an LC and inject some colloidal silver into it to see if that kills the mycelium.
Take an LC solution with colloidal silver in it that has not been sterilized otherwise, and inject it with a couple CCs of spores.
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BigPete1999
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: Hoss]
#5269167 - 02/06/06 10:48 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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A) there is a difference between silver that happens to be in water and colloidal silver. HUGE DIFFERENCE. We're talking 6th grade science level education here. Not to slam you, but just think about what a colloid is... thats as far as you need to think it.
Anyways, there is a reason it's called an experiment. without doing stuff like this, we'd get nowhere.
Ohh, and I'm really busy, sorry for the lack of pictures. my life has next to no free time in it. I'll get them up soon I sWear.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5271484 - 02/06/06 08:38 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushrooms have been known to eat holes in aluminum foil, but magic colloids are safe? Is there some property about colloidal particles that I don't know about? Hmmmm..... Gee, I cant seem to remember back to 6th grade. Please explain this phenomena!
It is an experiment and Im not dissing your idea or the fact that your doing this. In fact I congratulate you on it. I was just pointing out probs in your design that you could maybe work on later. Good luck with it, and I hope that, in the future, you can listen to the people who disagree with you as well as you listen to those who tell you your right. (...and you might be surprised at what level of science education some us shroomerites have...)
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: LynxRufus]
#5271542 - 02/06/06 08:51 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
LynxRufus said:
Mushrooms have been known to eat holes in aluminum foil
Uh... that's news to me. You gotta link?
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: shroomydan]
#5271690 - 02/06/06 09:21 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen it discussed in more places than this, but can't find / remember. Luckily this was recent and could find it at mycotopia. Read through and look for Rodger Rabbits post.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=7108
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: shroomydan]
#5272014 - 02/06/06 10:58 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can see the mycelium eating through the aluminum in this pic:
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: Rahz]
#5272585 - 02/07/06 07:43 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I personally agree with Rodger, using those tins may not be healthy and may not be worth the risk to use them. Thanks for that pic Rahz, it's a great example. This topic is really deserving it's own thread in the cult forum so that more people know about it. I will post something.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: LynxRufus]
#5274077 - 02/07/06 03:31 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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re; my comments on P.5 of JaguarWarrior's thread on the subject.
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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: Silverwolf]
#5288308 - 02/11/06 09:39 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry for the delay in posting guys.
Ok, apparently the mycilium stopped growing. Not too much has grown, and it has stopped. This is confusing me. I mean, if the CS allowed it to grow, why is it stopping now? Then I'm thinking that I noticed the growth when I was away and just let it sit for 2-3 days. Once I got back, I started aggitating it to make sure I got even myc growth. I'm thinking that the CS might not have been thoroughly spread out in the LC, thus allowing the myc growth, and once I started aggitating it, it mixed in and spread out and it acted like a really good funguside, thus killing the myc growth...
I guess I'll do a few more tests for all you guys who are wanting control tests etc... I'll do the following (on sunday) if you think of more, let me know.
#1 medium made normal way with normal spores injected
#2 medium made normal way with CS spores injected
#3 medium made with CS instead of water with normal spores injected
#4 medium made with CS instead of water with CS spores injected
if you guys think of more, let me know... congrats Lynx, you got your wish.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]  1
#5294903 - 02/13/06 12:52 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pete, I'd just like to say thanks for doing these tests. I'd also like to say that I haven't read more stupid questions or pointless discussion in an advanced thread in a long time! Just don't get fed up, if somebody asks you again why you are doing this, just ignore them, they can go away, or take the 30 seconds to read the whole thread!
Anyway, I'm really interested here. I played with colloidal silver a little years ago, which I think I may have mentioned to you in a previous thread. I never really got around to doing anything more than just playing here and there. I also have no idea whether the silver was truly colloidal or if it was made by electrolisis. I had no idea there was a difference.
Anyway, I'd be interested in knowing the concentrations of silver involved. It would be a good idea to keep track of it. If you really used straight colloidal silver for the spore solution, the liquid solution, and to treat all substrates from there up, that seems like it could be a lot of silver that could indeed be concentrated by the mycellium. Say you used a total of 200 mL of CS to produce a few grams of shrooms, IF cubensis is capable of concentrating the silver, eating the shrooms could be equivalent to drinking 200mL of CS at a time. These thoughts should indeed be considered rather than just dismissing them. But aside from that, it may also be helpful to know if the myc could withstand dilute solutions. Like bleach for example. If you dip a cake in 100% bleach, you will no doubt kill it. But dilute the bleach and you have a solution which does no harm to the fungus, which is still an effective sanitizer for contams.
Along these lines, it might be easier to start with the assumption that too much CS is indeed bad and work your way up rather than down. This would be much easier to do on agar if you have it. You could quickly and easily make several dozen agar plates with varrying concentrations of CS which you inoculate with spores or mycellium. In this way you can see at what levels germination, growth, and contamination are affected. (If you don't have/want to get agar, then perhaps even just BRF paste would work here) The many different culture would also help reduce the fluke faiures that happen from time to time. I think it'd be a better use of your time than just an "all or nothing" experiment, but it'd be easier than actually setting up an experiment suitable for academic publication, which is a level of scientific rigor rarely needed outside of academia.
Keep up the work.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: mycofile]
#5303420 - 02/15/06 01:50 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry but this about the dumbest shit i have seen in some time i guess thats why none of the guys i look to for insite and advice have any thing to say about this patchouli whereing after birth eating crap i only wish i had just skipped it and not read the whole damn thing and at this point i am sure you wish i had too.
1. the only contamnet i ever really see is that small white fungus in jars and thrachoma or what ever the green meany both of these are fungus so how do you think its going to kill one and not the other.
i mean who gets wet spot offton ?
2.drinking sliver is about as dumb as back in the 20s when people had radeum bowls and would drink radeoactive water to kill germs and make you healthly and give you more energy/ , IF there where any benafet to this we all would use it! ( and then you say but the drug companys and rich white guys dont want us to have it bla bla) and i say really well what about in countrys with socalized medicine like canada or china if it worked it could save them huge amounts of money, keep that in mind folks next time you hear about a wounder cure (2nd oldest con in the book)
thay will tell you the drug companys dont want you to have bla bla , but if thay dont use it in a communist country and its a cheaper altrnative its total bull shit.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: Dem_Bones]
#5303952 - 02/15/06 04:49 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're right about one thing, you should have just skipped it.
Dick.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5305614 - 02/16/06 05:09 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cs will alow many organisims to grow
none of which i would allow near a mico lab
the best that will happen is you will experience some replacement reactions that will produce some nasty silver nitrate
and many other silver salts
dont eat the shrooms if any survive, which is doutfull
and dont drink the siver anymore people,
the FDA even wants you to stop doing stupid things by banning the stuf over the counter
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: noxy]
#5308414 - 02/16/06 06:46 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Youe believe the FDA? They probably kill more people per year then all the murderers in the USA combined.
Keep up with the experiments, i have used CS for many years on everything from sore throats to salves for my animals and i truley believe it works great...answer me this, why would band-aid add silver to their antibiotic band-aid line if it was a bunch of crap?
Viva La CS!
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P.S. Here is the link to the silver bandages in case you dont believe me! http://www.elastoplast.ca/index.php?p=63&lang=2
Also they use silver to filter urine for astronauts in space.
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Edited by GregHimself (02/16/06 06:49 PM)
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: GregHimself]
#5308590 - 02/16/06 07:31 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Am I missing something? Why would colloidal silver be a preferable colloid to a multi-mineral colloid (incidentally a multi-mineral colloid created by the same process as the colloidal silver I mentioned earlier is available).
Ah (doh !!) you want an anti-contaminant not a nutrient!!! But I wonder would a multi-mineral colloid serve as a form of anti-contaminant if used as nutrient? Worth considering.
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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
Edited by Silverwolf (02/18/06 06:50 AM)
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: Silverwolf]
#5370406 - 03/06/06 09:54 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silver is fine. FDA bad....MANY Dr.s - retard or criminal...word!
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: curenado]
#5399325 - 03/14/06 01:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its nice, that someone tries new things, but this is just plain stupid.
How does CS work?
How does our fungus work?
These two questions can be answered through one or maybe two hours of reading.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: Pinx]
#5434989 - 03/23/06 02:51 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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OMG
Why dont you just water some pins or mushrooms that are growing.
Mushrooms are simply made up of water and COMPRESSED MYCELIUM. If its bad it will kill the pins or the mushrooms.
Just my thoughts.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: capnstemz]
#11498721 - 11/21/09 12:04 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm bringing this post back from the dead because this warrants further experimentation. I just skimmed through the thread but didn't see the OP post the final results. I started a thread on this I'll post all my experiments there.
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