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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Silversoul]
    #5446805 - 03/27/06 10:02 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: RateLimitEnzyme]
    #5446831 - 03/27/06 10:13 AM (18 years, 6 days ago)

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A common misconception is that "blue balls" is a myth propagated by young men solely as an excuse to pressure an unwilling woman into sexual activity. While they may use it as an excuse to such an end, the blue balls phenomenon is real.




god bless wikipedia.. :lol:


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Silversoul]
    #5450023 - 03/28/06 05:56 AM (18 years, 5 days ago)

"those ancients didn't have the scientific knowledge we have today"

Well in China they studied life energy as an empirical science for thousands of years hence the drawings of life energy channels aka acupuncture charts.

In England/America life energy as a subject still isnt understood by prehaps most scientists, so the type of scientific knowledge is what I am pulling into question here.
If I studied mongolian fleas for years and challenged your understanding of african monkeys when I hadnt studied them, my scientific knowledge - vast or not, would not be useful.

I respect China's understanding of life energy for many reasons heres one: my friend went to Beijing to do balle and damaged her foot badly and had to pull out, a Qigong(science of life energy) master healed her foot with life energy and it was completely healed so that she could carry on with the balle .
Actually she learnt this cool stance from the Chinese where you cant be pushed over, she showed me when she was pregnant I couldnt unbalance her despite the fact that I am quite strong and she is a small lady - I think they call it 'unmovable mountain' .

Anyway fucking like peace out and stuff  - :rocket: !


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
    #5451531 - 03/28/06 02:35 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

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A common misconception is that "blue balls" is a myth propagated by young men solely as an excuse to pressure an unwilling woman into sexual activity. While they may use it as an excuse to such an end, the blue balls phenomenon is real.




god bless wikipedia.. :lol:




It's no myth! I'm not saying it is a reason to pressure women into something they don't want to do, but check this story out:

I've been hooking up with this girl for the last few weeks. She initiated it, and has even started to refer to when she comes to my apartment as "booty calls". We don't hang out unless one of us is horny.

But the weird thing is she doesn't want to have sex or oral sex or anything. She doesn't seem interested in giving or receiving orgasms. She slept over the other night and we messed around for a long time and got nekkid and all, and I was like "look we might as well get off if we're going to have a strictly sexual relationship" but she didn't want to so we just hooked up for hours until we passed out. I had some serious blue balls, if I hadn't been drunk I probably wouldn't have been able to fall asleep.

Then, while we were sleeping, naturally I had an awesome wet dream, and immediately woke up to find I had just came all over her ass. She got really upset, but what could I do besides laugh and hand her a towel? If you're going to get the balls all worked up like that they're going to take care of themselves.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5451706 - 03/28/06 03:23 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

haha no im not denying it, but whoever wrote that entry in wikipedia was, how you say.. less than scientific about it.

honestly, its awesome that "blue balls" even gets its own entry, and its not forwarded to a medical condition or something else.

btw, your story... :lol:


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
    #5453607 - 03/28/06 11:26 PM (18 years, 5 days ago)

I can't find it now, but someone said that masturbation was a perfectly natural thing to do...and I wondered if it is ACTUALLY a natural thing to do.

I have never personally seen an animal jerk himself off. I would kick my dog's ass if he was doing that!

We are also more frequently exposed to sexual stimuli (ie. television, magazines, internet, etc.) than say, Bambi in the middle of the forest. Thank god too, cause I don't want to be stepping in his man juice when I'm walking the woods.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: robmac9090]
    #5453899 - 03/29/06 03:06 AM (18 years, 4 days ago)

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I have never personally seen an animal jerk himself off.




monkies are well known for uncontrollabling masturbating, and if youve never seen a dog hump someones leg, or a couch, or whatever.. then you probably just never had a dog.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: kotik]
    #5455010 - 03/29/06 12:34 PM (18 years, 4 days ago)

Goats, kangaroos, horses, porcupines, dogs, monkies, bulls, and sheep are some of just a few animals that find ways of getting themselves off.

Once again here is a great wikipedia quote:

I am informed by a gentleman who is a recognized authority on goats, that they sometimes take the penis into the mouth and produce actual orgasm, thus practicing auto-fellatio. As regards ferrets ... "if the bitch, when in heat, cannot obtain a dog [ie, male ferret] she pines and becomes ill. If a smooth pebble is introduced into the hutch, she will masturbate upon it, thus preserving her normal health for one season. But if this artificial substitute is given to her a second season, she will not, as formerly, be content with it." [...] Blumenbach observed a bear act somewhat similarly on seeing other bears coupling, and hyenas, according to Ploss and Bartels, have been seen practicing mutual masturbation by licking each other's genitals.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: moog]
    #9711323 - 01/31/09 11:26 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I've learned through experience and intuition that semen holds a lot of  chi. I've tried to give up sex/masturbation so many times to try to build up and put my chi to better use, but could never do it. I just get really tense and i get angry at the littlest things after just 2 days without cumming. If someone could tell me how to get past this stage and calm down somehow maybe i could go longer.




To get past this stage do Om meditation for at least 5 minutes a day. Basically sit in a chair and whisper om outloud. Om meditation helps one to be calm.

Saying a mantra on mala beads(108 beads in a mala rosary) one time around helps one to avoid the bad habit of masturbation. Its good for a mantra to be more than 1 word long.

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    #9713401 - 01/31/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: dr_gonz]
    #9713842 - 01/31/09 07:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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dr_gonz said:
nam meoho renge kyo




What do those words mean? If you don't mind saying

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    #9713853 - 01/31/09 07:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: dr_gonz]
    #9713890 - 01/31/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That's an interesting mantra. At first I thought it might be native american.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: lines]
    #9714136 - 01/31/09 08:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

My two cents: No hard science here, just things I suspect.

Blue balls: a response to the expectation of sex, generally in the presence of an ovulating female. There are pheromones involved. Smell the woman, develop great expectations.... and nothing. Arrgh!!

Ejaculation: Moderation :thumbup: At the same time, it seems that this function is more complex than keeping sperm count at a specific level. Sperm are re-absorbed by the body, so in theory there's no reason why withholding ejaculation for any amount of time is inherently "bad". Rather, there is a primal instinct to fuck, and while masturbation plays a part in keeping that function in check, I think it's possible to turn that switch off. Not saying I've found it, just that it's possible.

One person may go for years without any adverse affects, while another person experiences building anxiety which can lead to poor health. What's the difference? It seems that the subconscious desire to fuck being un-met results in tension, and this has nothing to do with sperm levels. Rather, there is a "switch" in the mind. If a person can cut off their sexual lust, not ejaculating wouldn't be a problem.

There was a post I read a couple months back on another message board, this guy explained how he was told masturbation was bad as a teenager, and abstained until his early 20's, 5-6 years no release whatsoever. Didn't cause him any problems. He was seduced one night, fucked the girl for several hours, masturbated in the shower, went home, masturbated for several more hours and went to sleep with a hard-on. :shocked:

I also suspect that there is only a loose relationship between sperm levels and chi. I honestly don't think sperm production is that energy intensive. A person can expend 1000 calories at some other activity and feel great, or they can ejaculate too much and feel "drained". It is not a problem of energy, rather chi is a result of body chemistry based on current sperm levels. Biologically, a guy needs to be "ready" at all times and a loss of sexual desire (low chi) keeps a man from fully depleting his reserves. Some younger guys can do it several times a day without any problems. Their balls are creating lots of sperm. However, if they were to double their habit (not a suggestion), they too would experience low energy levels. Everyone has their limit, and a loss of chi is just a response to being close to empty.


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #9715679 - 02/01/09 02:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Great post + i agree with the original poster.

I find it very hard to abstain, and have been looking at pornography lately and have trouble cutting it out... Although i do intend to... soonish...

I dont think masturbation or sex is inherently bad, but i think it is often done for the wrong reasons + i have experience using both for the wrong reasons. Thus i have an uncertain view of both - i lean towards wanting to control myself inorder to redefine my relationship with them.

Easier said than done.

OP - i too find increased vitality when withholding.

I notice many negative thought patterns and even physical traits when i view pornography..


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    #9715920 - 02/01/09 06:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: dr_gonz]
    #9740473 - 02/05/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Masturbation in itself is not bad, as it takes in electromagnetic energy. What's actually debilitating to the spiritual practitioner is the orgasm, not the act of sex or masturbation. The orgasm unleashes your stored sexual energy, wasting it instead of transmuting it into trans-formative energy for the purpose of raising the kundalini or channeling it through other energy centers in your body. So to put it simple, the more you ejaculate, the less energy you have, the dimmer your aura is, and the weaker your psychic impression on others is.

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: Eviander]
    #9741855 - 02/05/09 04:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Lines, I have been enjoying your insights, keep em coming.

So here are some of my thoughts:

The energetic qualities of ascetic practice are worth pondering, whether it is bramacharya or periodic fasting. (naturally people say similar things about fasting; as both are very much substance and energy oriented disciplines) I suspect that these energies are in a western/"scientific" sense, "metaphorical". For instance, I highly doubt that there is some observable source of energy in the substance of sperm, that you could maybe fuel a lawn mower with a few drops of. So it is either "metaphorical", or from another viewpoint, concerns the mind and body as an open dynamic.

Sex is as taboo as psychedelics, and I think it makes sense that it is as significant of a tool in human terms. I do not believe either mushrooms or abstinence is an end to a mean. I do not think mushrooms=enlightenment, and I do not think giving up sex is enlightenment. But they are both very much universal, and you might begin to see a karmic world based upon a sex drive.

It seems natural that psychedelics can point us toward this sort of practice. I have always been frustrated with the shift from pseudo-enlightenment to being "down". Another stark reality that runs exactly parallel, is the sex drive. (I don't think I have ever been horny while tripping.)

Biologically, everything runs on sex, but it is conceivable to get through the day without it. Isn't this incredibly significant? I think mostly everyone has pondered giving "it" up, but what is it that always overrides this curiosity? As it is the case with any addiction, it is easy to be convinced that reason overrides.

Bramacharya is alot like shamanic practice. Don't let someone who has never experienced this trip (including yourself) convince you of anything.

PS glad to see others taking these ideas seriously

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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: daytripper23]
    #9742435 - 02/05/09 05:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

All I know is that when I don't masturbate, I experience significantly increased energy, and a much better mood.
It has nothing to do with guilt, I don't feel guilty about it.

I always slip back into masturbating though, thinking "oh it won't be like that again" and then I feel dumb when it is, like always :crazy2:


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Re: Cum = Concentrated life energy : Masturbation = V.Bad [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #9746650 - 02/05/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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All I know is that when I don't masturbate, I experience significantly increased energy, and a much better mood.
It has nothing to do with guilt, I don't feel guilty about it.

I always slip back into masturbating though, thinking "oh it won't be like that again" and then I feel dumb when it is, like always :crazy2:




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