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MG extract with denatured alcohol
    #5380215 - 03/09/06 03:40 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

any chance this wont evaporate cleanly?


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5380765 - 03/09/06 10:32 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Yes, for example if it is denatured with denatonium.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Pinback]
    #5380877 - 03/09/06 11:08 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

uhhh
im not sure whats in it.
the brand is Tendo's and at the description bit it says 'spiritus ketonatus fortior', does that mean anything usefull?

any way to tell if my extract is clean or not?
there is a distinct smell to this alcohol, could i use smell to know if its clean enuff?


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5380953 - 03/09/06 11:35 AM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Another common denaturant is MEK (methyl ethyl ketone), so maybe "ketonatus fortior" means that this and/or other ketones are added. Most simple ketones will evaporate rather fast.

If you dip your fingertip in the alcohol, let it dry, and lick on it, and it tastes very (!) bitter, the alcohol likely was denatured with denatonium.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Pinback]
    #5381148 - 03/09/06 12:32 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

nope no extreme bitterness...
anything else i should be weary of?


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5381251 - 03/09/06 12:58 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Why not just put some in a very clean glass, let it evap and hold to the light to check for residues?
Maybe fill it full of water after you check it for deposits, a skin could possibly form.
That seems like it would be the best method.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Jaeger]
    #5381271 - 03/09/06 01:00 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

mmm so no residue means im 100% safe?


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5381280 - 03/09/06 01:03 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

100% is a big number :smile:
I would think that you should be fine.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Jaeger]
    #5382231 - 03/09/06 05:21 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Those are the tests that i ran, it should be fine. After you extract it, smell and see if it smells like denatured alcohol.


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: drSE]
    #5383116 - 03/09/06 09:26 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

Is denatured alcohol ISO? or like Everclear? Sorry, im kind of incompetent right now

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: AKSE]
    #5383475 - 03/09/06 10:50 PM (18 years, 23 days ago)

mmm now that were on the subject, id like to know that too,
and also what are realy the differences between ethanol, methanol etc.

everything is just called 'alcohol' here, so i have no idea what to make of it.


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5383877 - 03/10/06 12:27 AM (18 years, 23 days ago)

i just soaked the leftover seed mush with water just to see if anything was left in there.

i notice that the stuff i got with the alcohol is very yellow,
but the water is very brown, and after evaprotating the product is
also very brown, like coffee kinda.

so what did i get?


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5386967 - 03/10/06 06:45 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

ISO alcohol? If so then you have the LSA containing extract in the evaporated part, and the nausia/strick nine crap in the water. Throw water away.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: AKSE]
    #5387819 - 03/10/06 11:55 PM (18 years, 22 days ago)

alrighty, so what would you say is a medium dose of my extract?

im left with 0.6 gr.
is that enuff for a dose?


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393380 - 03/12/06 08:59 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

You soaked in the water first and then the alcohol, right?

How many seeds did you use in the extraction?

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: AKSE]
    #5393561 - 03/12/06 09:44 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

no that would end up with all the actives in the water.

i washed with acetone, then extracted with alcohol,
then later i decided to throw some water on the seedmush just to see what happens.

i had about 30 seeds to extract, but they were mixed verieties with some none actives in there, so theres not much i could say about yield...


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393604 - 03/12/06 09:57 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Well I wouldn't bother dosing with that small amount...

Next time use 300-500 seeds and I'm sure youll get a bigger/more potent yield

So you soaked in ISO for ??? time and then took the seed mush and soaked it in water for ??? time and evaporated that off and that's what left your yield?

I seem to be a little mixed up on the extraction process.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393619 - 03/12/06 10:00 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

well first i soaked in acetone for 24 hrs, then strained and flushed with some more acetone, dry the mush, then soak in alcohol for 24 hrs
and strained and flushed with some more alcohol.

and im pretty sure i had about 30 grams wich should translate to about
1200+ seeds.
the end result was 0.8 gr. of yellow stuff.


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393643 - 03/12/06 10:13 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Oh 30g, you said 30 seeds at first lol

Well that deffinitly seems like enough for a dose, I'll leave the actual dosing decisions up to you though! Report back and let us know how it goes

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393653 - 03/12/06 10:17 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

well im gonna have to wait for a wile, im kinda depressed right now
(women, need i say more?) but i devided it into 4 caps for incremental dosing...

also i already sowed for this year, heavenly blue, Perly Gates and Rivea corymbosa.


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393664 - 03/12/06 10:24 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

You know, I never really understood what 'sow'ed means. Is it just another name for germinate? All the seeds that it has said to sow, I've just thrown in a pot with soil and they end up sprouting in four or five days.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393671 - 03/12/06 10:27 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

yup thats what sowing means , make a hole, throw in seeds and water :smile:

germinate on the other hand only describes the process of the seed itself, wether done is soil or in water etc.


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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5393677 - 03/12/06 10:30 PM (18 years, 20 days ago)

I have some Heavenly Blue that I will be starting soon, I'll hopefully move them outside later in the year.  I have some greek oregano and catnip plants started as well.

I soon would like to start growing some Lions Tail and Valerian. :rockon:

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: AKSE]
    #5394009 - 03/13/06 12:24 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

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AKSE said:
Is denatured alcohol ISO? or like Everclear? Sorry, im kind of incompetent right now




Denatured alcohol is a mix of ethanol and methanol.

Ethanol is the exact same thing as alcohol that you would drink, chemical compound is CH3CH2OH.

Methanol is sometimes found in alcohol that wasn't brewed or distilled properly. Methanol will make you go blind or kill you if you drink it, chemical compound is CH3OH.

It's only a difference of 1 carbon in the chain between getting drunk or going blind/dying. Crazy

If you're thinking about drinking denatured alcohol: Don't. You'll get drunk, but you will go blind and/or die.

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Re: MG extract with denatured alcohol [Re: Gumby]
    #5394133 - 03/13/06 01:07 AM (18 years, 20 days ago)

Denatured only means that it is made undrinkable; it says nothing about the added substances.

The most common denatured alcohol here contains, apart from ethanol: methyl ethyl ketone, acetone, ethyl acetate and denatonium benzoate. But I'm sure you are correct in that there are varieties with added methanol as well.

As a curiosity, a treatment for methanol poisoning is a steady supply of ethanol. The higher concentration and affinity for alcohol/aldehyde dehydrogenase for ethanol over methanol makes most of the methanol to be disposed of unmetabolized. This is a good thing, because the really harmful metabolite of methanol is formic acid, whose formation is hindered.

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