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 BigPete1999
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 Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun.
#5242084 - 01/30/06 12:19 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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So the Colloidal Silver experiment has officially begun. I will be doing a number of tests, these include
#1 Making a spore syringe using colloidal silver as the medium
#2 Making a PF Cake using colloidal silver instead of water for moisture
#3 Making a Liquid Culture using the colloidal silver spores
#4 Welling into the cake with colloidal silver to keep moisture high
#5 See if any mushrooms grown have any added or loss of potency from using the silver.
I decided to do a PF cake because it is a lot smaller to waste in case the spores don't survive. No sense in making a casing if it doesn't work.
I'll take pictures along the way. There is no sense in taking a pic of the syringe or making the cake as colloidal silver looks like plain everyday water. But once I get any myc growth in both the cake and the LC, I'll keep a picture log for here. As well as the subsequent mushroom growth.
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BigPete1999
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5242093 - 01/30/06 12:20 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ohh, I forgot, I'll be using Creepers as the strain. It will be probably a BRF/Verm cake... I'm at work right now, but I'll will do it as soon as I get home.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5242578 - 01/30/06 02:29 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whoa hold up. I suggest first off that you post a link or description of colloidal silver. But after a quick googling (I'm behind the times I guess) I found an article about it.
"Long-term use of silver preparations can lead to argyria, a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray"
Are you SURE you want to be eating mushrooms soaked in this stuff?
And last but not least their own advertisment states, "Can kill all disease-causing bacteria, fungi and virus within six minutes of contact."
Why would you want to kill your fungus!
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: DocPsilocybin]
#5242794 - 01/30/06 03:37 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am very interested in this experiment and look forward to your results. We use C> Silver extensively and because we use medical grade silver and make it properly, there are no ill effects...
There was another guy on here hyping the argyria thing, but he couldn't really (or rightly) back it up as it is an old wives tale that comes from using cheap metals and bad preparation. He claimed to be a "Bio Scientist working on cures for cancer!" (yeah, and I'm a nun!) and when his BS was called he resorted to using a puppet and yeah - typical shroomery boob!
Yes! If you get good results it will be VERY exciting!
Best Wishes!
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: curenado]
#5243370 - 01/30/06 05:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria
You think this is a wives tale?
What exactly do you expect to gain from using collodial silver? Less contamination? I don't see any benefits and I think there's a strong possibility it'll just kill your fungi if it lives up to it's reputation as an anti-fungicide.
What benefits of using silver can there be?
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Edited by DocPsilocybin (01/30/06 05:44 PM)
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: DocPsilocybin]
#5243473 - 01/30/06 05:51 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not talking about cheap silver/metal mixes and MIS-use.
All cases of Argyria (Which are all old as it really doesn't happen anymore - people are smarter...) boil down to chinsy preprarers and abuse by users - right silver used right is harmless....
As for half-asses and people who intentionally abuse a thing - who can bother about that?
Millions of users with no argyria can't be wrong....1 or 2 less fortunate folks, well ok, what other thing can you offer besides water that actually has the REAL safety rates of CS? That's what I mean about wive's tales - they are usually not the real or whole truth....
And the real moral of the story is
1) Don't deal with chinsy or half-assed people and
2) Follow directions and abuse nothing to your own harm!
That's pretty simple common sense!
...And the benefit (if it works) is virtually contaminant free growing. I have more concern for the environment if it works than worry for people eating the mushrooms! There wouldn't be any problem with that at all.
You take a small problem among charlatans and abusers and make it seem like that is the reality when it's not. But real sensational sounding though!
And the guy is just doing an experiment to see - try to keep your hair on until we know about this and then you can be president of the alarmist group who doesn't like it -
I really want to know if it will kill psybe and other beneficial fungi, because I already know it kills fungi we don't want but that does not necessarily mean it will kill others...
I am sitting next to a 10 year colloidial silver drinker right this second, and there ain't a blue thing on her (or any of us either)
It has saved fruit trees, birds, dogs, cats and humans for us....it really is good stuff made and used RIGHT.
Wilma (next to me) just said "Gawd! If it was bad for you I'd be dead!"
I can add this if it is any comfort....In emergency cases of gangerous infections, canine parvovirus and limb threatening bacterial infections from deep wounds in ANIMALS, I have used concentrations and doses that were extremely high (50 times the highest human dose I have used?) and niether their eyes nor arses turned a bit blue, BUT consider that these also had physician and student/intern continuous care and fluid support, which I believe to be a contributing risk factor in potential argyria - dehydration, even at the regular level most people walk around with. ALL caregivers use Extra Fluids wherever they use silver - even if it's just in burn cream for topical application.
Whew! Ok - lecture over - sorry to go on.... 
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Edited by curenado (01/30/06 06:02 PM)
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: curenado]
#5243565 - 01/30/06 06:09 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Doc, we have already had this discussion here. Colloidal silver poses ZERO risk of silver poisoning, argyria or anything of the nature. In face, I can almost be that somewhere in the webpage that you got that info from, it states that it has zero bearing on colloidal silver. The biggest silver poisoning site has a HUGE banner at the top that states that the facts have nothing to do with colloidal silver because colloidal silver doesn't cause those problmes.
yes, I know it kills viruses, bacteria, mold, fungus etc... thats why I want to try it. If it doesn't kill fungus in the spore stage, what about the mycilium stage, if not, what about fruiting etc....
Because if it does indeed kill viruses, bacteria etc, then it may lead to the elimination of contamination.
Ok, now also, keep in mind that I will be doing this stuff fairly UN-Sterile.... I mean, what good would this project be if I did it in a sterile invironment. I just made a syringe, pretty much in a clean environment, but nowhere near sterile. And I just injected the honeywater for a LC.
If it does what it claims, then the LC SHOULD produce mycilium that is contam free, even though I did little to keep anything sterile. And the same will be said about the cake.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5243594 - 01/30/06 06:15 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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ohh yeah, and you did mention it curenado, but it is used extensivly in burn cream. And I'm not talking about just going to your local pharmacy and buying a tube of cream, I'm talking in ER rooms and hospitals where you get 3rd degree burn victims and life threatening burn victims. They lather them up in colloidal silver burn cream...... if it caused argyria or anything negative, trust me, they wouldn't use it, let alone pretty much dunk people in the stuff.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5243688 - 01/30/06 06:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, good luck.
If it's reported as a fungicide I don't see why you'd put it anywhere near your mycelium though. Spores might survive but mycelium will definitely die.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: DocPsilocybin]
#5243713 - 01/30/06 06:37 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have to submit that it kills the fungus/blight out of peach trees in 36 hours just from watering heavily with it - you can see a difference in 24 hours.
I know it is really hard on some fungi - I can't say about spores.
I'm still interested. Stranger things have become laws of science before....
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: curenado]
#5244558 - 01/30/06 09:37 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats why we experiment... I think I've remembered reading that it kills simple 1 cell fungus.. not sure what the hell our favorite fungus is, but hopefully it makes it through. Like I've said in other posts in other parts of here, if nobody experimented, nobody would be growing, we'd all just think you had to randomly find these guys growing in the wild.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5244747 - 01/30/06 10:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you know if you have true colloidal silver (microscopic suspended particles) or ionic silver (from electrolysis)?
I have heard that both are sanitizers, but they have different properties.
Making colloidal silver is complicated and requires $expensive$ machines.
Making ionic silver is as simple as connecting a low voltage DC power source (such as 1 or more 9v batteries, or a large flashlight battery) to silver wires, preferably at least 99.999% pure. These wires are reasonably cheap. Insert the + and - wires (don't let them touch) into some distilled water. If you don't see an ion flow, add a pinch of sea salt.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: gourmetgrower]
#5244914 - 01/30/06 11:06 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is actually true colloidal silver. yes, the machine to make it was quite expensive (not my machine naturally)
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5258685 - 02/03/06 09:16 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, I've been sick the last few days, so I haven't been keeping up with my experiment, just kinda letting nature take it's course. Well, today I looked at my LC and low and behold, I see some mycilium growing. I'm using pure honey that my friends dad makes, so it has a bit of grain in it, so you have the myc on the bottom with the grain from the honey kinda shoved aside. I'll post a pic of it later today, probably evening time. Now, I see no contams, which is good because I did everything in not exactly sterile conditions... (i.e.; I used a used needle without cleaning it, got the spores in a non-clean way etc...), so seeing zero contam is amazing. now, some of it could be the honey, but I'm thinking that it's gotta be the silver working against the contams.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5258780 - 02/03/06 09:52 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you saying you are using 100% honey? Like, you have a jar that is only containing honey and spore solution? Why would there be grains in honey, regardless of who made it? If your running an experiment to see if you can grow off silver solution why did you use nonsterile techniques for the first run? Also, if the silver does what your saying it might do, wouldn't it have been better to try LC first, in case it prevents the spores from doing their thing?
Not to be critical, but I'm fairly confused from your last post.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: LynxRufus]
#5258807 - 02/03/06 10:02 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, I'm using pure honey from my friends dads beehive, I have it in water naturally for the medium. But it is still grainy, it isn't pasteurized honey or whatever, it is 100% raw honey, so yes, it does have grain in it. Anyways, the reason I'm doing it in not so sterile environments is because colloidal silver is suppose to kill bacteria and viruses etc... Well, if I did it in a sterile environment, why would I even bother to use the colloidal silver? The only way to see if it really works is to put it's claims to the test. It'd be like driving those damn aquatred tires, you know the ones, they are suppose to sheeth away the water so you grip the road better... well, it'd be like testing the effectiveness of those tires on a dry road... You gotta push the stuff to the limits, hense if colloidal silvers benefit is that it will kill bacteria and viruses, then why not put it to the test by doing things in a clean, but nowhere near sterile environment, that way if you didn't use the silver, there would be a 100% chance of contamination, but now that you are using the silver, if it doesn't contam, then you know that it worked... it COULD be the end of contams as we know it. I have mycilium growth, so hurdle #1 is crossed. Again, tonight I'll post pics.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]  1
#5258952 - 02/03/06 10:50 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess my issue was that you are taking an "all or nothing" approach. So failure would be just that: failure. It won't tell you anything about your experiment, because your not accounting for all of the variables (or as many as you can easily account for). For example, if it doesn't work, was it because a type of contamination was present that silver DOESN'T kill? Did you use too much or too little to have an effect at all? Is this growth replicable, or even mycelium?
Are there control jars you would expect to grow normally (in case spores are, for whatever reason, no good)? . You also need control jars without the silver to account for the chance it has no effect (stating there would be a 100% chance that a jar w/out silver would contam is an empirical claim and needs to be backed up).
If nothing grew in a sterile environment you would at least be able to narrow it down and potentially start again. Or try something different.
It just seems to me that the very first question you need to answer is whether or not spores will germinate in a silver solution. If they do not, would already growing mycelia grow in a silver solution (like if you injected a silver solution into an already growing LC)? After you know those answers, the next logical step would be to introduce contaminates or non-sterile procedures.
Please don't get me wrong, however, as this is still a cool experiment. I am NOT dissing your work. I am just offering pointers on what, in my opinion, would need to be done before any claims can be made for or against silver's use.
I guess I am/was confused by your term "grain". At first I was thinking of pieces of corn, wheat, rye, whatever floating in your honey. You are probably referring to pieces of wax and debris, and not actual "grain".... Right?
Lastly, I would also offer that if everything works out, the "fruit of your labor" needs to be tested for actual silver content before consumption. It's well known that mushrooms condense metals from their surroundings into their fruit bodies.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: LynxRufus]
#5259200 - 02/03/06 12:00 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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what are we trying to acheive by this??? sorry I must have missed something.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: thenewguy05]
#5259626 - 02/03/06 01:59 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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The reason for this experiment is that colloidal silver is suppose to kill all bacteria and all viruses. So the reason for the experiment was to see if
A) spores will be killed by the colloidal silver
B) will mycilium be killed by the colloidal silver
C) if because of the bacterial/virus killing properties of the colloidal silver, will it mean that it will kill possible contams and still keep the spores/myc alive, thus meaning bye bye to having to worry about contams.
D) will it affect the potency of the mushrooms
If you guys read the entire thread, you will see this stuff mentioned multiple times, as well as in the other colloidal silver thread that was in here, it's probably on page 2 or 3 by this time.
I know nobody is dissing my experiment, but the all or nothing approach is what I'm trying to do just because I figure that if there is any validity to this claim, you might as well see if it will perform under harsh conditions before you spend the time to set up 6-10 different simultanious experiments. I dont have the time or the patience to do that if a basic experiment proves that it wont work. Yes I still have spores from the same batch in both distilled water as well as colloidal silver, that way if this passes this basic test, THEN I can start doing control studies.
I guess the whole purpose for this is to make it easier for people to grow shrooms in non-sterile environments, as well as eliminating the chance of contamination. I mean, just imagine if you could fully colonize and grow shrooms without ever having to buy lysol, bleach, never have to use a pressure cooker again, never having to pasteurize anything ever again etc... think of the time it will save, how much easier it will make growing.... But it must pass the basic test before I try to go further with it. I've grown too much for too long to even give give spores that wont work a remote chance. There is ZERO chance of that happening.
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Re: Pete's Colloidal Silver experiment has begun. [Re: BigPete1999]
#5259639 - 02/03/06 02:04 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ohh, and there will be about as much silver in each mushroom as would be if you drank mineral water. So I'd say it's safe. I'm not even gonna test for silver in it. That would be ridiculous.
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