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SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!!
    #5200868 - 01/20/06 12:50 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hey all, I've done Rue once before with mushrooms, but I would like to experiment with Rue by itself. I was wondering about dosage, I can't seem to find any good reliable info from Erowid, they are some reports that say 10grams, and some that say ounces.

Any help or suggestions from people who have used Rue by itself is greatly appreciated! :laugh:

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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5200916 - 01/20/06 01:01 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Proceed with caution...


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5200925 - 01/20/06 01:02 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

This link should pretty much give you all you need to know. Note the conversions at the bottom of the page, as well.

Since the potency of the seeds can vary about 3x (according to Shulgin), it's probably best to start low and work up unless those with more experience testify otherwise (maybe most sources sell a fairly consistent batch?).


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: GulGen]
    #5201033 - 01/20/06 01:22 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

ya reason I ask is because i've done it with shrooms before, only took a teaspoon and had crazy ass effects. But then last night I tried it and I took about 3 teaspoons and had no effects whatsoever. I would like to have a full blown trip though, but thanks for the link i'll try to go over it again.

any other experiences would help too!

thanks guys.


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5201167 - 01/20/06 01:55 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

from what ive read (no experience) you cant trip from a MAOI alone. there useful in combination with some other drugs to increase the effects. Also dangerouse wiuth others definantly check erowid out


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: no1joe]
    #5201175 - 01/20/06 01:56 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Incorrect, read my post, read the Tihkal link.


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5201336 - 01/20/06 02:44 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

3gm seeds (from different vendors) finely powdered consumed in gel-caps will get me pleasantly intoxicated. B. Caapi vine at higher dosages will provide a definate 'trip' with some extreme unpleasantness... still havn't found my optimal dosage with the vine and potency can vary dramatically. Some people have extreme reactions to the seeds, watch your diet restrictions and start low.

(sorry elger, I was replying to orignial poster)


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: namaste]
    #5203615 - 01/20/06 06:53 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

ok first off, sryian rue is ACTIVE by itself. So if you don't know anything about rue please do not respond to this thread. I would like to hear experienced people, or people who have actually done alot of research on the subject.

I would like to thank all the great reply's so far, I believe we need to have more info on syrian rue, and yes, I have checked erowid....I have read lots. Their is not much they have on syrian rue alone, only a couple of pages.

I wanted to do rue tonight, but fuck I'm drinking which sucks.....Syrian rue seems like a very interesting substance too me, and I believe it could become maintstream but I also fear for people who do not take the diatery cautions.


So, i'm asking you, all pyschonauts, please enlighten me on your experiences with Rue when using it alone. I would love to hear your experiences. Like I mentioned earlier I have used it with mushrooms and felt the effects like no other....I would love to have some more information on this topic. Although within the next week I should be able to post a report myself, but I am trying to figure out proper dosage. Thanks anyways guys, hope to hear from ya.


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5203648 - 01/20/06 07:00 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't expect a 'full-blown trip' from syrian rue, more of a pleasant kind of giggly high. I made a tea of approx. 3g. and had a nice high for a couple of hours. Definitely be safe with syrian rue, it can potentially be really bad if the right precautions aren't taken.


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5204280 - 01/20/06 10:42 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Last weekend I extracted 4 grams of Syrian rue seeds into pretty pure crystals. There was hardly any table salt in it because I was really careful. 4 grams should be 4 doses from what I've read. I figured that in the extraction process I would loose some so I divided my yield into thirds and took one third. I ate that third in three smaller doses over an hour. I didn't feel anything at all. Not even any stomach nausea which made me happy. I didn't feel anything at all until i took 150mg of dmt about an hour later. Then I was UBERFUCKED about 10-15 minutes later. To my mind and my body rue does just about jack shit by itself. I seem to be fairly insensitive to psychedelics though. I might have felt something if I would have waited longer, but I'm sure it would have been negligible. Thats my experience.

If you're going to eat rue I would suggest doing an extraction because I hardly had any nausea. I used the vinegar and cold precep tek from erowid. I forget the name. I would be interested in making a smokable tar out of rue. Any suggestions anybody?


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5207180 - 01/21/06 06:41 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I've run Syrian Rue up to 9 grams before, not performing manske.

I experienced massive tracers, and an extremely sedate headchange, and then sleep.  There's no way to explain the tracers.  Maybe equivalent to dosing 10 tabs of good acid, but the headchange is nowhere near the same as with lsd.  Every time I would move my head, my whole field of vision would trace.  Others have run up to this dosage and experienced much stronger results along with nausea and vomiting.  I didn't experience any nausea at all.

Do yourself a favor and perform the manske method on the seeds if you want to use harmine/harmaline at an active dose, the seeds are anti-cholinergic, and the resulting crystals might not produce as much sedation as the seeds themself.

I've never read anything about people trying multiple ounces of syrian rue, save for a few 30 gram reports.  They made me feel a slight sedation at 2 grams, and visual effects started at around 5 grams or so.  The alkaloid concentration is highly variable, as mentioned, so excersize caution! 
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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: Morphrying]
    #5207375 - 01/21/06 07:57 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

rue seeds have other alkaloids besides the "classic harmala" chems...
dr shulgin states that the other stuff may equal the amount of beta-carboline MAOIs (harmine/harmaline)... & many of the other alks are more anti-cholinergics & maybe even uterotonics, etc...

as to a smokable FB --- take the mixed harmala HCl salts from the manske/hasenfratz = vinegar/NaCl method & dissolve into warm/hot dH2O, & then ammonia solution (make sure laundry ammonia is labeled "unscented non-sudsing"!!!) until ppt ceases & chill; the solids are crude harmala FB...
decant &/or filter & wash with ice-cold dH2O & dry well (may be re-crystallized into pretty rhomboids from just enough hot alcohol (did you filter the hot soln?) ---> (dry IPA or high-proof EtOH), cooling & evapping until the goodies Xtal out...
smoking 25-40 mg of this FB powder (or crystal) while dosed and/or dosing on almost anything else (ganj, O, cactus, shroom, even salvia!)will mos' def'ummmm "catch yr attention" (...but by itself mostly tends to be rather sedating & boring unless taken to serious excesses, mmmm?)

or so i have been told, heh...


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: gnrm23]
    #5207657 - 01/21/06 09:43 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks gnrm23! I'll try that. I had such an amazing experience with my harmala hcl salts with dmt I now want to try it with everything! I'll be careful though.


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5208157 - 01/21/06 11:59 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I boiled 20 grams or so of seeds, drank the (horribly nasty) juice. And "tripped" for about 6 hours(?) Yes I puked about 3 times.

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Don't do, Syrian Rue
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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5210126 - 01/22/06 02:24 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

wow thanks for all the feedback guys.

Since so many people don't like Rue, is it the nasuea and vommiting that turns people away from it? Or is their something else about the trip that makes it not a very mainstream drug?


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: sandman_130]
    #5210145 - 01/22/06 02:30 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

It's a little too psychotic, disconnected, and nauseating for me..


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Re: SYRIAN RUE DOSAGE!!! [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5210671 - 01/22/06 05:19 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't be interested in using rue by itself because i would expect to get nasuious if I took 9 grams or something. But also because you have to be so careful about what you eat. If i'm going to all that trouble and sickness I want a top notch experience not just tracers and a mild trippy experience.

Do you want to try it because that is all you have or because you didn't like the mushrooms and rue? I'm kind of hesitant about trying that combo myself although i'm sure i'll try it pretty soon. I've recently just been tripping indoors because its winter and that tends to make it easier for me to get introspective. With dmt and rue so far i don't get introspective at all.


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