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fireworks_god said:
It isn't such that no one really cares, its just that expressing any concern subsequently results in oneself becoming banned.

Tyrants utilize their power to thwart their "opponents". They have no need to address problems raised directly. I do not know of the exact occurence related to this, but I am sure that it follows the exact same pattern that has been revealed every time someone else is forced away in such a manner.

And guess what? This thread is to be declared off-topic, and no doubt Shroomism will be along shortly to lock it. Why? Because this is not the appropriate place to discuss these issues?

And where is this place? We used to think that it would be appropriate within Website Announcements and Feedback, but yet the truth has been revealed to be that there simply is no place in which to express such concerns. We are only alloted to give feedback when it is not negative, or recurrent when no one properly addresses them (when they are ignored, then locked when the thread gets too long and we are all too busy to deal with it, and then banned when they decide they do not like you any more).

Towards what you said concerning care without attachment, I'd like to say that it is a good thing that, while I enjoy participating in this website, I am not attached to it, because it is completely fucked up that immaturity seems to be bountiful within certain individuals who are able to exercise power here. Perhaps even the most potent mushroom could not even begin to dissolve their raging ego. It is pathetic to see some of the most prolific contributors that have greatly benefited this website go in such a pitiful circumstance.


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Veritas said:
Creator?  What is the scientific basis of your claim? Links, please. 

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Quit persecuting his beliefs.  Moderator!!!

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redgreenvines said:
huh?

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MAIA said:


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as well.


Peace.

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psilocyberin said:
what do swami and cervantes have in common here?....

Seems to me that drastic banning actions are taken only when relentless inquisitions are aimed at top mods regarding "complaining about complaining".

Even cervantes buried himself and his "quest" in the side-rails and peripheral arguments. In the end, the entire point for the original argument was lost and swami/cervantes both found themselves arguing about the appropriate actions regarding their own "freedom fighting" tactics, and ceased to "freedom fight" for whatever cause they originally began arguing about.

I dont care one way or the other if cervantes is perma-banned, but lets not climb up on the cross so soon.

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Redstorm said:
I just filled out a support ticket, and I suggest you all do the same. Perhaps this will be more effective than posting in the Feedback Forum.

http://shroomery.org/support/public/index.php

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Thanks Redstorm, I just filled one out.

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I have offered TWO suggestions to FIX THIS PROBLEM.

1. End Shroomery Bias

2. Permaban, when banning with bias, so the drama will stop

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If the admin have taken him up on one of these suggestions, then they are going against their own standards (not allowing members to request a ban for themselves).  As far as I can remember, Geo has not banned a member if they have requested it.  I've even requested it once, and been denied.  So I'm just wondering...why was he perma banned? 

But I've already filled out my support ticket inquiring about that, so if you like, no need to answer, I'll just wait until I get a response. 

Oh, and I'm not sure if I'm putting this across very well, but I don't want to come off sounding bitchy or anything.  I'm just trying to be direct.  I wasn't aware a friend was perma-banned and I'm now concerned about a few things... 

so anyway.    I won't say anymore in this thread about it.

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Icelander said:
So now lets see if you can say something I can understand.

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Sheep are not for sacrificing, they are mindless followers.

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Cerv tried to handle things privately via support tickets. After three days of trying and no reply at all, he went back to WAF and posted a request that his ticket be handled.

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Duh. For a mod, you're remarkably uninformed.

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Or is it because i follow the staff like a sheep ... or is it because i speak freely. Try to understand your inability to objectively discuss this situation, you are not part of the staff and never did. Anything coming from your side regarding such administrative actions is pure and laughable speculation .

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Redstorm said:
Has Cerv every been banned before? If not, the admin who banned him should have been confined by the guidelines of giving a 24 hour ban before giving longer ones. Permabans are reserved for repeat offenders and those guilty of things that
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While we will do our best to be fair, we do reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason

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Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy and/or administrative direction, will be permanently banned.

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Swami said:
All true me boy. Anyone who cares can view the thread that got me permabanned. It is RIGHT HERE:  web page

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Microsoft's website got you permabanned?

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Paradigm said:
Thanks Cervantes, for doing so much for a community that turned its back on you.

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Someone being banned because an admin is being a whiny cunt shouldn't count. Look at the reason for that ban, for fuck's sake.

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Sure ! The whole staff are whiny cunts but one moderator. Heck, they all should be banned 

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Swami said:
Swami, would you care to make a wider selection of accusations ?

All true me boy. Anyone who cares can view the thread that got me permabanned. It is RIGHT HERE:  web page

No need to read the whole thread as it was the opening quote that pissed Wiccan_Seeker off so much that the drastic action of a permaban was 'necessary'. Of course, it is not even my quote, but that of a well-respected author.

Spin THAT, Maia!

Cervantes knew it was total bullshit and his integrity gene got the better of him. He would have to have undergone major surgery to stay on staff. Instead he stayed true to his own moral compass. *gasp* We certainly would not want that in a SPIRITUALITY FORUM moderator.

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As I said long ago I actually got involved in this whole mess supporting the mods. That was an error of judgment on my part.

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Repeat offenders who continue to violate policy...

*yawn*

No offense nor directive was violated and no animals were harmed in the course of my post.

Keep repeating it over and over again and maybe that will make it true... 

Was there a RATIONAL reason given? No!

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Was there a warning given? No! (Well, technically it came AFTER the ban.)

Was there a temporary ban? No!

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Did that irk Cervantes? UBETCHA!

Do people respond favorably to having their pettiness being exposed?  Hmmm...

Hence: Silence the truth-bringer. Pure and simple.

Bye bye, Cerv. You had some balls, my man.

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Pettiness ... truth-bringer ... you sound so absolutely right with your rhetoric don't you ?  I'd humbly say "opinion-bringer". He had an opinion, as anyone else had one, but when such opinion doesn't equate inside your little bubble and it gets burst, you promptly define such people as the evil of the shroomery. More and more rhetoric, more and more waste of time with you and your mindless followers.

You should really get a life away from this board for some time and reflect upon what you're doing. That's what i'd call "having some balls". Besides, the people with balls were the mods, which went through this whole bullshit for the sole purpose to make spirituality a place for everyone, and not just spiritual bashers and trolls who think they are entitled of having his truth as the only truth.

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As I said long ago I actually got involved in this whole mess supporting the mods. That was an error of judgment on my part.

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Drop the mask. Your words of discouragement sent to some moderators are a true indicator of which side you belong. Besides, where's the integrity with playing on both sides ?

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They can be both. Read what you wrote very carefully ... of course mindless followers can be sacrificed. Astonishing what some of you could understand about yourselves if you could solve a simple allegoric argument ...

Who's the worm ?

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You have certainly made it clear that you see Swami as the worm in the great golden apple that is the Shroomery.  Why a worm would have a flock of sheep as followers is unclear, but I supposed a few mixed metaphors are irrelevant compared to the greater issues. 

Perhaps it is clouded from your perspective, but the people you call Swami's "mindless followers," would, by an unbiased observer, be seen as his friends. 

I am done discussing this issue, though.  It was my mistake to imagine that this was a community, rather than a corner bar.  If someone offends the bartender, they get bounced.  That's clear enough.  What I have viewed as unfair banishment of community members is merely the 86-ing of offensive drunks.  'nuff said.

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You especially like to forget or ignore everything you disagree with or that frightens you.

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When instead of dealing with his violations he was banned for personal reasons and posts that were in no way a violation, that's when I first got a inkling that something was wrong on the moderation side.

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The only personal issue involved in this drama is that most S&P mods do know Swami for some time but you obviously don't. We have adapted several times to Swami's likes and dislikes, it has been a minor issue for mods till some time ago when he began posting in a more direct and abrasive way, the trolling, spiritual mockery way. At his point in time we got two options, start a rupture and end the charade once and for all, or keep a smile in our faces while we get fucked. We choose the former , as a matter of fact, moderation action started when Trendal made that post and was promptly trolled by Swami.

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This is the PM i sent Swami after the Trendal incident, i remind you this were the old S&P rules. Tell me if you spot any personal reason for the ban. Facts are clearly and objectively stated. Swami didn't even bother to defend his position but to attack mine, basically his reply to this PM was the usual rhetorical argument, but such info has to be requested to him. Anyway, talking about fear  ...


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"2) No Baiting/Trolling
-- Baiting is a circumstance characterized by one individual attempting to lure others into an argument with subtly incendiary remarks."

Which did happened.
Then you broke rules n.3 and n.4

"3) Be Respectful
-- Moderators set boundaries within a forum, and users set boundaries within the threads they create. When a user sets certain parameters for discussion within their thread, it is the responsibility of other members to respect those boundaries. Please respect the wishes of the poster within their thread(s) and take others feelings into account when posting."

Boundaries were set by Trendal and broken by you.

"4) Keep Posts on Topic
-- Off topic posts will be moved to the appropriate forum. "Derailing" threads by making off-topic posts in someone else's thread is considered a violation of this rule, and in some cases the offending posts may be removed from the thread at the request of the thread creator."

Your posts are technically off-topic. The topic was an experiment, not a discussion about the experiment.




Rules are the same for everyone. But we do know some people for some time, the better we know people, the better we try to adapt to their pros and cons, and then make a better judgment. You are a veteran at S&P and we know every time things like this happen, they will make a swirl over there. I'm trying to be cautious and reasonable at the same time. I still don't know what will happen next, but things will be discussed first in the mod forum and then communicated to you.

"The Rules are inflexible. They are in place to discourage unacceptable behavior at S&P. Disciplinary action will be enforced in accordance with The Rules at the discretion of the moderators. Users found in violation of the rules will be warned, and their actions on each occasion logged. If there is no adjustment after the first warning,the user will be banned temporarily."

You're already past first warning.

Btw, i was communicated by Geo that the notification system wasn't working correctly since the last BB update. You should have received a notification but it seems you didn't ...

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Swami said:
That thread was discussed among the moderators and most of them agreed you were behaving like a prick...

And there you have it folks - PLAIN AS DAY!

I posted a 'quote of the day' from the "Secrets of Life" mailing list that came in my mailbox THAT morning (as it did to Skorpivo and several other members interested in personal growth) as a relevant topic for discussion. ANY CURIOUS MEMBER CAN CHECK THIS OUT.

The conclusion: I was 'behaving like a prick' by MOST moderators for something completely ON TOPIC. There was no rule violation; no baiting or trolling; just a foaming-at-the-mouth; 'let's get pitchforks and hang the bastard' mentality based on nothing but some some residual hurt feelings for being made to look like idiots over a previous unjust ban some time back WHEREIN LIES WERE MADE UP to make me look like a villain. Shroomism publicly apologized (thank you bro) for his part in this scheme. (IT IS ON RECORD - LOOK IT UP!)

Were any readers damaged by the thread? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Read it and you will see there was actually some very interetsting  and HELPFUL points made, especially by Veritas.

SWAMI CHALLENGE: If ANY MOD can show anything harmful resulting from that thread, I will voluntarily leave the Shroomery for life nad ne'er return. Can't get ANY BETTER than that for those hateful souls skulking in the shadows.

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