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Spiritual Settings
    #5082649 - 12/19/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

How important are the external details of your life to your spiritual growth?

Do we need to run away from the trappings of modern life, the technology, the traffic, the paperwork, the drippy faucet in the kitchen, in order to be enlightened?

Monks have done it for ages...set themselves away from the crowd, kept their life simple and highly scheduled, and rejected the "advances" which the rest have embraced. 

I say that we can do it anywhere, if we can do it at all.  Waiting for the perfect setting is an excuse to avoid the nitty-gritty work of real spiritual growth.  If you run away from your "non-spiritual" life, to some idyllic circumstance you imagine will free you, I believe you'll find the same impatient self waiting there for you.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5082672 - 12/19/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

anywhere is fine. to me, a busy urban life is almost as important to my spiritual growth as isolation. nevertheless, getting away from it all is good now and then. my parents live in a very remote rural area, and when i go to see them i try to make the most of that atmosphere. i go out into the countryside to meditate and practice kata, and its very good for thinking things through without distraction.


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5082680 - 12/19/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

good post. But dont you think that many of the modern technological advances are for idle sensory input? created for the sole purpose of distraction and averting boredom?

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5082687 - 12/19/05 04:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Averting boredom? Maybe. I think avoiding consciousness is more accurate.

Reality TV?? WTF? How about "reality"?

The important ingredient in utilizing technology is choice. I was checking out a stack (10-15) of books from the library, and the librarian commented that she wished she had time to read as much as I do. When I told her I didn't watch TV at all, she looked at me as though I had two heads.

Just because the distration is available doesn't mean we MUST use it whenever life becomes uncomfortable. And because the distraction is available, we need to become skillful acting in alignment with our values.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5082694 - 12/19/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think it is neccessary to lead an isolated monk life to become enlightened, but i think it sure would make it easier.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5082702 - 12/19/05 04:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Monkey mind doesn't rely on the TV for transmission. :grin:

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5082738 - 12/19/05 04:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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I say that we can do it anywhere, if we can do it at all. Waiting for the perfect setting is an excuse to avoid the nitty-gritty work of real spiritual growth. If you run away from your "non-spiritual" life, to some idyllic circumstance you imagine will free you, I believe you'll find the same impatient self waiting there for you.





Awareness is the prerequisite for spiritual growth.  I know I cannot be aware of the greater things in life when my focus is directed toward cooking when working.  It's hard for me to keep focus when I'm run down from the bussle. 

Saying that, I believe that complete isolation is never ideal.  Being amongst people in good will is for us.  However, awareness is something to be developed away from people.  My greatest moments have been in quiet and seperation.

But if it works for you, that's great. :smile:


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: justAkid]
    #5082961 - 12/19/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i believe it has to do with your level of spiritual growth. there's a saying "if you can't meditate in a boiler room you can't meditate" and i agree. however, that doesn't mean you should start learning to meditate in a boiler room. if you first start practising in a quiet and peaceful place you can then maintain full awareness wherever you go. i think that it is more difficult if you start off in a place that is highly intrusive and distracting.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Deviate]
    #5082987 - 12/19/05 05:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The problem that I have with the belief that we "can't" work on our spiritual growth while amidst the details of our every day life is that it is a great excuse to put it off.

How much of the distraction and noise are truly out of our control, and how much of it are we choosing in order to delay confronting ourselves? Perhaps the traffic is not of our choosing, but renting a house along a highway is. The neighbor's loud stereo is not under our power, but the TV/Nintendo/X-box/computer is.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5083067 - 12/19/05 06:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

*Swami disconnects from the Internet*


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Swami]
    #5083076 - 12/19/05 06:18 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

:jawdrop:  Don't get TOO spiritual!!

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5083298 - 12/19/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

actually i think swami has the right idea. for me the internet is a huge distraction, not only from spiritual growth but from school work and many other responsibilities. once i get online it's so easy to waste an entire evening just browing around, posting, checking email, etc..

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Deviate]
    #5083392 - 12/19/05 07:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5083467 - 12/19/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Nice! I've always preached that you can meditate thruogh anything in life.

If drinking a glass of water, drink it in 30 seconds, not 3, and concentrate on every single drop absorbed in your body. Those 27 seconds spent will grant you piece of mind. If reading a book, do not count the pages left - you're just ruining the plot by knowing how much is left. If you're watching a VHS, do you periodically take out the tape to see how much you've seen and how much is left? No, because you're not rushing anywhere, and if you're staying in the same moment, be in that moment 100%. Having your foot in both worlds progresses you in neither.


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5083478 - 12/19/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Averting boredom? Maybe. I think avoiding consciousness is more accurate.

Reality TV?? WTF? How about "reality"?

The important ingredient in utilizing technology is choice. I was checking out a stack (10-15) of books from the library, and the librarian commented that she wished she had time to read as much as I do. When I told her I didn't watch TV at all, she looked at me as though I had two heads.




That's one fucked up librarian. Shouldve told her that your third eye hastes your reading speed.


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5083561 - 12/19/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

How important are the external details of your life to your spiritual growth?
the details of my life are my spiritual path. my environment will thus equal spiritual growth, to the degree that i'm skilful, fortunate, and taking responsibility for myself.


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: crunchytoast]
    #5083757 - 12/19/05 09:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Deviate said:
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can you explain better crunchytoast? how will your environment equal spiritual growth seeing as how your environment changes? are you saying you will be at a different level of spiritual growth at the grovery store vs at the bank vs in your car?




hi deviate
my opinion is growth is a certain kind of change
for me i have a certain few goals in my life right now
as for grocery vs bank, etc, i suppose the degree to which i meet my deep-seated psychological goals (which hopefully are close enough to the goals i claim to myself) are met by any of these things, is the degree to which one of these things will contribute to my spiritual growth. for me, these things don't really contribute anything new, but sustain practices i've developed on the way (such as shopping for myself).
when i achieve the deep-seated goals, i will have new goals, and i will have grown.

like, in chess, there's ratings of skill. a person with a 1200 rank might have as their goal to become rated 2000. then when they are at 2000, they might seek 2200. in the meantime, they've grown as a chess player. yet a person who's 1200 who increases their score will feel similarly happy when they improve, as a person who's 2000 will feel happy for improving.


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: crunchytoast]
    #5083813 - 12/19/05 09:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't able to transcend my ego and achieve enlightenment until I got an iPod.


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: crunchytoast]
    #5083836 - 12/19/05 09:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

ok i understand what you mean now. i was confused because i took veritas's post to mean evironment as in the things you don't have as much control over, such as the sound of a saw or hammer annoying you on a summer's day.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Sclorch]
    #5083865 - 12/19/05 09:38 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't able to transcend my ego and achieve enlightenment until I got an iPod.

IMO transcending one's ego would be the opposite of spiritual growth, since it would be denying an important part of oneself.

for example, i find it ironic how the notion that materialism is egotistically-driven, when presented as a criticism, is founded in it's own elitist attitude. everyone has "ego needs", but satisfy those needs in different ways.

if buying an ipod will provide someone with some joy, i think they should go for it.

why transcendentalize enlightenment?

surely out of some ego need...


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: crunchytoast]
    #5083911 - 12/19/05 09:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Achieve iNirvana.


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Re: Spiritual Settings - your life is your medicine [Re: crunchytoast]
    #5083915 - 12/19/05 09:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

sometimes I tell my kids, when they are hurting, to heal "your life with your life".
you use the irritating and the soothing parts and feed them back into the matrix that builds you.

even the ascendant monks are given to that:
those that learn from retreat return into life and make life at home magical.
they raise the sparks where they are, and use the familiarity of home to make it an even stronger medicine.
the healing works like this.


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Re: Spiritual Settings - your life is your medicine [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5083919 - 12/19/05 09:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
sometimes I tell my kids, when they are hurting, to heal "your life with your life".
you use the irritating and the soothing parts and feed them back into the matrix that builds you.



If you have something against iPods, don't transmit your sickness to your children.


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Re: Spiritual Settings - your life is your medicine [Re: Sclorch]
    #5083937 - 12/19/05 10:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

ipods are great - they got ipod etc., no problems in that direction

what an interesting shift in interpretation!
don't give up your ipods except when ninja cycling 'cause your life depends upon it.


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Re: Spiritual Settings - your life is your medicine [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5083950 - 12/19/05 10:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

When ninja cycling, I bring my electric guitar. You can't be a real ninja without a wailing electric guitar.


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5084560 - 12/20/05 01:22 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think another aspect why setting is important, is because when you're in deep meditative state, you start to feel the vibe, chi energy around you. And if the atmosphere around you is a messy room, that's the same vibe resonating right back at ya.


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Re: Spiritual Settings - your life is your medicine [Re: Sclorch]
    #5084907 - 12/20/05 06:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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When ninja cycling, I bring my electric guitar. You can't be a real ninja without a wailing electric guitar.



maybe a uni-ninja-psycho-list


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Fospher]
    #5086237 - 12/20/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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I think another aspect why setting is important, is because when you're in deep meditative state, you start to feel the vibe, chi energy around you. And if the atmosphere around you is a messy room, that's the same vibe resonating right back at ya.




Ahhh, but this vibe lies only within your own perceptions. There is no qualities within that messy room itself that differentiates it from any other environment, such as a quiet spring deep in the woods, in terms of which environment is suitable for meditation.

Any such meaning lies within oneself, not the environment itself. One should certainly practice where one will practice best (I personally would aim to meditate unobstructed in all environments and situations), but it isn't as if there is some inherent trait in one's environment that will inhibit one's ability to meditate.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: crunchytoast]
    #5086303 - 12/20/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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IMO transcending one's ego would be the opposite of spiritual growth, since it would be denying an important part of oneself.




On the contrary. Transcendence implies surpassing limitations and resolving something towards a higher state. Usage of the term "ego" is clumsy, and I personally refer to an illusory sense of self in order to lessen the chance of ambiguity.

Holding an illusory sense of self in manners that obstruct one's direct perceptions of reality is not an important aspect of oneself. References to transcendence and of spiritual growth imply a working away from an illusory sense of self in that it is exactly that illusory sense of self that inhibits and dampens spiritual growth and transcendence. :grin:

What is an illusory sense of self?

It's any mental conception we hold that defines ourself. It is completely unnecessary to hold an illusory sense of self as the self exists naturally on its own merits and can be directly observed. Taking great effort to declare definitons of who we are and the subsequent task of upholding those definitions removes more of our ability to consciously create who we are and to directly perceive ourselves as we are naturally existing in this given moment, the only oppurtunity there ever is in order to experience ourselves and our life.

Transcending an illusory sense of self does not imply loss of the self, and it does not mean that we will not be able to observe our self for what it is and what it is continously transforming into in each moment. It does not mean that we will be unable to make conscious decisions for ourselves. It simply means that our mind will not operate with and interpret through an illusion of commands of who we are. Being free of such brings immediate focus and awareness into who we are and the present moment in which we are engaged, so that we can consciously experience ourself and the conscious ability to create ourselfs.

We are very dynamic, and our nature is such that we are in a state of constant flux, the result of continous interaction with and relation to every other single aspect of reality in every single moment, this moment. The mind and its narrow, limited, concrete, opaque definition of the self simply cannot contain or represent the vastness of this experience and the state of being the self, which is the culmination of all thought and sensation that we have ever experienced, which has arisen as a result of the manner in which every aspect of this universe since its inception has unfolded.

The more we relax our mind and let it realize that it cannot in no sense of the word manage the self, only consciously influence it as though it were simply the wind beneath the sails, the more we realize and understand the nature of this overwhelming experience in this moment and all that such implies, the more capable we will be of bringing our awareness into ourselves and immersing ourselves within this only experience, like drawing air into our lungs.

Looking at such a perspective through the narrow confines of a densely structured, illusory sense of self simply will not convey any meaning or allow any understanding to develop in regards to this. The mind cannot comprehend that which lies beyond the mind, that which the mind is merely an aspect of.

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    #5086338 - 12/20/05 03:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

RIGID EGO STRUCTURE


FLEXIBLE EGO STRUCTURE

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5086401 - 12/20/05 03:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

These aren't these belated Halloween costume pictures of you and Icelander some of us have been dying for, are they? :shocked:

If so, where did you go to school? I was expecting plaid skirts and all. :wink: I also wonder if Icelander has such a rigid ego structure.  :blowjob:

:lol:


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5086414 - 12/20/05 03:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Night, night, sleep tight oh Firey Workings of God.  :wink:

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5086516 - 12/20/05 04:31 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Monks have done it for ages...set themselves away from the crowd, kept their life simple and highly scheduled, and rejected the "advances" which the rest have embraced.


Monks have lives that are highly scheduled? LOL. I think the [typical] Westerners have the Monks beat in that department.

I say that we can do it anywhere, if we can do it at all. Waiting for the perfect setting is an excuse to avoid the nitty-gritty work of real spiritual growth. If you run away from your "non-spiritual" life, to some idyllic circumstance you imagine will free you, I believe you'll find the same impatient self waiting there for you.

If animals are great role models for many qualities and attributes that we develop in ourselves, then Cats are the Masters in this case. They can take naps just about anywhere where they aren't in danger or the noise isn't dangerously loud.





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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5086520 - 12/20/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Benedictine Monastery:

4:45: Rising
5:00: Morning Vigil Prayer
5:30- 6:00: Common Sitting Meditation Reflective Reading of Scripture
6:00- 7:30: Personal Prayer, Pick-up Breakfast in Silence
7:30: House Chores
8:00: Personal Study Time
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Afternoon
12:15: Lunch (Main Meal)
1:30: Midday Prayer
1:45- 4:30: Optional Work With Brothers, Personal Time, or Value Discussions

Evening
5:15: Evening Prayer, Eucharist
6:15: Supper (Lighter Meal)
7:00: Recreational Gathering
8:00: Compline (Night Prayer)

Buddhist Monastery:

4:45 AM Wake-up gong
5:00 AM - 6:00 AM Group meditation (sitting)
6:00 AM - 7:00 AM Devotional Pali chanting
7:00 AM - 7:45 AM Breakfast
8:00 AM - 11:00 AM Work period
11:15 AM - 12:00 AM Lunch
2:00 PM - 5:00 PM Work period
5:30 PM - 6:30 PM Group meditation (sitting)
6:30 PM - 6:50 PM Chanting in English
6:50 PM - Close Dhamma discussion, pali class, or sutta class

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5086536 - 12/20/05 04:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

8:00: Compline (Night Prayer)

Exactly! 8 o' clock?! :tongue: I've known people who get up just as early as them Monks and don't stop until 1 AM.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5086552 - 12/20/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

1 a.m. - 4:45 a.m. is not enough sleep!  :eek:

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5086559 - 12/20/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

You should tell that to Goobler. That man is in sore need of a vacation, the poor guy. Well, not really poor, of course, but y'know.




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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5086568 - 12/20/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I meant "highly scheduled," as in each waking hour accounted for, not overburdened & underslept.  :tongue:

Anyone who is forcing themself to get by on 3 or 4 hours of sleep per night is burning their candle at both ends.

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5086713 - 12/20/05 05:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Icelander has such a rigid ego structure.




You and everyone can see it when I'm being mean to someone. I am protecting myself from the feelings their actions evoke in me. I do not accept or love myself at these times. It is extremely painful and self inflicted. :heart:


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Icelander]
    #5086720 - 12/20/05 06:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think he was hinting about another rigid "structure," sweet man.  :wink:

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Veritas]
    #5086730 - 12/20/05 06:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

They are connected. :grin:


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Icelander]
    #5087035 - 12/20/05 07:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Regarding sleep hours, my teachers (The osho, and the Roshi) both sleep the hours 2-4.  AM, and PM.  Thats it.  The schedule at the monastery where I spend 2 days a week is:

4:30  Wake
5:00  Morning chants, work assignment
5:45  Kinhin (slow walking meditation)
6:00  Zazen with chanting, and Kata
8:00  Breakfast
9:30  Zazen
12:00 Lunch
12:30 Work period
1:45  Free period (not really, just unstructured practice time)
3:00  Zazen
6:00  Dinner
7:15  Kinhin
7:30  Zazen
9:15  Closing chants
10:15 Lights out

The rounds of Zazen each last 30 minutes, followed by 15 minutes of kinhin, repeated until time is up.  Lots of sitting!  Monastery is right downtown, in its own little "grove" as you could call it.  Not a large property, but everything is laid out very nicely. Ponds with streams and waterfall, rock garden, and lots of moss.  Beautiful place. 

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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #5087241 - 12/20/05 08:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

This works for me:

6:00 Wake
6:05-6:20 Shower/Hygiene (I noticed this missing from everyone else's lists... stinky monks!)
6:30 Haul ass to camera operator's house.
6:45 Eat breakfast quickly.
7:00 Drive fast out of town.
9:00 Arrive at starting shoot location.
9:01 Slam down a Red Bull or Rockstar energy drink.
9:05ish - 5:00ish Capture as much beautiful footage as I can. Eat when possible.
5:15ish Eat dinner.
6:00ish Go home.
8:00ish Get home.
8:00-11:00ish Fuck around and enjoy solitude.
11:01ish Sleep.

That's my schedule for the next 3 weeks (not counting the holiday weekends).


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Re: Spiritual Settings [Re: Sclorch]
    #5087290 - 12/20/05 08:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i grew up in the city, getting high and tripping out, it was nice. but a change of circumstances brought me to the country. the biggest benefit of being out in the open peaceful air is that you never have to come down. in the city you can trip balls and then you have to go to work the next day, get back into the game. but out here you can slowly come down over a period of a week or more, digesting the information and incorporating it into your lifestyle. enlightnement can surely be found in the most chaotic of situations, but in my experience, its alot easier out here where there are less distractions.


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