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Computer programming and life
#5010581 - 12/03/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was thinking about computer programming the other night, I came to conclude that eventually computer programs will be so large that they will have to be programmed to progam theirselves (this is possible and already implemented in the industry to some degree)!
Then I had a sudden epiphany, if a computer programed itself then it would eventually be able to create a form of intelligence.
Now imagine our DNA / RNA. Its main peice of programming is the desire to survive. Like a virus that s designed to spread but also becoming more and more 'evolved' in its methods in each new generation.
So do I conclude that life is a program within some computing system.
No, because the computer itself was created within this system. Its seems that the computer mimicks life to some extent, most likely, because it was created by life.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5010644 - 12/03/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once computer systems are able to adapt to their surroundings, I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to continuously evolve to best survive in their environment. Much like humans, although humans may accelerate the "evolution" of computers by taking an active role in the process. Then again, who's to say someone or something didn't do the same for humans?
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5011229 - 12/03/05 05:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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"So do I conclude that life is a program within some computing system."
We are bio-machines run by organic computers. As a computer programmer this fact has become quite obvious to me. Of course our internal programs are very complex compared to our puny technology. See, I told you I would agree if you said something I liked.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5011326 - 12/03/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes contrary to initial impressions, huehue does not disagree for the sake of disagreement. (took me a while to learn that) hes just straightforward/
anyways, im interessted in the idea of humans as computers, but even more in the idea of humans as self aware computers, likle you said, with the ability to upgrade and edit our own programs.
My theory is that with the rise of sentience/meta cognition, evolution ceased to be a matter of random mutation and luck and became a process under concious control.
after all, at one time, a species would only grow, lets say more muscular and powerfull, by one in a million of its individuals randomly being born that way, then being better adapted to survive in a certain environment as a result, thereby breeding more, there by slowly and over millions of years becoming predominant, thus ending up with a more muscular species.
But today, if im skinny and weak, i can make a concious choice to change that and become huge. Or more intelligent. i can conciously improve my reflexes, my balance, my coordination...
its amazing really. For the first time in known biological history, life can think about what it wants to be, and become.
How foolishly we squander that potential!
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Moonshoe]
#5013765 - 12/04/05 12:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Moonshoe said: yes contrary to initial impressions, huehue does not disagree for the sake of disagreement.
Crunchytoast, on the other hand.....
Peace.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5013790 - 12/04/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: I was thinking about computer programming the other night, I came to conclude that eventually computer programs will be so large that they will have to be programmed to progam theirselves (this is possible and already implemented in the industry to some degree)!
Then I had a sudden epiphany, if a computer programed itself then it would eventually be able to create a form of intelligence.
Now imagine our DNA / RNA. Its main peice of programming is the desire to survive. Like a virus that s designed to spread but also becoming more and more 'evolved' in its methods in each new generation.
So do I conclude that life is a program within some computing system.
No, because the computer itself was created within this system. Its seems that the computer mimicks life to some extent, most likely, because it was created by life.
a conclusion, is where you got tired of thinking..
and as they "map" more and more real-time..
like mapping an individual straw of grass, unique 200000times, to make a "real looking" lawn... ..will eventually result in real-time copy.. But I see us knowing this, long before that would have to happen..
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5015440 - 12/04/05 08:38 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said:
Then I had a sudden epiphany, if a computer programed itself then it would eventually be able to create a form of intelligence.
Yes, there is actually a lot of research going on right now with this idea in mind. Do a google search of A-life (Artificial Life) and Emergent Behavior. Cool stuff!
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: dr0mni]
#5015564 - 12/04/05 09:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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read the positronic man by isacc asimov. its basically about the first computer to demand that its rights be recognized and respected by humans.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: nonick]
#5017656 - 12/05/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Somehow this reminded me of a McKenna interview i read in high times;
One of the science fiction fantasies that haunts the collective unconscious is expressed in the phrase "a world run by machines." In the 1950s this was first articulated in the notion, "perhaps the future will be a terrible place where the world is run by machines." Well now, let's think about machines for a moment. They are extremely impartial, very predictable, not subject to moral suasion, value neutral, and very long-lived in their functioning. Now let's think about what machines are made of, in the light of Sheldrake's morphogenetic field theory. Machines are made of metal, glass, gold, silicon, plastic -- they are made of what the earth is made of. Now wouldn't it be strange if biology is a way for the earth to alchemically transform itself into a self-reflecting thing. In which case then, what we're headed for inevitably, what we are in fact creating, is a world run by machines. And once these machines are in place, they can be expected to manage our economies, languages, social aspirations, and so forth, in such a way that we stop killing each other, stop starving each other, stop destroying land, and so forth. Actually, the fear of being ruled by machines is the male ego's fear of relinquishing control of the planet to the maternal matrix of Gaia. Ha. That's it. Just a thought.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: tomekk]
#5018348 - 12/05/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's an interesting theory- however, wouldn't you say that humans, and all creatures, are made of what the earth is made of?
But as for what he says, if machines were to completely control human lives in order to implement balance, might the complete eradication of humans be a viable option? And then, what would the machines do? Supposing they formed a collective conscience, would they be able to continue their existance, needing materials from Gaia and thus depleting her resources?
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wasn't i robot sorta like that. And then book by terry brooks, I forget what t was called, will get back to you on that. unfortunately I am at the library and will need to geo home to find the one i speak of.
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Sort of. I Robot the movie really does not do the book justice, but it gets the basic message across- anything with the potential to think also has the potential to create or destroy.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5022847 - 12/06/05 10:59 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool.
My apologies if I have been paranoid in the past. Nobodies perfect - I certainly am not
I am still unsure as to wether we are just complex machines though.
I also believe in the soul. This doesn't nessacerily contradict the machine theory though...
>>>Its seems that the computer mimicks life to some extent, most likely, because it was created by life.
Thats why I said this.
I think theres something more to it than a machine could be at present.
Life in its entirety also seems to be like a seperate machine with 1 main purpose to - well - be alive! Maybe we are just some kind of sensor for the machine that controls all life?
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Moonshoe]
#5022890 - 12/06/05 11:05 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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You raise a very good point.
We are essentially re-programming our own genetics and this will also effect our off-spring. As far as I know, this is something that science is just about starting to accept and be able to proove.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5027770 - 12/07/05 09:50 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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The interesting thing about the immense complexity of our universe is that it might be, at its essence, insanely simple. Cellular automata (simple programs, search Wolfram, "A new kind of science") can explain the patterns that arise in nature, such as mollusk shell pigmentation and snowflake formation. It might end up that the universe itself is the continued computation of a few lines of code.
On another note, the brain works by parallel computation, i.e. computing through a "problem" using large numbers of entry points. The computer you're sitting at computes linearly, bit by bit, really fast, but could never reach the computing speed of the most rudimentary brain. With the emergence of parallel computing in the next few generations, we will make huge headway in terms of AI, that is, the capacity to develop AI. Our brain is merely a big computer, and there are no logical inconsistencies to conclude that we may be able to download our brain-states and programming onto a 1,000,000 terabyte hard drive as big as your fist. Live in a robot, don't just make them machines!!
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5028082 - 12/07/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are also programming the genetics of other living things around us; just look at dogs or domesticated animals as a prime example...
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Reynard] 1
#5032508 - 12/08/05 02:35 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Our brain is merely a big computer, and there are no logical inconsistencies to conclude that we may be able to download our brain-states and programming onto a 1,000,000 terabyte hard drive as big as your fist.
and then what? never die?
"no logical inconsistencies " oh, god, you're killing me
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5772895 - 06/20/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I had quite a similar notion the other day and mentioned it to my wife. I told her if you look at the way our technology takes such huge strides and then combine that with how each day more and more computers are being built to carry out human activities we're going to eventually make a machine or computer that develops a sense of self awareness or consciouss if you will.
I think all the science fiction involving futures in which we co-exist with robots is a seed in the collective unconsciouss that will one day sprout into consensus reality, just like our technology today such as airplanes and space travel sprouted from a seed(or dream/imagination) in people's unconsciouss. I got the idea from reading Michael Talbot's book "The Holographic Universe". In it he talks about how in many ways we possibly create our futures and realities through our thoughts. The whole science fiction thing is like the vehicle for these thoughts shuttling the thoughts into the future until technology can make use of it.
SO say we do eventually create a machine that has self awareness, we have just created life out of code and some raw materials. If you break down the blueprints for such a machine to its most basic form, like factoring an equation, my guess is you would start with the most basic form of code i can think of - binary, a bunch of 0's and 1's. Which has me agreeing with what people here are saying how life mimics life because it is made from life.
I like this topic
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Also if you want to read more on the human mind as a biocomputer I HIGHLY recommend "Handbook to Higher Consciouss" by Ken Keyes Jr.
Fucking awesome book.
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Interesting thread. I have had the intuition recently that humans are becoming a vast computer, that our interactions with our surroundings are becoming 'zombified'. One need look no further than a street in one's neighborhood where people walk regularly; you will notice that everyone walks at roughly the same pace, that eye contact is kept to a minimum and that gestures are constrained. We have computers that we log onto to find information incredibly fast. We can listen to music whenever we want with iPods and reach anyone anywhere in the world with a cell-phone. The culmination of all this extremely efficient technology is that we are unconsciously beginning to mimic it; every action is becoming efficient; language is used as a means of getting ahead, not a means of True Expression; movements are controlled to a high degree -- how can we waste any time with extraneous expression when we could be getting to the next place FAST, acquiring new things FAST, and on and on.
What will the outcome of this human computerization be? What indeed, as danoEoboy asks, is the significance of the human invention of the computer, and what is the future of artificial computer intelligence? Computers all over the world are talking to each other, acquiring information at a pace more rapid than the human mind can even fathom. Will they destroy us, or turn is into them? If it's the latter, will it turn is into unthinking drones, or will it move the human race collectively toward the Perfect Geometry and the Transcendental Object at the End of Time?
Fascinating stuff!
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5772984 - 06/20/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could do a really good programming job and have it sort of recycle it's own code. Give it some sort of intelligence, and teach it to change itself. But there is no way of providing a right and wrong way for it to code itself, because that would be the programmers choice, which is limitless.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Droz]
#5774639 - 06/20/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's not about programming it to know right from wrong, its about programming it to figure these things out for itself.
Edited by TacticalBongRip (06/20/06 11:06 PM)
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Lion]
#5774657 - 06/20/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with you, about humans behaving like robots. This reminds me of something I heard Timothy Leary say on an old recording. He said something to the effect of "When you take LSD, go outside your house and look at it. You will see your house as an alien from another planet would, and you would see that inside these houses live insane robots."
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why not model god...
should be easy enough...
I think we already have.
but what happens we you give sandoz-25
to the creator?
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Schwammel]
#5774851 - 06/20/06 11:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you gonna do it an assembly or you gonna hit a high c
either way yo don't have the tools
I know taht for a fact
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Schwammel]
#5814064 - 07/02/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a degree in computer science and so this topic is of high interest to me. The more and more I learn about the concepts of computer science the more I realize how it mimic nature. Much research now in honing classic algorithms and AI is based on studying nature, such as how ants communicate. Makes one think, are we living in a computer simulation?
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Twatto]
#5840275 - 07/09/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have read a book by The futurist Ray Kurzweil, that goes into great deal about the reality of this subject. He thinks it is not to far off as technology is growing at such a fast rate that maybe in 30 years we could "upload" ourselves into a computer. I know hard to believe, but he makes some good points. His basic point is that once a computer as enough AI to improve itself with progamming technology will really take off.
Check out this info from Wikipedia, and if you want to learn about this stuff in depth read his book "The Singularity Is Near".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil#The_Law_of_Accelerating_Returns_and_Transhumanism
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Ego Death]
#5841484 - 07/10/06 05:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Life in its entirety also seems to be like a seperate machine with 1 main purpose to - well - be alive! Maybe we are just some kind of sensor for the machine that controls all life?
I could accept this idea, if the word "we" were slightly modified to mean that "we" aren't individuals, but merely an extension of existence itself. That our experience of it all, is merely the way of tricking us into doing what we must do.
Like say an ant ... I could never imagine how an ant would bother to do what it does - yet am I that different?
Perhaps the ants and mosquitos have rich fulfilling social lives, to mask their actual meaning - which is to preserve life.
I think that makes sense, especially considering that atm we are fooled into destroying and suffocating most of what is necessary for life as we know it. By chopping down the forests because we need furniture, polluting the air because we need to get around and build things, and bombing the living daylights out of eachother in what we believe to be a) hatred of other man or b) love of our ideal over another.
All those things that makes us feel and act in certain ways, may be the computer wiz hammering along on his keyboard, sending signals that makes his programs act differently. If we are created in his image ... and he is flawed too ... it could explain why unbelievably stupid shit happens.
The notion of the man in the control room, is however a bigger nuisance than it appears. If we are created in his image, what image is he created from - and so on.
It makes me think that its a giant chain reaction of fuckups, and that if you backtrack enough you'll just end up where you are, because the code is eternally flawed and has been started by mistake, and there is no way of ever shutting it down - because we are the code.
There is no term signal.
And the coder is just a fuckup, struggeling with his own existence being fucked up and continously running without any hope of ever stopping.
Until it crashes unto itself, and we form the letters SYNTAX ERROR ... or something.
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Lion]
#5843897 - 07/10/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I planed to be a computer engineer (programing) when I was in university, then when I saw how boring and robotic that is, I switched to electric engineering (luckily the first year was common for both).
Over here most programers end up in Siemens "factory" in the town writing software for god knows what. The way they work is that they don't know what they are programing, the just have to do their little part, and send it elsewhere, and they can't know what is it for. That's a really boring job.
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if you have a duble ee degree you can work anywhere...
but that the hardest degree to get
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Schwammel]
#5843947 - 07/10/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know, but I never planed to leave my home town, no matter what the job was.
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where is hometown? did you get the EE
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Schwammel]
#5844034 - 07/10/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, I don't even know what EE is. This is Croatia, we are not EU yet, so we have different standards. There are no different kinds of degree over here. This is how it's arrange over here:
you go to university 4-5 years, and you get the title of "engineer", but that's not the same as engineer as the word is used in US (a person that operates something) , engineer is a title, like a doctor (Phd) only two steps lower. You can be an engineer of anything from electrics and engineering to agriculture After that you can go 2 years more and become a "magister", which is another title (6-7 years of schoolin' total) After that you can go some more and become a doctor, PHD
By the time you become a doctor, you go bald and spend half your life, and you are probably close to 30, because education is so long and exhausting over here.
That's pretty much it, so I don't know how things work elsewhere
Though right now things are changing because of EU and all, so the title of engineer will dissapear probably and be replaced by something begining with B, and the education for that is reduced to only 3 years.
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duble E is electrical engineering
or "juice"
usually it takes 5 years and another 3
for added juice
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Schwammel]
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if you got a top secret you can travel the world and
enjoy for the rest of your life
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Schwammel]
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oh, lol, I though EE is short for some EU standard or whatever
yea, that's what I've got, only here it takes 9 semesters (4.5 years) +2 post-diplom (for being a "magister" of EE)
I know that a lot of our young EE engineers are going to work outside Croatia, so I guess this is the kind of diploma you were talking about.
I'm suprized that it's the same in Germany, because right now they are pushing us to convert to a different system to be compatible with EU: 3 years ("Baccalereous" (or something like that) of EE) + 2 (for magister)
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Before you ask, I don't work yet, I'm still fresh..
Guess I finally revealed how old Oldwoodspecter is. I bet most people tought I was underage
Well anyway, I'd like to work on railroads, preferably in locomotive department, in my hometown. I love locomotives and am lucky to live here because this is the only part of Europe where there are genuine american GM (EMD) diesels, like the ones in US. They are old, and are just asking me to take care of their traction motors
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Schwammel
Auk
Registered: 12/10/05
Posts: 845
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
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you work in a university?
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OldWoodSpecter
waiting
Registered: 02/01/05
Posts: 4,033
Loc: mountains and lakes
Last seen: 17 years, 6 months
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Re: Computer programming and life [Re: Schwammel]
#5844202 - 07/10/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Schwammel said: you work in a university?
no, where did you get that idea from?
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fireworks_god
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Registered: 03/12/02
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Loc: Pandurn
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Where he gets all of his ideas from...
... don't ask.
Peace.
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