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 Re: More Great Moments In Islam!  [Re: Phred]
#4872810 - 10/30/05 10:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are photos of the recovered bodies of the girls supplied by Reuters Alertnet located at the following link. Unlike so many antiwar posters here who delight in posting gory photos of injured and killed civilians, I will leave the choice to view or not to view the victims of religious violence to the readers of this post. If you click the link below, be warned you will be led to graphic images. Up to you.
http://dog-pundit.blogspot.com/2005/10/horrific-murders-of-christian-school.html
Phred
All you people who think Christianity is as bad as Islam (its a lie to say this is true today) then click this link and see the results of muslim jihad.
http://dog-pundit.blogspot.com/2005/10/horrific-murders-of-christian-school.html
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Los_Pepes]
#4872853 - 10/30/05 11:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those crimes pale in comparison to those undertaken during the Crusades and Inquisition by Christians.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Redstorm]
#4872867 - 10/30/05 11:16 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those crimes pale in comparison to those undertaken during the Crusades and Inquisition by Christians.
And those pale in comparison to those undertaken by Genghis Khan. What's your point?
The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition took place -- what -- between half a millenium and a millenium ago? That's the whole point, dammit, the Jihadis are stuck in medieval time while the rest of the planet is in the twenty-first century.
And by the way, it wasn't just the Christians who were committing atrocities during the Crusades.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4872911 - 10/30/05 11:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Christianity has had 2000 years to simmer down and become mainstream and less militant. Islam has had a little more than half that time. When Christianity was as young as Islam is now, it was just as violent.
About the crusades, the atrocities undertaken by Christians were much more common and much more worse. For heaven's sake, they didn't just focus on Muslims and the Holy Land. The entire way there, they had raids on Jewish villages and communities. Also, Constantinople, the eastern holy city, was sacked by Crusaders. None of these actions even takes into account that the Crusade was initiated by the Christians.
Contrary to what you have to say, I feel it is important to view the actions of Christianity when it was at an age relative to what Islam is at now.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Redstorm]
#4872940 - 10/30/05 11:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's another one for you. http://www.geocities.com/jinn1776/herbertgrack.html
Chechnya is full of muslim terrorists.
Edited by Los_Pepes (10/30/05 11:42 PM)
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Redstorm]
#4872961 - 10/30/05 11:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Islam has been around since 610 AD. That makes it just shy of 1400 years old. Christianity has been around since about 35 AD. That makes it just shy of 2000 years old.
So even if we apply your bizarre formula of giving each religion the same amount of time to settle down (with the Crusades ending less than 1300 years after the beginning of Christianity as a religion), the Muslims are around a century late in getting the message.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4872968 - 10/30/05 11:47 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Spanish Inquisition happened much later than 1300. The point isn't that Islam is less violent of the same as Christianity. The point is when put in an unstable society, any religion has, and will, commit atrocities. There is nothing unique about Islam.
Edited for content.
Edited by Redstorm (10/30/05 11:50 PM)
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Redstorm]
#4872974 - 10/30/05 11:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then stop talking about the Crusades and refer strictly to the Spanish Inquisition.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4872995 - 10/30/05 11:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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See my edit for clarification.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4873010 - 10/31/05 12:02 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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To me it is very clear that people who cut the heads off of teenage girls are mentally unsound and are just using the religion as an excuse to commit the atrocities they do across the world under cover of all sorts of excuses. Mostly they include religion and politics though.
It takes a special breed of man to cut the heads off of people. A religion or political ideology cannot cause that, but rather its a proneness to atrocity thats present in some people reghatdless of ideology.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4874458 - 10/31/05 11:38 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those crimes pale in comparison to those undertaken during the Crusades and Inquisition by Christians.
And those pale in comparison to those undertaken by Genghis Khan. What's your point?
The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition took place -- what -- between half a millenium and a millenium ago? That's the whole point, dammit, the Jihadis are stuck in medieval time while the rest of the planet is in the twenty-first century.
And by the way, it wasn't just the Christians who were committing atrocities during the Crusades.
Phred
Islam is only 1400 years old in comparison to Christianity's age of 2000. Logic would presume that Islam is 6 centuries behind the social evolution of Christianity. This is no excuse to bash Islam and offend many. Islam has just as much potential to become a cultural force instead of a literal one.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Unagipie]
#4874528 - 10/31/05 11:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This whole "Islam is younger than Christianity so we should allow them another six centuries of barbarism" meme is completely bogus. There is more going on in human affairs than religion.
Because the nominally Christian nations (England, the US and others) held slaves up until around a century and a half ago we should nod complacently at nominally Muslim nations (Sudan) holding slaves today?
What about the treatment of gays? Blow that off for another six centuries?
Stoning to death of adultresses? "It's okay for now, Ibrahim, but don't let us catch you doing it in AD 26222!"
Whatever.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4874570 - 10/31/05 12:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because the nominally Christian nations (England, the US and others) held slaves up until around a century and a half ago we should nod complacently at nominally Muslim nations (Sudan) holding slaves today?
I take it you dont really think we should nod complacently! What to do instead...hmmm? Shall we bomb them?!!
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4874616 - 10/31/05 12:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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In a stable society, these problem areas will not exist, regardless of the religion.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Phred]
#4874623 - 10/31/05 12:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That does not give criminals a license to kill
My point was that people bash Islam all the time, and they don't bother to make a difference between Islam and a Muslim. In comparison, Islam and Christianity are very much quite the same, with the only major differences being their respective interpretations of Jesus. The difference however is that through time Christian society has gradually became more and more secular. It hasn't even been a century since the last actual rule of Shariah was ended, and that was much due to force through colonization. Has, there are problems in how Muslims interpret Islam. Unlike the vast majority of Christians in regard to the Bible, most Muslims regard their writ as the literal word of God due to the Qur'an's infrastructure of dictating religious duties and aspects of everyday living. It is not regarded as a cultural force, as Christianity is. Look at democracy starting to rise in Iraq. Over 60% of Iraqis voted for the first time. This is a great example where moderate, cultural Islam has potential to flourish.
What I don't understand is all this Islam bashing from the same people who purport to be fighting on the same side of Iraqi people. I guarantee you nearly every single Iraqi police officer attends the Friday prayers like everyone else. Just about every Iraqi cop who is killed by fanatics probably prayed and prostrated to Mecca that morning before they hit the streets where they were slaughtered by political ideologues that pervert religion to justify cheap shot means of promoting insecurity,
It's this Islam bashing that is extremely hypocritical. I bet if Looner, or any other right wing Islamophobe came face to face with an Iraqi soldier, a Muslim, who saw his friends die face down in the muck so Iraqis could be free, he would not say a single bad thing about Islam in his presence.
The Iraqi police and soldiers who are dying every day at the hands of fanatics represent the true face of Islam.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Redstorm]
#4874633 - 10/31/05 12:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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In a stable society, these problem areas will not exist, regardless of the religion.
Exactly
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Unagipie]
#4875375 - 10/31/05 03:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am sorry that I made such an angry and generalized post, but I cannot see how Islam and violence have not been tightly entwined over the last 50 years. It seems like this all bugs are insects, but not all insects are bugs. With the exception of a few communists and a Japenese cult it seems all terrorists are Muslims, but not all Muslims are terrorists. Now I'm sure there are many many great Muslim people out there, but why are the most sadistic and barbaric people of our times also claiming Islam?
After a while you can't help from connecting the dots. From blowing up statues of Buddha, the Taliban, to killing Israeli civilians at nightclubs, 911, to slavery in Sudan, to terrorist bombings in Bali and India, putting people to death for homosexuality in Saudi Arabia, burning to death a train full of Hindus in eatern India, to beheadings in Iraq, to killing hundreds of children in Beslan, mass murder with machetes in Indonesia and beheading teenage girls. If this is the will of Allah to SO MANY people, then there is something fucking wrong with Allah.
And if this is because of oppression, why don't we ever hear about Tibetan terrorits? They've had something like 2 million people killed by the Chinese, their religion wiped out and their land being populated by Chinese colonists, but do you ever hear of them blowing up kids or beheading people on TV?
I believe we should love all people equally and refrain from judging them, but must we then condone their actions and ignore such an obvious pattern?
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4875389 - 10/31/05 03:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4875542 - 10/31/05 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So many?
Of all the incidents listed, only a few hundred people tops may be responsible for them, out of 1.2 billion Muslims.
So why is it most terrorists are Muslim? It is a matter of geopolitical strife irrespective of religion. In Indonesia there is mounting tension over East Timor. In Israel we all know how that situation is playing out. For Beslan one just has to walk through the streets of Grozny to see how shitty the lives of Chechens are. These kind of conflicts simply do not exist in the developed world. Politically and economically, the Muslim world is a heaping shit hole right now. It doesn't surprise me at all that there are sparks of random rage coming out of it.
Its this Islam bashing that is really lame. It is 100% unconstructive for numerous reasons:
1) Islam isn't going anywhere. It's always going to be a major world religion and may even one day be the world's largest religion
2) It only pisses of moderate Muslims because:
3) Muslim fanatics could care less what people think about Islam
If you want reform to take place in the Muslim world, bashing Islam has to be the most brain dead way of going about it.
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Re: More Great Moments In Islam! [Re: Unagipie]
#4875590 - 10/31/05 04:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is about time for these so called "moderate muslims" to come out and police thier own. Why is there no true outcry from these people in regards to terrorism? You always hear the same no nothing apology:
"First we would like to say that we dont encourage the murdering of innocent people, BUT if Iseral would just............."
If Chrisitans were sawing off peoples heads, and upoading it on the internet, there would be plenty of outcry (minus Pat Robertson, hes a freak)
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