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OfflineMagicalMystery
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HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT
    #4626384 - 09/06/05 06:52 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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Subject: Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership


JPFO: HAAS INTERVIEW

The following excerpt is from an interview conducted by Aaron
Zelman
in 1990. Mr. Zelman is the founder of Jews for the Preservation of
Firearms Ownership (JPFO, 2872 S. Wentworth Ave., Milwaukee, WI
53207 Phone: 414- 769-0760). His subject was Theodore Haas, a
former prisoner of the infamous Dachau concentration camp.



A Warning: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT




IF ONLY WE WERE ARMED



Q. Did the camp inmates ever bring up the topic, "If only we were
armed before, we would not be here now"?

A. Many, many times. Before Adolf Hitler came to power, there was a
black market in firearms, but the German people had been so
conditioned to be law abiding, that they would never consider buying
an unregistered gun. The German people really believed that only
hoodlums own such guns. What fools we were. It truly frightens me to
see how the government, media, and some police groups in America are
pushing for the same mindset. In my opinion, the people of America had
better start asking and demanding answers to some hard questions about
firearms ownership, especially, if the government does not trust me to
own firearms, why or how can the people be expected to trust the
government?

There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been
saved if the people were not "brainwashed" about gun ownership and had
been well armed. Hitler's thugs and goons were not very brave when
confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw
Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag,
half-starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of
the Nazis.

Q. Did you have any contacts with the White Rose Society (mostly
German students against Hitler)? Did anyone try to hide you from the
Nazis?

A. I did not, but my local friend, Richard Scholl, had two cousins or
nephews who were members. Both were executed in Munich (I believe) for
standing up for decency and freedom. Not enough people knew about the
White Rose Society. There were many non-Jews who were not anti-Semetic
and were very much opposed to Hitler.

It was impossible to hide people from the Nazis in Germany - it is so
densely populated and food was rationed. Another point that many
people fail to understand is that in Germany, you had a situation
where the children were reporting to their teachers if their parents
listened to the BBC on the short wave radio, or what they were talking
about at home. If a German was friendly to a Jew, he was warned once.
If he failed to heed the warning, he would disappear and never be
heard from again. This was known as "Operation Night and Fog."

Q. Do you think American society has enough stability that Jews and
other minorities are safe from severe persecution?

A. No. I think there is more anti-Semitism in America (some of it
caused by leftist Jewish politicians and organizations who promote gun
control schemes) than there was in Germany. This may stun some people,
but not all Germans hated Jews. My best and devoted friends in Germany
were Christians.

I perceive America as a very unstable society, due to the social
tinkering of the Kennedy/Metzenbaum-type politicians. When I first
came to this wonderful country after World War II, America was a
vibrant, dynamic and promising society. There really was an American
dream, attainable by those who wanted to work. Now, due to the curse
of Liberalism, America is in a period of moral decline. Even worse,
corrupt criminals hold high political office, and you have police
officials who don't give a damn about the Bill of Rights. They just
want to control people, not protect and serve. When you study history,
you see that when a country becomes an immoral manure heap, as America
is rapidly becoming, all minorities suffer, and ultimately, all the
citizens.

Q. What words of warning would you like to give to young people who
will soon be eligible to vote?

A. Vote only for politicians who trust the people to own all types of
firearms, and who have a strong pro-Second Amendment voting record.
Anti-gun-ownership politicians are very dangerous to a free society.
Liberty and freedom can only be preserved by an armed citizenry. I see
creeping fascism in America, just as in Germany, a drip at a time; a
law here, a law there, all supposedly passed to protect the public.
Soon you have total enslavement. Too many Americans have forgotten
that tyranny often masquerades as doing good. This IS the technique
the Liberal politicians/Liberal media alliance are using to enslave
America.

Q. What message do you have for ultra-Liberal organizations and
individuals who want Americans disarmed?

A. Their ignorance is pitiful - their lives have been too easy. Had
they experienced Dachau, they would have a better idea of how precious
freedom is. These leftists should live in the tradition of America or
they should leave America. These Sarah Brady types must be educated to
understand that because we have an armed citizenry, that a
dictatorship has not YET happened in America. These anti-gun fools are
more dangerous to Liberty than street criminals or foreign spies.

Q. Some concentration camp survivors are opposed to gun ownership.
What message would you like to share with them?

A. I would like to say, "You cowards; you gun haters, you don't
deserve to live in America. Go live in the Soviet Union, if you love
gun control so damn much." It was the stupidity of these naive fools
that aided and abetted Hitler's goons and thugs. Anti-gun-ownership
Holocaust survivors insult the memories of all those that needlessly
perished for lack of being able to adequately defend themselves.

Q. It appears the Liberal left in America is tolerating, and sometimes
espousing anti-Semitism. Why do you think so many Jews still support
the leftist form of Liberalism?

A. It is for this very reason that I firmly believe that we harbor
more stupid and naive people in our midst, than any other group of
people. It amazes me how Liberal Jews have such short memories that
today, they would be so supportive and involved in setting up the
mechanics of gun control, so that a Holocaust can happen again. All
they're doing is playing into the hands of the very clever communists
who are masters at conning Americans.

Q. Why did you join JPFO?

A. I feel every Jew should be armed to the teeth, as should every
American. I joined JPFO because as a group, we can stand up to Liberal
Jewish gun haters and also to Gestapo-minded anti-gun police who want
total control of the people. I wish JPFO was in existence years ago. I
believe the Jewish involvement in gun cintrol would not be anywhere
close to what it is today, but better now than never.


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Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4626436 - 09/06/05 07:10 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

if the government does not trust me to own
firearms, why or how can the people be expected
to trust the government?


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: afoaf]
    #4626878 - 09/06/05 08:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

That is a very good example of what a government can do once the people are unarmed.

Buy, keep, and know how to use guns.

It will ensure your freedom.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4626880 - 09/06/05 08:50 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Agreed


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"Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest."
From the Declaration of the Continental Congress

"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4626886 - 09/06/05 08:51 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

an armed society, is a polite society.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4626922 - 09/06/05 08:56 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Shoot (ha), it's hardly surprising that a victim of fascism would want a gun. Whats curious is all the anti-gun folks in America who think love will truly find a way. Suckers. If a thug wants to kill someone, he'll find a way, regardless of whether or not he has access to a firearm. The idea of gun ownership is to be consciencious, and be prepared.

Just got back from shooting some skeet with my trusty 1100. Blowing those claybirds to smithereens is very therapuetic, very zen.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
    #4626947 - 09/06/05 09:02 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

It has occurred to me that locking up fascists, communists and various other coercive utopians would make the world safer than taking guns away from law abiding people who don't have social experiments that they want to foist upon others.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4627093 - 09/06/05 10:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

What about law abiding fascists and communists, Mr. McCarthy?


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4627104 - 09/06/05 10:03 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Easier said than done, and when a new type of oppression slips through the cracks, we'll have no defense.

The article is extremely bias, but I nonetheless agree with it.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: Unagipie]
    #4627170 - 09/06/05 10:12 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Mr. McCarthy? My name is Tyrone Jamal Jackson III. Take a look at history and tell me how many regimes of people who have no desire to control others have been responsible for the murder of MILLIONS. I'd say the true believers in the forced 'perfectibility' of man are a greater threat to life and peace than those who have no desire to force their versions of utopia on others - that was my point.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
    #4627532 - 09/06/05 11:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

IgnatiusJReilly said:
Suckers. If a thug wants to kill someone, he'll find a way, regardless of whether or not he has access to a firearm. .




Absolutely
When confronted about the rising incedences of leathal gun crimes in the US, Archie Bunker said,"Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?".


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4628385 - 09/07/05 02:18 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

We've just been through all this magic  :smile:

Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw
Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag,
half-starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of
the Nazis.


This is completly missing the point. The holocaust worked because people realised if they fought back they and their entire family would be killed on the spot. There was the hope of going to the camps and surviving. Any reasonable person in that position would have chosen to go to the camps in the hope of saving his family.

The warsaw ghetto was a completly different situation. There all the women, children and elderly people had already been taken away and all that was left were young guys who had already lost their families and had nothing left to lose.

The jews having a saturday night special apeice wouldn't have made fuck one of a difference to the holocaust happening.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: Alex213]
    #4628540 - 09/07/05 02:55 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Zen vhy did zaa fuhrer ban zee guns from das juden?


Also, I'm gonna have to take the word of a holocaust survivor over yours, no offense.

Are you going to take the word of the people in NO as to what they needed to survive?


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From the Declaration of the Continental Congress

"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4629347 - 09/07/05 12:23 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Zen vhy did zaa fuhrer ban zee guns from das juden?


He banned them from walking in the park too. Schools, librarys, owing a buisness...I can't think of many things he DIDN'T ban them from.

Also, I'm gonna have to take the word of a holocaust survivor over yours, no offense

No offense taken magic.

It's still possible for a survivor of the holocaust to be wrong tho. Particularly when he's obviously making propaganda for gun ownership. Maybe he feels better with the notion that the jews would have "fought back".,,but I don't think the Nazi policy of massive reprisals would have allowed much fighting back. If the jews had "fought back" in a town then the town would have been reduced to rubble with mortar fire and everyone in the town killed on the spot. For most people the camps would have seemed a better option than certain death.


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Re: HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR DENOUNCES ANTI-GUN-OWNERSHIP MOVEMENT [Re: Alex213]
    #4629411 - 09/07/05 12:50 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Jews made up a very small minority of Germany, just as they do in every country. However, the Holocaust wasn't specfically limited to the Juden. If each Jew, homosexual and free-thinker had been armed to the teeth, fewer people would have died. I can't say that Jews being armed would have stopped it, but it certainly would have had some effect. At least they could have fought their way out to a free-r country.


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"Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest."
From the Declaration of the Continental Congress

"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
David Lane


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