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 Mitchnast
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 Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4444289 - 07/23/05 06:13 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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if anyone here is at poppies.org and knows of any way i could join that community (on appeal or petition) i would LOVE to post there, i read it all the time
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DeQuincy
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4445751 - 07/24/05 01:36 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quite a few of the newest members at poppies.org, including myself although under an other sceen name, were noticed at the little brother site of the PORG: Clubopium. Either you are invited or you ask really politly at:
http://adh.2.forumer.com/index.php?s=f9c7a384798591259018739d34f41918&showforum=4
You can can join or post anonymious (sp?). If joined you can pm the mods who are also mods at the porg.
I think you make a good chance.
See you at the porg!
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: DeQuincy]
#4446802 - 07/24/05 12:00 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I certainly understand and share many of your same concerns... But this doesn't really curb my interest and I highly doubt there'll be any type of sudden surge in the commercial production of o. I think making these concerns known is the best thing one can do.
So smoking was a waste, but ingestion wasn't. Interesting... How many times did you freeze/filter? What was the consistency?
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: justb]
#4446862 - 07/24/05 12:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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foaf, man foaf.
he ice filtered it 3 times.
the consitancy at reduction was a dark brown tonic. slightly syruppy
the last reduction was in a pan in the oven at 150f
scraped up the product was a shiny black homologous semi-solid tar. quite sticky
theres a picture of it posted earlier in the thread.
the firend that tried it isnt the same person as the guy who made it BTW. the one who tried it is the second "f" in foaF
anywho, it bubbled and burned in the pipe.
friend says in retrospect after having ingested a dosage, he can see how smoking it had an effect, now that he knows what the effects are. but just smoking it it was too weak to notice.
i was surprised, seriously, he only ate two knifetip thats like, one cc altogether
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 Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4446896 - 07/24/05 12:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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My bad, my bad... 
SWIM's gonna experiment with this tek later this week and will post results. He's gonna experiment with multiple freezing as well as complete freezing and dethawing in the fridge.
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: justb]
#4448067 - 07/24/05 06:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4478958 - 07/31/05 09:26 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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heres several varieties in pod. notice some are squat shaped like pumpkin gourds while others are round and some are tall.
  
most of my gigs are lying down, im holding a couple up here to show the size.
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Re: DUTCH COMMERCIAL POPPY CULTIVATION, a pictorial [Re: Mitchnast]
#4489188 - 08/03/05 09:06 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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can someone determine a poppy species, if I post a picture here?
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Re: Poppies - from Poppyseed to Opium [Re: Mitchnast]
#4489837 - 08/03/05 11:54 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mitchnast said:
ok let me see if i got this right, like would it work.
, you puree frozen, seedless, dry pods in ice old water,
then let sit for hours in the fridge, disolving morphine,
then you decant the liquid out, and allow the liquid to freze.
then remove ie rystals with a seive, and repeat a few times untill muh water has been sooped away.
then you put the remaining alkaloid rich liquid into a tray, and then reduce at about 70c untill all that is left is dry residue.
and bingo thats good stong-ass opium?
is that it in a nuthell, or am i missing something obvious/
Yea that seems to be it in a nutshell. I did some research after reading about this and it seems to be the best way to get a very pure poppy tea. But what I couldnt find were any "smoke" reports. I dont personaly like the whole day(or 2) getting thrown away drinking poppy tea. But a nice small smoke shure is nice on a friday afternoon. Anyone have experiance smoking "opium" that was Not gathered by cutting the pods? Either acid base extraction or the meathod meantioned?
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Re: Poppies - from Poppyseed to Opium [Re: Legoulash]
#4494874 - 08/04/05 11:06 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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an old post from shaganoz for smokables, the naphta is useless, follow second recipe
I took 5 dried pods, grinded them up to powder
Put the powder in a pot
Added 2 cups of water
added 1/2 cup vinegar
Heatet it until it started to boil, turned down heat so it simmered for 10 minutes, stirred alot the whole time
Turned off the oven and let the solution steep for 20 minutes
Strained the solution with a strainer into a mug to get rid of plant rests (squeeze all juice out of the plant rests inside a t-short or some cloth)
Filtered the solution through a fine grade filter (something like coffe filter) to get rid of more plant materials/sludge
Added ammonia to the solution until you see a precipitate form in the clear filtered solution, add until it doesnt get cloudier anymore.
Filter through a VERY fine filter, i used one from a "Bubble Bag" set.
The crystalized alkaloids (morphine etc) will be left in the filter as a sludge, pour some clean water over it while in the filter to wash it and get rid of ammonia etc.
Then I poured some naphta over it to convert it into hcl salt (smokeable) and let it dry for a while, scraped off the stuff with a credit card and dried it a bit more before I smoked it.
After you add the ammonia you may heat the solution to boiling point and turn off heat and the alkaloid crystals will coagulate a bit and settle down on bottom. Makes it a bit easier to filter and get rid of liquid and keep the alkaloid crystal sludge.
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Re: Poppies - from Poppyseed to Opium [Re: namaste]
#4498098 - 08/04/05 11:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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seems harder and requireing of more additives than simply steeping in cold water, pressing, filtering, then re seeping mush, pressing and filtering again, adding filtrates together,
half-freezing and removing ice 3 or 4 times,
and then reducing syrup in the oven on a tray at 150f
ive now seen that meathod repeatiadly turn out a consistantly powerful black tar when FOAF did it.
the first bulk water, after filtering/combining and before freezing, is an opaque brown tonic.
best results seem to be with 3-4 parts water to 1 part pod flour. this swells up to a semi-liquid paste, about 3 and a half parts of the water can be pressed out, by logic, an additional steep will aquire 7 8ths of what was missed in the first extract. this makes for a more diluted first tonic, but the water is all removable by freezng/seiving and drying anyway.
so basically as long as you have a big enough container, dont worry about using alot of water.
freeze and seive as many times as it takes to get the liquid to fit in your pan.
if somebody has alot of spare pods to grind try this, i can gaurentee they wont regret it.
also im totally starting to frown upon usage of boiling.
all that heat is totally killing off a good chunk of the morphine. not to mention disoving fats and sugars.
foaf has used hot water (shy of boiling) instead of cold, and heat reduction instead of ice-o-lateing.
this results in a far lighter more putty-like and notably weaker product than that from the meathod above.
if people are afraid to take a chance on cold water, try it and keep the grind. If you dont think you're getting your goodies out withought the heat, you can always put heat to the grinds and try a separate extraction after you did the cold one.
it is really as simple as ive said in the top paragraph.
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Re: Poppies - from Poppyseed to Opium [Re: Mitchnast]
#4498178 - 08/04/05 11:48 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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these are the giganthemums some are racketball size but most are stunted from being over crowded or in the shade. i put the ornamentals in the good spots, the gigs pretty much all toppled over.
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Re: Poppies - from Poppyseed to Opium [Re: Mitchnast]
#4498742 - 08/05/05 01:36 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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So, as a proponent of the iceolation method and as the proprietor of an ungodly goodly amount of poppy plants, what are you going to do with all that foliage (or what do you cautiously speculate distant acquaintances might do)? I've been waiting for quite a while for someone to try salvaging leaf opium (it is opium indeed, because the alkaloid mix is the same as the latex, in contrast to roots).
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Re: Poppies - from Poppyseed to Opium [Re: stvip]
#4499360 - 08/05/05 09:12 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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i like to think the ammount is QUITE godly 
cant contribute to the production of schedule 1 narcotics tho.
heads that dry well are added to floral arrangements, left over foliage and matter is compost.
in fact i just dumped out a bucketfull of poppy matter into the compost yesterday. 
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Can someone tell me if this is somf. and if it should contain any active components:
Thanks a lot. (sorry if I piced the wrong thread)
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Those are nice pics of Somniferums. So yes, they are the right kind.
As to active components, no one can tell from a photo. But i would be surprised if it is devoid of activity.
It is like the English say:
The proof of pod is in the eating... 
But that would be very dangerous of cause, with all those highly addictive alkaloids. Take care.
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Re: poppy pics [Re: DeQuincy]
#4503194 - 08/06/05 03:17 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok, what is wrong then ... ? for two years I have been experiencing with them with zero effects.
last year I collected opium and smoked it - nothing. this year I was smarter, collected the pods and made tea. tried first with 5 big ones. nothing. then crushed all 20 (smaller ones) into one tea, nothing.
how is it possible that the potency is that low if this is real somniferum. I have been taking tramadol for a year but hardly my opiat tolerance is that high.
You wouldnt suprise if it is devoid of activity? Why? How to improve this situation for the next year?
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you say you "crush' into tea?
did you mean to say 'grind'?
because you pretty much gotta grind them to dust.
i also find tea to be rather weak as is concentration helps.
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yes, grind of course. tried even evaporating the water after making the tea and I was left with a spoonful of sticky stuff.
smoked it and all I got was irritated lungs.
can the growing enviroment (a normal garden) be so hostile that no morphine content is developed? how to improve it? what else to try instead of simple tea? although I am quite sure that there is no alkloid content in them and I was sure that it must have been something else than somniferum.
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Muid, this is strange.
Maybe you boiled you tea. At high temps, above 85 centigrade, morphine starts to be destroyed. A quick boil should be no problem.
You might have a Tasmanian Thebaine strain, which doesn't contain M. But these T-strains are relative rare and are only grown in Tasmania.
Do you know the origin of the seeds?
Growing conditions are important for M-production. Pods grown in the shade for example are less potent. Rain after the they have bloomed is bad.
You might want to try making a "slush poppy". That way nothing of your pods is lost.
All needed is a blender and some tasty ingredients. My neighbor uses 3 to 5 fresh pods (she has a small habit), a banana, some milk, two ice cubes and lemonade syrup.
Cut the pods open and shake out the immature seeds. Best to have no seeds in the slush. If your have a industrial type of blender, you can leave the crowns and knobs in the mix, but my neighbors isn't strong enough for this so she leaves them out.
Make to taste with some sugar and enjoy.
Success.
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