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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phred]
    #4485681 - 08/02/05 02:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why is this ridiculous thread not tucked away in the Drug War Arena? I thought that was kinda the purpose of that sub-forum, so we don't have threads like this in the politics forum.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4485686 - 08/02/05 02:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sheesh, look at your poll results. NO ONE takes you seriously. And what happened to Rono's rule of not posting insanely long articles without comment in the middle of threads?


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Hanky]
    #4488519 - 08/03/05 02:22 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I voted yes, but only because I like to laugh at Americans getting sent to jail for minor crimes.




Do you laugh at tyrany in other nations, or just in the United States?

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Ravus]
    #4488537 - 08/03/05 02:29 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd rather support Islam than Christianity, which in my opinion has done much more harm to life as a whole, so count me in on supporting the War on Drugs.

And it's ridiculous to say that if allowed easy access to cheap, pure hard drugs, people will stop doing them. If the War on Drugs ended, people would still do hard drugs, perhaps even more now that they wouldn't have to worry about penalties from the government.




It is ridiculous to support Islam, even if you can argue that their are problems with Christianity or any other religions. You will find that muslims can only defend islam by attacking Judaism, Christianity, and other religions despite the fact that Islam is the greater of any evil you measure it against. Mohammad was a rapist, kidnapper, pedophile, sadist, and murder.

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Redstorm]
    #4488547 - 08/03/05 02:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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In the past, Christianity has done far more damage than Islam.

Christianity has continued to be non-accepting to other faiths, while until recently Islam respected all "People of the Book" and allowed them their religion and personal freedoms.


Plus when you add things such as the witch-hunts, the Crusades, and the massacres that went on in Spain during the Christian Revival, I believe Christianity has done much more damage.

Don't count this as a baseless imflammatory attack on Christians, though. I am one myself.




As long as the muslims loot and raid the kafirs(non believers of Islam), it is completely justified. Ghazzua is an Arabic word for raid as well as killing and enslaving the kafirs. From this word the term Ghazi is derived which means honourable warrior of Islam who has killed many kafirs.

The distribution of the loot or booty, which includes the men, women and children, is done as prescribed by the well defined regulations stated in the Quran and the hadiths. Four fifths of the loot is to be shared by the barbaric, lecherous invaders who took part in the heinous plunderings while one fifth is reserved for the great Prophet or the Caliph and in their absence to the mullah who is in charge.

Such loots and raids were considered shameful acts in Pre-Islamic Arabia. But Mohammed revealed to his followers that since he was the last prophet for all time to come such raids were now sanctioned by Allah. Thus he legalised these inhuman acts of raid, plunder, loot and rape.

Let us closely examine the pattern that these barbaric invaders followed all over the world. This pattern is written down in the Quran; practised, perfected and prescribed by the prophet in his own life time and closely followed by the Caliphs later. Even in present time, this pattern is followed by all Muslim leaders who aspire for name and fame in this life and houris (beautiful virgin women) hereafter.

The pattern is:



Invade the lands of the infidels.

Massacre as many infidel men, women and children as they like after winning a victory

Capture the survivors as slaves and confine the women in their harems as slave girls

Plunder every place and person for war, booty, a fifth of which (including the slaves) went to the Caliph or some other religious heads.

Demolish the places of worship of the infidels and build mosques in their places.

Defile and desecrate the deities and other symbols of the infidels' religion by throwing them into public squares or making into steps leading to the prayer area of the Muslims.

Let us again start with His Holiness Mohammed himself. In 627 A.D he raided the Jewish tribe of Qurayza. The Jews were defeated in the fight and many prisoners were taken. They were either sold or assassinated in the name of merciful Allah. In one place alone, approximately 800 Jews were beheaded in cold blood. In 629 A.D after the battle of Khaybar, and the defeat of the Jews, the same play was enacted. All the Jews were put to the sword. The raids undertaken by the prophet and methods followed became the guidelines for the Caliphs and other leaders who followed him.

Caliph Umar I
The reign of terror by caliph Umar still horrifies the present day Iranians. They dress themselves up in festive clothing on the death anniversary of this caliph, even to this day. Caliph Umar who was also one of the many father-in-laws of Mohammed, attained leadership of Islam two years after Mohammed's death. His reign of terror rocked Iran, Irag, Egypt and Syria. His most dastardly deed was the destruction of the great library in Alexandria. His order to Amir Amron ibn al-Ass (rightly named) is preserved as follows:

"As for the books you mentioned here is my reply. If their content is in accordance with the book of Allah, we may do without them, for in that case the book of Allah more than sufficies. If on the other hand, they contain matter not in accordance with the book of Allah, there can be no need to preserve them. Proceed then and destroy them."

Such brilliance and such logic can only be found in the followers of all merciful Allah.

The 700,000 scrolls, some of them works a thousand or more years old, many on Mathematics, science and philosophy were destroyed. Ibn al-Kifti wrote that, "it took 6 months to burn all that mass of material."

Where Alexandria lost only one of its precious libraries, India lost millions of books on Mathematics, Astronomy, Philosophy and other Sciences of the Vedic and Buddhist periods. For example, the famous Sanskrit college of Vishaldev in the capital of Gujrat was destroyed by the eunuch Qutubuddin Aibak in the year 1196 A.D. The famous Buddist university of Nalanda had the same fate in the year 1200 A.D. when Mohammed Bakhtiyar Khilji attacked the township and massacared the harmless Buddist monks and violated the nuns. In recent years, the Pakistani Muslim army attacked the then East Pakistan (now Bangladesh). 3,000,000 Bengali Hindus were brutally murdered.The first attack was on Dhaka University. The women students were not spared. They were raped and murdered mercilessly.

Khair Ed-Din
In 1516, the Emir of Algiers, Selim Bin Teumin, weary of Spanish interference sought the aid of Khair Ed-din, a Turkish sea robber and one of the Barbarossa brothers. Another brother, Arouj had the Emir assassinated. Khair Ed-Din was named as Viceroy by Selim I, Sultan of Turkey.

Khair laid siege to the spanish fortress on the island of Penon and wrested it from Christian hands. Martin Vagas, the Spanish commander was given the choice between death or conversion to Islam. He chose the former, whereupon he was flogged to death, his deadbody dragged through the street, cut into pieces and thrown into the sea. With the help of Khair Ed-Din the muslim pirates were secure in Algiers for three centuries. Ten percent of the booty went to the Bey of the day. The captives of the Barbary corsairs were able to ransom themselves if they had money and many were freed on accepting Islam. The others were sold like cattle at an auction and many died from fever, starvation or the lash. Women, however were taken into harems as concubines of their captors.

One story recorded by a Spanish monk, Haedo, of the sixteenth century concerns a young Arab. He had been captured by the Spanish, had embaraced Christianty and been baptized as Geronimo. He was recaptured in 1569 by the Barbary pirates and taken to Algiers. When threats and pleadings failed to make him apostate back to Islam, Geronimo was condemned to death. Bound hand and foot, he was thrown into a mould in which a block of concrete was about to be made and the liquid concrete poured in upon him. The block containing his body was built into the FORT OF THE TWENTY FOUR HOURS in Algiers.

Bricking up human beings is a common punishment as prescribed by the Quran. In India, the children of the Sikh Gurus were bricked up because they did not accept Islam. Akbar, the Moughal emperor jealous of his son's affair with Anarkali had her bricked up as well.

Piali Pasha
In 1560 a Turkish squadron under Piali Pasha and the corsair Dargut annihilated the Spanish fleet at Tunisia and took the Spanish fort of Djerba. All 5000 prisoners were massacred and a huge mound of bones six meters high was formed. The mound was called Skull Fort and was in existence for nearly 3 centuries.

Abdul Hamid II
In 1894, the sultan of the Ottoman empire Abdul Hamid reacted violently against the Armenian Nationalists living in Eastern Turkey. In Sasun, the Armenians refused to accept a 100 percent increase in rents. 3000 rebels were killed, women raped and mutilated and babies bashed against rocks. The pogrom spread: in Trebizond a 1000 odd Armenians were killed, in Arabkir 2800, in Urfa 8000, plus 3000 burnt alive in a Cathedral where they hoped they would be safe. In August 1896, bands of Turks patrolled the streets of Constantinople killing over 5000 Armenians. In All, the total toll from 1894 to 1896 is estimated at 100,000 non combatants killed, 50,000 dead from starvation, 40,000 forcibly converted to Islam and 100,000 driven into exile.

Fahri Koroturk
Fahri Koroturk was the right wing Muslim President of Turkey and commander of the armed forces when the decision was made to invade Cyprus. The number of Turks on the Island was about 150,000 while 503,000 were Greek. At 5 A.M, Saturday 20th July 1974 The Turkish army, Navy and airforce attacked Cyprus. Turkey used weapons given to it by the United States and NATO, employing the Quranic injunctions to accept help from the infidels but to remember that Jihad is the ultimate aim.

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Tao]
    #4488550 - 08/03/05 02:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Sheesh, look at your poll results. NO ONE takes you seriously. And what happened to Rono's rule of not posting insanely long articles without comment in the middle of threads?




Look agian, and why dont you try READING the article before you cry about it.

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4488551 - 08/03/05 02:39 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

My poll has been moved to the drug war arena!

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4488967 - 08/03/05 08:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Which one?!? You posted about 20 freaking articles which ruins any thread you post in.

Obviously no one here actually supports the war on drugs, why don't you try doing this whole schtick somewhere else instead of preaching to the fucking choir!


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Tao]
    #4490870 - 08/03/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I support the war on drugs.





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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4490973 - 08/03/05 05:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

"The myth of moderate Islam" (Patrick Sookhdeo, The Spectator, from the 2005/07/30 issue)
"So the mantra ?Islam is peace? is almost 1,400 years out of date. It was only for about 13 years that Islam was peace and nothing but peace. From 622 onwards it became increasingly aggressive, albeit with periods of peaceful co-existence, particularly in the colonial period, when the theology of war was not dominant. For today?s radical Muslims ? just as for the mediaeval jurists who developed classical Islam ? it would be truer to say ?Islam is war?.":
"The funeral of British suicide bomber Shehzad Tanweer was held in absentia in his family?s ancestral village, near Lahore, Pakistan. Thousands of people attended, as they did again the following day when a qul ceremony was held for Tanweer. During qul, the Koran is recited to speed the deceased?s journey to paradise, though in Tanweer?s case this was hardly necessary. Being a shahid (martyr), he is deemed to have gone straight to paradise. The 22-year-old from Leeds, whose bomb at Aldgate station killed seven people, was hailed by the crowd as ?a hero of Islam?. ...
Could it be that the young men who committed suicide were neither on the fringes of Muslim society in Britain, nor following an eccentric and extremist interpretation of their faith, but rather that they came from the very core of the Muslim community and were motivated by a mainstream interpretation of Islam?
The Muslim community now inhabits principally the urban centres of England as well as some parts of Scotland and Wales. It forms a spine running down the centre of England from Bradford to London, with ribs extending east and west. It is said that within 10 to 15 years most British cities in these areas will have Muslim-majority populations, and will be under local Islamic political control, with the Muslim community living under Sharia. ...
It is worth noting that many conflicts around the world are not internal to the Muslim community but external, as Muslims seek to gain territorial control, for example, in south Thailand, the southern Philippines, Kashmir, Chechnya and Palestine. Is it possible that a conflict of this nature could occur in Britain?" (See also: "Doublespeak Unveiled: Muslim ?moderates? are true to spirit of Islam" (Bruce Thorton, Private Papers, 2005/07/26))

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4491067 - 08/03/05 05:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

"Criticism of suicide bombers censored at the UN" (IHEU/Dhimmi Watch, 2005/07/26)
A press release from the International Humanist and Ethical Union:
"IHEU today attempted to call on the United Nations to condemn
killing in the name of religion, but were prevented from doing so by the heavy-handed intervention of Islamic representatives. The IHEU call, at today's meeting of the UN Sub-Commission on Human Rights in Geneva, follows moves by Islamic clerics to legitimise the current wave of terror attacks. ...
The Islamic members of the Sub-Commission objected to the speech as an attack on Islam. The text however is a report on recent critical comment on Islamist extremism by a number of notable Muslim writers and is a call to the UN Human Rights Commission by the NGOs "to condemn calls to kill, to terrorise or to use violence in the name of God or any religion".
The text referred to recent decisions by high-ranking Muslim clerics
confirming that those who carry out suicide bombings cannot be treated as apostates and remain Muslims(1), a fatwa by a Saudi cleric that innocent Britons were a legitimate target for terrorist action(2), and remarks by Yusuf al-Qaradawi, dean of the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Qatar University who has visited Britain, that terror attacks are permissible."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007381.php

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4491588 - 08/03/05 07:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Mohammad was a rapist, kidnapper, pedophile, sadist, and murder.

You can find plenty of evil shit in the bible as well, as has been pointed out.

The fact that the vast majority of muslims disagree with those kinds of actions kind of invalidates the idea that the whole religion is evil.

It's not the religion itself that created violence, it's a whole whack of political, economic, and social factors.

Some people simply have trouble understanding things, and try to oversimplify everything. Like "terrorists are evil because islam is evil". That's just a really, really, really dumbed down way of looking at the whole thing. It works well for people who can't handle opening a history book, but those people don't need to be involved in any kind of discussion because they lack the ability to provide any valid insight.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4491811 - 08/03/05 08:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Mohammed revealed to his followers that since he was the last prophet for all time to come such raids were now sanctioned by Allah. Thus he legalised these inhuman acts of raid, plunder, loot and rape.

Let us closely examine the pattern that these barbaric invaders followed all over the world. This pattern is written down in the Quran; practised, perfected and prescribed by the prophet in his own life time and closely followed by the Caliphs later. Even in present time, this pattern is followed by all Muslim leaders who aspire for name and fame in this life and houris (beautiful virgin women) hereafter.

The pattern is:



Invade the lands of the infidels.

Massacre as many infidel men, women and children as they like after winning a victory

Capture the survivors as slaves and confine the women in their harems as slave girls

Plunder every place and person for war, booty, a fifth of which (including the slaves) went to the Caliph or some other religious heads.

Demolish the places of worship of the infidels and build mosques in their places.

Defile and desecrate the deities and other symbols of the infidels' religion by throwing them into public squares or making into steps leading to the prayer area of the Muslims.

Let us again start with His Holiness Mohammed himself. In 627 A.D he raided the Jewish tribe of Qurayza. The Jews were defeated in the fight and many prisoners were taken. They were either sold or assassinated in the name of merciful Allah. In one place alone, approximately 800 Jews were beheaded in cold blood. In 629 A.D after the battle of Khaybar, and the defeat of the Jews, the same play was enacted. All the Jews were put to the sword. The raids undertaken by the prophet and methods followed became the guidelines for the Caliphs and other leaders who followed him.

Caliph Umar I
The reign of terror by caliph Umar still horrifies the present day Iranians. They dress themselves up in festive clothing on the death anniversary of this caliph, even to this day. Caliph Umar who was also one of the many father-in-laws of Mohammed, attained leadership of Islam two years after Mohammed's death. His reign of terror rocked Iran, Irag, Egypt and Syria. His most dastardly deed was the destruction of the great library in Alexandria. His order to Amir Amron ibn al-Ass (rightly named) is preserved as follows:

"As for the books you mentioned here is my reply. If their content is in accordance with the book of Allah, we may do without them, for in that case the book of Allah more than sufficies. If on the other hand, they contain matter not in accordance with the book of Allah, there can be no need to preserve them. Proceed then and destroy them."

Such brilliance and such logic can only be found in the followers of all merciful Allah.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11613

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4491919 - 08/03/05 08:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

VIII/65: "O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred stedfast they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence."

The above verse is self explanatory. It clearly orders the Muslim to kill the non believers. It also clearly says that anyone who doesn't believe in Islam has no intelligence!

VIII/67-69: "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise. Had it not been for the ordinance of Allah which had gone before, an awful doom had come upon you on account of what ye took. Now enjoy what ye have won, as lawful and good, and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Here Allah is clearly instructing the Prophet that hold no prisoners, kill them all as they are criminals for not believing in Allah. The Prophet must do these deeds because Allah desires that the muslims enjoy the Houris and young boys in Jannat (Heaven). The above verses were revealed when the prophet had decided to spare the lives of the prisoners taken at Badr and hold them to ransom, against the wish of Umar who would have executed them for their past crime. The prophet took the verses as a reproof, and they are generally understood to mean that no mercy ought to have been given in that first battle. Such is the nature of the all merciful Allah !!

VIII/73: And those who disbelieve are protectors one of another. -If ye do not so, there will be confusion in the land, and great corruption."

VIII/12: "When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then maim them in every limb and smite of them each finger."

The above verse clearly depicts how Allah prescribes the Muslims to torture and kill.

IX/5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

This verse clealry says that Muslims should try to convert non-muslims forcibly. If they are unable to do so, then they should either kill the kafirs or make their lives miserable.

IX/73: "Oh Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."

LXIX/30-37: "(It will be said): Take him and fetter him and then expose him to hell-fire And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is 70 cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in allah the Tremendous, And urged not on the feeding of the wretched, Therefore hath he no lover here this day, Nor any food save filth Which none but sinners eat."

This verse describes the recipe for torture as revealed by Allah. This recipe was applied in India when the Sikh Gurus were murdered. It was also applied elsewhere in the world as I have mentioned above in this article.

V/33-34: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, merciful."

This verse gives Muslims another recipe for torture. Here Allah has taken care of the details in the procedure.

XXII/19-22: "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concering their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

Yet another recipe for torture !! Need I say more ?

LXXVI/4: "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers manacles and carcans and a raging fire."

Quotes From The Hadiths:
Sahih Al Bukhari, 216:"I have been ordered to fight against people until they testify that there is no God but Allah & that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah & until he performs the prayers & pays the Zakat."

The quote above clearly states that Allah has ordered the Prophet to torture the Kafirs until they submit to Islam. And by ordering Muhammad he is ordering each and every muslim to do so as Mohammed is the true model which every muslim must strive for.

Sahih Muslim, 217: "Verily Allah has prescribed proficiency in all things. Thus if you kill, KILL WELL, & if you slaughter, SLAUGHTER WELL. Let each one of you sharpen his blade."

Need I explain the above quote??

The above Quranic verses and quotes from Hadiths have clearly shown us once again that Islam is a religion for mindless, empty headed barbarians who are interested in nothing but money,power,sex & destruction. What I am trying to get across here is that the foundation of Islam (Quran itself) was deviously brought into existence by Mohammed and company, so that heinous acts like rape, plunder, loot, toruture, and murder are justifiable. One sees evidence of this not only in History, but in present time as well.

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4492040 - 08/03/05 09:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Mohammad was a rapist, kidnapper, pedophile, sadist, and murder.

You can find plenty of evil shit in the bible as well, as has been pointed out.

The fact that the vast majority of muslims disagree with those kinds of actions kind of invalidates the idea that the whole religion is evil.

It's not the religion itself that created violence, it's a whole whack of political, economic, and social factors.

Some people simply have trouble understanding things, and try to oversimplify everything. Like "terrorists are evil because islam is evil". That's just a really, really, really dumbed down way of looking at the whole thing. It works well for people who can't handle opening a history book, but those people don't need to be involved in any kind of discussion because they lack the ability to provide any valid insight.




If rape, murder, torture, and kidnapping is not evil what is? As always, muslim apologists respond by attacking the bible, does the bible tell you to rape and torture people, where is this "evil shit in the bible", and even if there was evil in the bible how does that excuse the actions of Muhammad?

"The fact that the vast majority of muslims disagree with those kinds of actions kind of invalidates the idea that the whole religion is evil."

If they disagree with those kinds of actions why would they follow a cult leader that commits such atrocities? The koran justifies rape, torture, kidnapping and murder. Show me where any other religion does this. Even if there was another religion that was as evil as Islam, that would by no means justify killing and torture in the name of Islam. If you don't show me the "evil shit in the bible" that you were talking about, why should I believe anything you say?

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492444 - 08/03/05 10:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

Read.


Even if there was another religion that was as evil as Islam, that would by no means justify killing and torture in the name of Islam.

Nobody ever said it does. What's the point of arguing against something nobody believes? Where's an example of someone claiming that murder in the name of Islam is okay?

Just because some people believe that Islam justifies murder, doesn't mean that all Muslims believe that. Have you ever even spoken to a Muslim?

If someone is a Muslim, yet they don't believe in murder or rape, is that wrong? Is it evil? Of course not. People have different interpretations of religions because religions are all stupid anyways.

However, claiming that by adhering to a certain religion, you are just as morally wrong as the worst people who adhere to that religion, regardless of your beliefs is even stupider.

Thinking that someone is doing something wrong for being a Muslim, even if they think that murder and rape are wrong, is completely against the principles of a free society. If you want to regulate what people are allowed to believe, then go start your own oppressive country.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492530 - 08/03/05 10:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

A religion is dictated by the beliefs of its followers, not every little thing written in its scriptures. Those things are contradictory and long winded, and pretty much every religious person ignores or reinterprets certain parts of their scripture to adjust to things they believe.

MANY Muslims have reinterpreted the Quran in a nonviolent manner. You're basically just repeating shit that they have reinterpreted, or ignored, and claiming that they belief in that stuff, when they don't.

You can't just pretend that the Muslims that don't believe in that stuff don't matter, because they do.

Their beliefs are dictated by what they believe in... if they don't believe something, they don't believe it, whether its in the Quran or not. This isn't exactly rocket science.


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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: Phluck]
    #4492542 - 08/03/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I do not want to use the legal system to attack Islam, I use facts to attack Islam. If you want an example of someone claiming that murder in the name of Islam is OK try Bin Laden. If you are a muslim, you take the Koran as fact, and a basis for law.

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Re: Do you support the war on drugs? [Re: LSDempire]
    #4492606 - 08/03/05 10:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not saying that there are no Muslims using the Quran to justify violence. I'm saying most don't.

Whether or not the religion is irrational doesn't matter. All relgions are irrational.

Claiming that all Muslims use the Quran to condone violence is just making shit up to justify your bigotry. It's not even remotely true, and anyone with even the slightest ability to use Google can find many examples of Muslims condemning violence.

Do you think that all Muslims believe that violence should be used against non-believers?

If so, who are these people?
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php


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