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A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card
    #4469030 - 07/29/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

hi all, i know that this is a bit off topic, but tplease bear with me.
We are going to be promoting at Hempfest in seattle in late august, right before the big cyan season up there.

i know that there are some very deadly lookalikes, if memory serves me correctly i think that galerina autumnulos (sp) is the big look alike.

i brought up the idea to the admins and i would like to get some info on the lookalikes and perhaps an Identification guide so that we can help save some lives! and keep those lookalikes in the ground where they wont do any harm


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4469298 - 07/29/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

As a local can I please PLEASE express some legitimate concern?

I pick these specimens every year, and every year the local law learns more and more about them-- the extreme of which can be felt down by the SW coast for Azures.

Have you ever been to Hempfest? It is PRIMARILY high school kids--*****under 18***** and also FULL OF COPS-- the people who DO NOT need to learn about websites teaching high school kids how to pick mushrooms around the city.

Please think about these points, they are to be taken VERY seriously--the Seattle community is MY HOME and I'll be damned if this website f*cks up my local picking


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Psilygirl]
    #4469347 - 07/29/05 01:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

how long did it take for dancesafe to become respected? how many lives have they saved? do the math. i don't think something with shroomery.org printed on it should be distributed publicaly, but lookalike awareness needs to be promoted. i've met too damned many kids willing to eat anything they find that they think is a psilocybe who don't even know what a spore print is and expect the mushroom to bruise purple. it is an absolute worder peole don't die more often and Galerina deaths will hasten the crackdown far faster than a publication promoting safety.

the way i see things is that something like this should not say shroomery, but certainly should be done.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: canid]
    #4469371 - 07/29/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

but things like this DO exist!

They exist in ALL field guides!! Even Paul Stamets popular "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World"

The info is even ON THIS SITE!

You will never be able to stop someone who doesnt seek the proper info from pickign the wrong thing.

The only thing these "cards" will cause is more kids picking and more cops knowing about it.

The issue here is that Hempfest is high school kids as the MAJORITY and TONS of cops... think about it... please.... this affects me personally and my community and I think it's a poor idea to affect local Seattle pickers.... please consider us and our opinions, please.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Psilygirl]
    #4469463 - 07/29/05 02:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i'm sorry to disagree, but i feel that even the 15 year old kid who wants to pick mushrooms should have the best access to the tools that could save his life as may be.

the cops know about this site. we have a no minors policy for a reason, but if someone is willing to risk handing out unaffiliated information cards to people who might otherwise not get the information, i would have to be in support.

what is the alternative? PMOTW is a great publication, but how many newbs who first come here have ever heard of it? this site is an outstandingly great resource, but how many prospective new mushroom hunters know about us? there are and will always be those who don't. i'm sure you'll even agree that minors without enough common sense not to do something stupid even knowing about this site is a liability.

i understand the issues attending public awareness about psilocybian mushroom hunting. i understand the problem with the increase in both numbers of hunters and people busted eacdh year. this issue is one that promotes responsibility. it will draw attention, but less so than some kid dying. we can't keep everyone from being ignorant, but i think we *must* be seen to be trying.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4469510 - 07/29/05 02:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone picking azurescens will tell you that in the last couple years not only have officials come to recognize mushroom picking but actively try and enforce the laws against it. It has become a serious issue for anyone picking. The state parks in November and December, when noone is camping from 35* weather, bring in extra rangers from slower regions of the state to catch pickers. There are typically 4 or 5 rangers patrolling the small area with nothing to do all day but look for pickers.
I have never mentioned this because I didn't really want to reveal anything about myself but last season I was arrested with a friend for picking Azures. A little about us.. He is in his early 40's and I am in my mid 20's niether one of us look anything like typical* mushroom pickers, my girlfriend makes fun of me for looking like a frat boy. Niether one of us were doing anything suspicious at the moment, just walking, we were actually done for the day. But they confronted us anyways - why else would anyone be in 35* weather is there reaction. It is bad, I have seen them confront moms with their children and ask to search their bags. We were fortunate/smart enough to be able to not have anything illegal on us but they still had us handcuffed for an hour and a half while the other three rangers scoured the park looking for some kind of evidence. While we were handcuffed one ranger was continually questioning us trying to get us to say something and while he was doing this he asked if "we were from one of those shroom websites."

I feel fortunate enough to live in an area where the mushroom scene is low-key and I feel safe picking in public without having to look over my shoulder all the time. Hempfest is full of police just wandering around. If you want to advertise for the website, so be it, but when you are advertising Seattle's mushroom scene, advertising to cops where to look for hunters, when to look for hunters, what they'll be doing and what they'll be picking because this is all information that would be on your flier, I can't help but think THIS IS CRAZY!
I would really appreciate not having this scene destroyed as it has elsewhere. Yes, this information is all public and can be found easily but do we really need to package it up with a pretty pink bow and hand it over?

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: @cro]
    #4469544 - 07/29/05 02:27 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

does anyone else even see that the act of harvesting natural resources from an national or state park wher it is ilegal to do so even with legal resources in the first place is a contributing factor to this increased awareness in our activities? i don't' harvest *any* resources from the parks system where it is prohibited, i hunt on public lands that are not subject to such strict resource conservation and i now have no trouble with the rangers.

when i hunt unrestricted public lands in the fall, i'm hunting edibles aswell. i usualy have a pack full of my collections with me, can explain to a cop what they are, thier cullinary value and sometimes even get them interested. this reenforces the cop's notion that there are many reasons to be out, even many reasons to be picking mushrooms and that to assume someone is doing something wrong right off the bat is foolish. if the same where to happen in a state park, i'd still be breaking the law collecting my edibles and i wouold be reenforcing the rangers' impression that people don't respect the parks system and it's rules.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: canid]
    #4469591 - 07/29/05 02:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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i'm sorry to disagree, but i feel that even the 15 year old kid who wants to pick mushrooms should have the best access to the tools that could save his life as may be.




And you're going to get this from a flyer?
If anything my guess is it will lead to a false sense of security. They'll think they know what they're doing and become what you're trying to prevent.

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this issue is one that promotes responsibility. it will draw attention, but less so than some kid dying. we can't keep everyone from being ignorant, but i think we *must* be seen to be trying.




How many people have died in the last 5 years from misIding a galerina as a psilocybin mushroom? ZERO!
I can only think that this will change that.

Edited by @cro (07/29/05 02:43 PM)

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: @cro]
    #4469640 - 07/29/05 02:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

if all they are going to get is a flyer [providing it is well written and it's provisions for identifying P. syanescens are sound], then yes, i most certainly do think they have better than nothing.

the deaths, as i said are rare, but they are amazingly so when you consider how many people i have met who will and have eaten *any* mushroom that they think looks like a cyan or even anything someone tells them is a psilocybian mushroom.

the fact is that the driving force behind so many kids getting into the hobby is alive and well, and the more we can do to help them be responsible the better off they and we are.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: @cro]
    #4469675 - 07/29/05 02:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

do you have a better idea? something needs to improve. are you going to continue to try to shoot down my every oppinion or are you going to try to offer a solution? because all i'm hearing sounds like narrow minded self interest and attempts to justify views on protection of a resource for your own ends that belongs to us all.

if i'm misreading this, and i'm sure i am, then it is because i'm starting to get heated. if we are toing to shoot down this idea, we need to pull together and find one that is feasible and responsible. you want to be able to still hunt a few years from now, i want to still be able to hunt a few years from now, and i hope we all want others to be able to learn of and respect this gift that is given us all.

please forgive me for ranting.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4469769 - 07/29/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I do not want it to seem like I am attacking you personally, and @cro too.  I think that promoting safe picking is a brilliant idea!  People have been trying to do so forever-- Paul Stamets, even our own mjshroomer.  i just think doing it at Hempfest in particular is a BAD place to do it.  It's full of kids MOSTLY under 18 and TONS of cops... I just don't want the shroomery getting in trouble and I don't want the info falling into the wrong hands... since, after all, the mission of promoting is OVER 18 ONLY... correct?

I don't have any better ideas, there is alot of information out there for those who seek it, I just think it is unwise to do it at Hempfest...

Maybe something not really talking about P. cyans or Galerina's specifically could be used, maybe something like "Interested in picking mushrooms?  BE SAFE!  Try these resources!" and list the shroomery and various field guides or something.

I just hate the idea of drawing any more attention to the mushroom picking scene in Seattle than there already is, for the sake of myself and all the "old school" pickers :smile:  And i hope that concern is truly considered.  I am certain that other PNW pickers will chime in soon :tongue:


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Psilygirl]
    #4469775 - 07/29/05 03:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

agreed.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: canid]
    #4469835 - 07/29/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm really not trying to get you heated, I don't want it to be personal. I'm just disagreeing with you
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concretefeet said:
do you have a better idea? something needs to improve.




This is what I disagree with. Why does something need to be done? We don't have a problem, last I checked.
Everything is great up here for us. I'm not trying to act selfishly, quite the contrary. I think there is plenty to go around for everyone, it's a weed. I'm not trying to hide the information from people who want to hunt. I'm not trying to discourage new pickers.
What I am worried about is how this information is distributed. Have you been to Hempfest? There are cops everywhere. I just don't want this scene to turn into so many others. I don't want new pickers to have to worry about cops staking out at parks, looking for them, as it is for many areas.
Like I said, promote the site if you wish. Then the people who want to learn can. It's the same information here as what would be on the flier but it provides that extra step, so only the interested will bother.

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: @cro]
    #4469925 - 07/29/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

nothing needs to improve? there is no problem?

have you met some of the kids who are getting into picking? do you see the kind of newbs we get here even when they are at the place where all the info is at thier fingertips? have you seen the wway they hunt the coast each fall trampling the fragile dunes, flaunting thier irresponsibility in front of cops?

i don't expect you to agree with me and i don't expect you to see the same problems but i truely hope you see problems.

as you saw, i was getting unreasonable above, but i still think there are issues needing attention. as both you and psilygirl have said, hempfest is not the place i concede but i still think an unaffiliated source of information distributed via the right venue to the people who may yet become the ignorant hunters who trash the n. oregon coast or the puget sound's hunting grounds would help.

there have been many attempts to do so before and many have done much good, but there are still some things to be desired.

edit: i still think we need to be seen promoting responsibility in psilocybian mushroom hunting as much as or more than in cullinary mushroom hunting, insofar as we need to be seen at all.


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Edited by concretefeet (07/29/05 03:37 PM)

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: @cro]
    #4469957 - 07/29/05 03:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with @cro and Psilygirl...hempfest is NOT the place for this proposed education to take place. It's true, Hempfest is flooded every year by 1 - young kids (plenty of kids under 18)..and 2 - Pigs.

Now if you ask me, young teenagers and Pigs (also known as police) are two types of people that really DONT need to be seeing fliers which spark an immediate interest/concern.

The bottom line, as @cro already pointed out, is that death by gallerina consumption is simply NOT any kind of problem here in Seattle...at least to the best of my knowledge its a virtually non-existent problem.

Local police becoming more and more educated on local psilocybe shroom picking, and hence cracking down on the activity to a disturbing extent...THAT is more legitimate, serious, and scarier of a problem, i think...Good people ending up in jail for picking local actives, is a MUCH more REAL concern than the idea that there are kids dying from eating gallerinas.

..MY 2 cents

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: canid]
    #4470009 - 07/29/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I thought Seattle was the subject? That's what the flier is for.
I don't think there is a problem up here, yet. People aren't dying from misIDed mushrooms. Our habitat isn't being destroyed, for the most part. There are your occasional commercial pickers tearing up, transplanting and raping patches but I hardly see how advertising is going to help that. I agree with you it's unacceptable the way azure habitat is treated but I would think we would agree that advertising will only make this worse.

Of course, directing them to the site we can at least try and stress the importance of the habitat and proper ways of maintaining patches without destroying them.

I just feel a flier like this is akin to giving a kid keys to a car without educating them about what they're doing. Why not just direct them to the site where they can meet people and learn a lot more than what a flier can provide?

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: @cro]
    #4470043 - 07/29/05 03:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

you are right that the sound is a different situation from the N. oregon dunes, but i have been under the impression for several years that the problem was a concern there aswell.

directing people to the shroomery will not help with the initiation of many of the new hunters i meet, as they average 14-16 years old, and while i always feel the desire, i do not direct them here due to the above mentioned liability. the shroomery may be properly disclaimed but this will not stop a kid's parents from raising hell about thier kid comming here.

i'm jumping around a bit and i'm sorry, but i view the issues this thread raises to be deeply intertwined.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: canid]
    #4470097 - 07/29/05 04:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Im from the Seattle area... and I don't think its a good ideo to do it there. I think its a good idea that we increase awareness, but not at hempfest for reasons already stated. Im just glad I have my spots to pick cyans without worry.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: BigBallZMaN]
    #4470208 - 07/29/05 04:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You're right, it is beginning to be a problem.  One of my best patches last year, which was mainly covered in blackberries, was ravaged.  ALL the blackberries were literaly cut down and all vegetation protecting it was removed for better access.  It never flushed again, when there was still a few flushes left in it.

Seattle has a lot of homeless kids.  I think it may actually have the highest population in the country?  I have met a few people who, I would consider, are commercial pickers.  For the most part they are homeless kids who literally pick to feed themselves.  One even said he loves the fall, it's the season he eats like a king, I guess everything is relative.  :wink: There mentality is pick as much, as fast as you can.  Obviously, I would disagree with their methods and I tell them but that isn't a concern to them, what they're eating tonight is.  You can tell them that in the long run what they are doing is hurting themselves because these patches won't fruit again but they don't care, that isn't the concern.
There isn't much that is going to stop that (and whether we should or not is a whole other debate.) 

The people who are going to, conciously, rape patches and bring negative attention to the hobby, aren't the type of people who are going to be persuaded not to by a flier.  The most you can hope to do is keep the information from them.  The ones who accidentaly damage areas from ignorance can be set straight by talking to them or directing them here.

I think the majority of people are respectful but there is a small minority which can have huge effects and do.  I think the people who are genuinely interested in the hobby, who would do so with respect, would rather find a place like this where they can learn more than just be sent on there merry way with a flier.  The ones who just want to know how to pick mushrooms and make a buck are the ones that would rather just have the flier.  In my opinion, a flier isn't going to help this, at most it would make it worse.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: @cro]
    #4470370 - 07/29/05 05:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah some dumb kids will just be dumb kids. I know this from occasionally running into them over the course of the season. I had one particular very prominent and well flourished patch of cyans that I frequented alot last season. Well one day I stumbled upon a couple teenage boys, who had unfortunately (for me) found my patch...well of course they were just ripping every single mushroom out of the ground, raping the mycelium network...most of what they were picking were just pinners  :eek: < the look on my face upon seeing this happen.

I somehow managed to not threaten them or scare them off, but instead took the teacher's approach and mindset, tried explaining to them that its just NOT ok to pick the pinners, that its uneccessary, and just flat out disrespectful to the shroom picking community. They vaguely nodded at me...and then KEPT ON PICKING ALL THE PINNERS! ughh how completely idiotic and stubborn some folks can be. They were obviously following their own intuition, hardly giving thought at all to what i was trying to tell them.

Incidentally, when i asked them a few questions, one of them mentioned that they'd been researching info here on the shroomery.  :rolleyes:

This is a sad, but very true and telling example of kids just being thoughtless, careless kids. They had the resources for shroom picking info. its all here on the site. Im sure they'd read plenty of do's and dont's of mushroom picking...but theyre KIDS. some kids will act foolishly regardless of rules and guidelines that theyve been exposed to.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Soularize]
    #4471882 - 07/29/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

So its a BAD idea to hunt in regional parks because rangers l' get chia?!
Why doesn't anybody tell me this?I live in Seattle and was wondering if Rangers hunt FOR YOU here in Seattle?!


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Mr_Psilocin]
    #4472990 - 07/30/05 05:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Spreading the word at such a congregation is not a clever idea.

I remember my first time hunting on the coast with my father in law, flipping through his field guide at every inconsiderable mushroom I found. I became absolutely fascinated with mycology, waiting until my next paycheck so I could get a field guide of my own and a digital camera.

I set out early, spending day after day trying to locate healthy beds which had some promise to fruit. Every free minute I had I was crawling in and around shrubbery at local colleges, parks, and downtown installments. I drove for hours through the countryside looking for promising cowfields with reasonable access. I spent whole days online studying.

Autumn rolled around. It started to rain. I went out, day after day, week after week. Nothing. All dissapointment had befallen me. After it seemed impossible, I found my first P.Cyan patch, then my next, and my next, and so on. My heart was racing for a day. It was an incredible joy, I had accomplished my goal. I had put my mind to work and succeeded. I had devoted the previous 3 months 110% to it. While I could have been with my family, relaxing, sleeping, working more hours, partying, I was absorbed in mycology.

What does this story have to do with spreading knowlage about psilocybin mushrooms growing locally to the community at hempfest? It might prevent someone from having the joy I was able to have. It will flood our patches with even more uneducated teenagers looking to score some "mAgIc sHrOoMz yO", with no concern or regard to what it should really be about. There will be less avid and involved people looking to learn more about our earth and how things work. That's not what I want, I can't speak for the rest of our community, but telling the local highschoolers that magic mushrooms grow right under thier noses, and then giving them the information they need to carry out a destructive operation so they can "see some fucked up shit dude" is a wrong idea.

My two cents. I just think there are more appropriate ways to spread saftey awareness without starting a fad and attracting authority.

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4473271 - 07/30/05 10:29 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I have to agree with everyone who posted saying this is a bad idea.

the place to do something like the original idea would be at the PSMS fall mushroom show, where the people who show up are already interested/aware of mushrooms and willing to learn more about them.  but I doubt they would be down with letting someone hand out such fliers there, for many of the same reasons given above, and because it's generally more focused on edibles and common toxic species, not to mention they sell books there with all the information needed anyway.

I don't see any problem with handing out a flier promoting the shroomery and these message boards at hempfest, so that those interested can come and learn more.  but handing out fliers telling random people where, when and how to find and identify psilocybe mushrooms sounds like it can have a lot more negative consequences than positive.  as has been mentioned in this thread, I'm not aware of ANY recent record of cyan hunters in the seattle area being poisoned by eating galerinas, so it is really a non-issue.  Anyone who wants to put in some time reading and gathering information will have a successful, safe hunting experience.  I wouldn't say the same about someone who got all their info from a 5x8 black and white flier.  making a bunch of fliers with enough information and good enough pics to keep people from eating the wrong mushrooms would probably be more cash than whoever is funding this will be willing to shell out.  I definitely see a good potential for many of the wrong people to hear about our local mushrooms and how to hunt them.  If anyone is really interested in hunting psilocybes, there are many field guides and web sites (imagine that :smirk:) with clear pics and detailed descriptions of psilocybes and poisonous lookalikes out there, if people care enough to educate themselves on the subject.  if they don't, I don't think we should be encouraging them to pick wild mushrooms at all.

DH

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: spores]
    #4474185 - 07/30/05 04:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think everyone has a good point of view on this. I have run across teenagers (younger than me, Im only 19) that have destroyed beautiful patches of cyans and it makes me want to hurt them very bad.... but I don't. I learned that if I want to ensure the safety of my mushrooms patches, then I will put them where noone else can get at them. I still go elsewhere to hunt cyans and many other species of mushrooms in general, but I have my own patches of cyans and fields of liberties that noone knows about, due to the fact of who owns them, and noone else would be allowed to forage through this place without being shot. Uneducated hunters destroy our "world" if you will. I think spreading the word about the site is cool, so that anyone who is truely interested will take the initiative to study up can experience what others like ourselves do. I think that we will be successful in this area, but also be successful in arming retards and fags with information to ruin our hobby.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: spores]
    #4474662 - 07/30/05 07:39 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see any problem with handing out a flier promoting the shroomery and these message boards at hempfest, so that those interested can come and learn more. but handing out fliers telling random people where, when and how to find and identify psilocybe mushrooms sounds like it can have a lot more negative consequences than positive.




Agreed.

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: adrug]
    #4474787 - 07/30/05 08:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I would like to point out that hep mpfest is about hemp. Nopt about shrooms.

and there are already comparitive pictures of Galerinas and Psilocybe cyanescens posted here at this site and at mj's shroom world.

In the past thirty years, only a few reported instances occured of people accidently eating a poisonus mushroom over a psilocybe. The most famous case was the 16-year-old girl who picked, along with two teenage friends, specimens of galerina mushrooms thinking they were blue ringers (P. stuntzzi, P. fimetaria, P. sierrae, etc.).

There are two many differences w between the two mushrooms but a flyer is not necessary to id the differences in the species. P. cyans have a white stem which blues and galerinas do not.

P. cyannescens has no ring. Galerinas do.

Those are only a few differences.

And a shroom boot at the hempfest is cool only if it is handing out information but not specifically telling somoene how to break an existing law.

For thirty yers in this are, the police have been lax regarding mushrooms. Most never considered them to be drugs.

Even last year I again was also stopped by a secutrity guard and asked what I was doing.

parents do bnot want their kids doing drugs or shrooms for that matter. However, it is impossible to stop anyone from dioing what they want.

The point being is that you tell them both sides of the story.

Have them stick to liberty caps or blue ringers in a lawn.

That way they have less of a chance of poisoning theirselves or others.

I told one of the Shroomery members that i might spent an hour or two at the boooth answering questions, but I am not going to broadcast shroom sites for sources for mionors who should be getting an education before they should be getting an entheogenic plant substance which is more powerful then their brains.

PsillyGirl, @cro and Dh are right about their views in this matter.

And as for public places, remember it is even illegal to pick in public parks in cities. That includes flowers and leaf collecting.

Hemp is one thing, shrooms are another, and while they go good together at times, the hempfest should stick to hemp. I have already had some major problems with hempfest peopl over the selling of shroom related items at the fests and was even ask to leave one year when I went off the wall at the securtiy teenagers who told me I could not sell mushroom books at the fest, although I had the permission of both booths onthe right and left of me to put a blanket ont he ground. They even told me That I should take my donation back and leave the grounds.

So much for shroomy things.

And yes, the majority of the people who come are minors, and there are many police watching everyone.

So passing out flyers telling people how to distinguish poisonous shrooms from magic ones is not a good idea.

passing out a flyuer telling someone how to id an edible form a poisonous mushroom is a good idea, but thent he majority of people at the hempfest most likely are not interested in edible shrooms.

The safe-pik guide at erowid, shows iamges of both galerinas with P. stuntzii and with P. cyanescens.

They are also posted here in the shroomery's Ultimate shroom guide and in the mj site.

have a shroomy day,

mj

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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4477411 - 07/31/05 02:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

MJ has some very good points, as do all of us. I think his opinion has the most weight, considering his status and he actually has been at hempfest. I would really enjoy working at the booth answering any questions I could, but I think we should be open to *all* mushroom questions, but being very careful about *magic* mushrooms. So, say, if someone is asking us about it, we will not give them specific information at the time, but we can point them in the right direction for gaining the information they need to be safe, both by picking the correct mushrooms, and avoiding authorities by picking in areas where they will not be arrested, shot, etc.
We need to go about this in such a manner as to not draw attention to ourselves, and not to encourage (minors especially) people to pick magic mushrooms. Picking mushrooms in general to ID them and study them is the story we should stick to I think. We could explain different seasons, the difference in habitats between several dif species (edible or poisonous, *maybe* mentioning a psilocybe, but perhaps an inactive one?). I dont know, Im high, and rambling. I just want to be at the booth to help shroomery out. I have recieved much info from here, and met several people that I find very interesting.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Psilygirl]
    #4477841 - 07/31/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Psilygirl said:
As a local can I please PLEASE express some legitimate concern?

I pick these specimens every year, and every year the local law learns more and more about them-- the extreme of which can be felt down by the SW coast for Azures.

Have you ever been to Hempfest? It is PRIMARILY high school kids--*****under 18***** and also FULL OF COPS-- the people who DO NOT need to learn about websites teaching high school kids how to pick mushrooms around the city.

Please think about these points, they are to be taken VERY seriously--the Seattle community is MY HOME and I'll be damned if this website f*cks up my local picking





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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Psilygirl]
    #4478348 - 07/31/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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I just hate the idea of drawing any more attention to the mushroom picking scene in Seattle than there already is, for the sake of myself and all the "old school" pickers  And i hope that concern is truly considered. I am certain that other PNW pickers will chime in soon 





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PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: Roadkill]
    #4478362 - 07/31/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Roadkill said:
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I just hate the idea of drawing any more attention to the mushroom picking scene in Seattle than there already is, for the sake of myself and all the "old school" pickers  And i hope that concern is truly considered. I am certain that other PNW pickers will chime in soon 





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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: BigBallZMaN]
    #4478914 - 07/31/05 10:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

well im glad to see so many replies here, as for making the card up.... i think that we can pass on that for the moment. it does not sound like the greatest of ideas that i have had....

but feel free to chime in on this and other promotional thingies in the promo forum


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Re: A little help with the promotions, a cyan/lookalike id card [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4479313 - 07/31/05 11:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i don't have the time to read this entire thread, but i whole heartedly agree with Psilygirl and @cro.

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